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MikeIconGOLD Member
2,109 posts
Location: Philadelphia, PA - USA


Posted:
So theres a move that Ive been doing with double staves that I just translated to poi. Its still rather shloppy but I think it has some potential. Its sort of like an isolation, except youre only isolating a single axis of the poi's rotation. In other words, your poi end up moving only in a straight line rather than a circle.



The best way to get what I mean is to stand in front of a mirror spinning one poi at your side (closest to the mirror) and try to spin your poi but having it only move straight up and down. Its easiest if you let the head trace your legs in the mirror. What youre basically doing is moving your hand forward and back (the diameter of your poi's circle) so that the poi doesnt have to move on that axis.



Still havent played with it enough to find anything really interesting but Ill be sure to work on it. In the mean time, play yourselves and see what you can find!

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We'll blaze a new trail,
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linden rathenGOLD Member
6,942 posts
Location: London, UK


Posted:
sounds cool - would go and try it but i think i may need to work on gneral poiness first :P

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GlåssDIAMOND Member
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Location: Bristol, United Kingdom


Posted:
Very good idea smile
good luck with it.

PoiToi 41 posts

Posted:
hummm..
Cool idea, but it wont look much different to someone watching.... it may just look like an ellpise that's longer in the same direction you are moving your hand...

Reason is, if you move your hand at the same speed as the poi head, the poi wont be moving relative to your HAND on that axis, but it still will be moving realative to the ground and to anyone else watching.
it still might look cool, try it and see what happens! :-D

spiralx 1,376 posts
Location: London, UK


Posted:
Ah but what if each hand is doing one of these either a) parallel to each other but going the opposite direction or b) doing these perpendicular to each other. In the wall plane these might look quite nifty with fire/glow stuff...

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colemanSILVER Member
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Posted:
nice its bouncy poi with control biggrin

i never got any joy out of point isolations but these are definitely worth a go.

cheers icon.


cole. x

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i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
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MikeIconGOLD Member
2,109 posts
Location: Philadelphia, PA - USA


Posted:
Yep, bouncy poi indeed... Its hard to do this smoothly without turning it elipse but looks rather nifty when ya get it. I can usually only get like 2 - 3 revolutions straight right now. I did, however, figure out you can do this in TTN form too with your poi going up and down parallel to each other but I have yet to get this looking anywhere near good smile

Let's turn those old bridges we crossed into ashes.
We'll blaze a new trail,
and torch the rough patches.

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TheBovrilMonkeySILVER Member
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Location: High Wycombe, England


Posted:
You should speak with Simian about this - he's been playing with something that sounds similiar a bit. Mainly with staff I think, but also with poi.

Whatever he's doing with it, it makes my head hurt wink

But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.


Mr_ChutneySILVER Member
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Location: Herefordshire, England (UK)


Posted:
I seem to remember talking to Simian at Spitz about something similar- I was doing the same thing but with the motion being horizontal rather than vertical- works rather nicely smile

NYCNYC
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA


Posted:
Yet another move that will surely impress the geeks and bore the audience. wink

But good mental and physical exercise.

Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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colemanSILVER Member
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Posted:
what audience? tongue


cole. x

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NYCNYC
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Location: NYC, NY, USA


Posted:
Oh right. You're one of those LONDON spinners I've been hearing so much about. wink

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spiralx 1,376 posts
Location: London, UK


Posted:
Simian and myself to a lesser extent have been playing with squares in which the poi move around all 4 sides of a square - but the isolations required aren't linear.

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NYCNYC
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA


Posted:
Well couldn't you just move a point isolation in lines or squares or even sign your name with it?

(wonders how long it'd take before I could isolate "NYC")

wink

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colemanSILVER Member
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Posted:
point isolations for more than one beat only exist in people imaginations.

in real life it is called 'flailing' and usually involves disappointment.

squares are the holy grail.

grail rhymes with flail.

draw your own conclusions...

wink


cole. x

"i see you at 'dis cafe.
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they do porridge."
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TheBovrilMonkeySILVER Member
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Location: High Wycombe, England


Posted:
Squares? pfah, I'd be impressed if someone showed me an octagon.

Twice the sides, twice as cool I reckon wink

But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.


MikeIconGOLD Member
2,109 posts
Location: Philadelphia, PA - USA


Posted:
Isolations in squares? My squares dont require isolations, but do require anti-spin... Would like to know how you guys are doin em.

Let's turn those old bridges we crossed into ashes.
We'll blaze a new trail,
and torch the rough patches.

-Me


TheBovrilMonkeySILVER Member
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2,629 posts
Location: High Wycombe, England


Posted:
From what I've managed to get from simian, you move your hands left and right and the poi go up and down. That also requires antispin I think.

If you were using a blue glowstick on a string, and also had a red glowstick as the handle, you'd end up with a blue vertical line and a horizontal red line, which crossed over each other in the middle.

Does that sound about right?

But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.


MikeIconGOLD Member
2,109 posts
Location: Philadelphia, PA - USA


Posted:
I dunno. The one I usually do is an anti-spin split time butterfly buzzsaw flower. Theres actually a shot of Nick Woolsey doing it at around 2:15 in this video. Its not actually a perfect square but close enough smile

Let's turn those old bridges we crossed into ashes.
We'll blaze a new trail,
and torch the rough patches.

-Me


linden rathenGOLD Member
6,942 posts
Location: London, UK


Posted:
thinks stars would be the ultimate how cool would that be on film? :P

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MikeIconGOLD Member
2,109 posts
Location: Philadelphia, PA - USA


Posted:
Stars are possible actually... Not sure exactly how, I cant do them, but all it would be is some wonky timed version of an anti-spin flower.

Let's turn those old bridges we crossed into ashes.
We'll blaze a new trail,
and torch the rough patches.

-Me


linden rathenGOLD Member
6,942 posts
Location: London, UK


Posted:
oh cool will have to get much better just so i can do stars biggrin

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colemanSILVER Member
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Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay, United Kingdom


Posted:
Written by: ICoN


Isolations in squares? My squares dont require isolations, but do require anti-spin... Would like to know how you guys are doin em.




anti-spin is just isolation with bells on.

if you want a line of reasoning (first time for everything i guess), look up my pendulums thread (a search for 'post-modernist' should do it wink) and compare and contrast anti-spin technique with isolating pendula at the peaks of their swing and moving the pivot point.

ubbangel


cole. x

"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
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fire puppyBRONZE Member
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Location: washington, USA


Posted:
why stop whith 2d try cubes

the Only good way to quit smoking is to cut your arms off, but then how would you drink coffee?


colemanSILVER Member
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Posted:
Written by: coleman


squares are the holy grail.




coleman's phony grail wink


cole. x

"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood


NYCNYC
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Location: NYC, NY, USA


Posted:
Neeto.

biggrin

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MikeIconGOLD Member
2,109 posts
Location: Philadelphia, PA - USA


Posted:
That doesnt look like a square drawn with swinging poi, Cole... Is it? Or did you just trace a square holding the head?

Let's turn those old bridges we crossed into ashes.
We'll blaze a new trail,
and torch the rough patches.

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MikeIconGOLD Member
2,109 posts
Location: Philadelphia, PA - USA


Posted:
Through analysis of the photo Im thinking you stalled the green one, yanked it back up to catch the head then drew the square manually. Only an educated guess tho smile

Let's turn those old bridges we crossed into ashes.
We'll blaze a new trail,
and torch the rough patches.

-Me


RevBRONZE Member
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Posted:
now I'm not sure how cole does his.. but you can use airtraces(ie contactless traces) to make them...

traces involve pulling the poi rather than letting it go head first.. pull up stop your hand, as the head nears your hand (from momentum) pull right.. as the head nears hand, pull down.. and so forth.. the trick is that you have to go at least string length, and you have to have hella timing to get the slack out as the stick reaches hand level.. or your edges will be off...

I never put much effort into them.. but cole makes them look quite nice.. I'm jealous.. hug nice one bruva.. nice one..

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MikeIconGOLD Member
2,109 posts
Location: Philadelphia, PA - USA


Posted:
Ha, that smiley is a good one too!

Let's turn those old bridges we crossed into ashes.
We'll blaze a new trail,
and torch the rough patches.

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colemanSILVER Member
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Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay, United Kingdom


Posted:
Written by: ICoN


Through analysis of the photo Im thinking you stalled the green one, yanked it back up to catch the head then drew the square manually. Only an educated guess tho smile




shhhhhhh wink


cole. x

"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood


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