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mixinluv2umember
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Posted:
Just curious, how do you guys view glowstringing?

couple questions to focus/start off the discussion:

Is glowstringing and poi one and the same or different? If it's different then how do you define glowstringing and seperate the two?

Do glowstringers have a unique set of moves outside of traditional poi moves?

Should the difference in each tool/medium (glowstring vs sock poi vs fire poi) be emphasized? Or should all of them be spun the same way?

How do you define/develop style and originality in poi? Should the same principles of style and originality be applied to glowstringing? Or can glowstringing have their own principles and methodologies?

Are there differences in cultural background and philosophy between poi and glowstringing?

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Posted:
so who introduced glow stringing to the ravers then?

chicken and egg guys....

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Posted:
i learnt the basics of poi before i'd ever heard of juggling workshops.

i learnt from people that i went clubbing with.

most of my spinning was done either in a garden or in a club.

and the only workshop i ever visited was a workshop run for and by spinners - not jugglers.



i missed out on the drome.

it was a squat.

that was used, among other things, for parties.

'other things' included a juggling workshop.



so i'm not saying that the people i learnt from didn't go to juggling workshops and learn there.

but i didn't pick up poi from the juggling community, nor was i a part of its culture until i learnt to juggle.

i got into and progressed in poi at outdoor parties and in clubs during winter.



my poi *did* come from and grow out of 'the rave culture' i was immersed in at the time.



i too think poi in britain had many influences and for me, the london party scene was central to these influences - why would people have gone all-out to find super uv sock material if the culture was based primarily in daytime/evening juggling workshops?



parties are the real world 'home of poi' to me smile





cole. x



[edit: sounds like i'm arguing against someone's opinion here - i'm not, i'm just sorting out where i think the various elements of what i know were learnt.

before this discussion, i had forgotten how much poi i learnt away from workshops - it was most of it.

my technical understanding of poi improved by coming here and meeting old school spinners at workshops and meets.

but i was taught most of the [Old link] by people i partied and chilled out with, in our homes.]
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Posted:
That's fair enough Coleman- you've pointed out that you learnt via 'rave culture' whilst not claiming that so did everyone else.

It's no surprise to me that you didn't learn poi from juggling circles as, in the years we're talking about, there was a fair bit of prejudice against poi in juggling circles.

For the record, I definitly didn't learn poi at 'raves' or clubs- for me it was a combination of interent resources, learning from friends, and personal innovation.

Admittedly, some of those friends were involved in the club scene; nevertheless, I'll maintain that it was a minor influnce, on the grounds that they were also innovating.

IMO poi developed here primarily due to innovators, some of whom had substantial rave/club influences.

And, IMO, it's no coincidence that the huge boost in poi technology occured with the rise of the interenet- I'm confident that if the internet hadn't happened, poi would be much rarer.

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Posted:
Here's the conclusion about glowsticking / stringing from gsc

Written by:

In conclusion...
In all glowsticking has a fundamentally different outlook to its art than do other dances. We are defined by our roots in the rave culture, and thus our philosophies about style and dancing are different from other arts. That does not mean, of course, we are stuck in the rave culture, and to even define the rave culture as such is sort of a misnomer, as it is different in every nation, in every region, and even in the same city. As the music and the dance evolves, so will glowsticking and glowstickers.

We simply ask that everyone have an open mind. Thank you for respecing our culture and taking the time to read through all of this.




All of that definitely applies to poi as i've seen it grow in britain.

1999 ~ The Warp Experience, The Drome, London

I bet that 90% of spinners in the south of england could trace their poi ancestry back to that time and place or one of the many off shoots like Synergy, ID Spiral, Liquid Connective and so on. A hell of a lot of those people travel all over the place, thailand, india, austrailia ~ sure they bought back knowledge from all those places but i think that london around the turn of the millenium was a melting pot of new inovations which i'm very glad to have been a part of.

The London Rave scene has for many years been number one showcase for the most badass spinners around. I mean come on. Never heard anyone talk about badass London Style Spinners before? Hell, that's where Nick and Ally's infamous Orange poi come from.

Now obviously anything I say is my opinion only, perhaps dave you feel like you have some omnipotent opinion on these matters, just feel free to add an IMO anywhere you like.

So you personally didn't go to raves and learn poi from them. I think you're very much in the minority.

I went to glastonbury 2002, 2003, 2004. In 2002 there was a handful of people spinning poi, in 2003 there were a lot of people spinning, in 2004 there were only a handful of people not spinning poi up at the stone circle. It was a massive explosion which i'm certain was fueled by free parties. The number of people who have seen me spin at parties and festivals and then told me they wanna learn is enormous.

Anywho, my main point was that the glowstringers seemed to feel that glowstringing exclusively came out of rave culture and somehow it was more about the 'dance' than contemporary poi. Maybe i mis interpreted it but IMO that is BS and could be said about the london poi scene as well.

Or maybe i'm just a glostringer at heart. I certainly don't spin like a maori woman, So why call it poi?

In conclusion. I don't think a distinction can be drawn between poi and glostringing, they are subtley different but they are still both sphercular forms.

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Posted:
Written by: spherculist



Now obviously anything I say is my opinion only, perhaps dave you feel like you have some omnipotent opinion on these matters, just feel free to add an IMO anywhere you like.





With respect; I do stick a good few IMO's in my posts; I'm under the impression that it's you who tends not to.

In particular, as I previously mentioned-

Written by: spherculist


Poi in britain came from the rave culture too you know,






was, IMO, somewhat presumptious, unsubstantiated (at the time anyway; your recent post is a worthwhile attempt at giving grounds) and was presented more as straight fact than your opinion.











Written by: spherculist



The London Rave scene has for many years been number one showcase for the most badass spinners around. I mean come on. Never heard anyone talk about badass London Style Spinners before? Hell, that's where Nick and Ally's infamous Orange poi come from.








In all honesty, yes, I have never heard of the 'badass london style spinners' or of nick and ally's infamous orange poi.

Nevertheless, I do a lot of poi, and don't feel any loss from not having encountered these marvels smile










Written by: spherculist


I went to glastonbury 2002, 2003, 2004. In 2002 there was a handful of people spinning poi, in 2003 there were a lot of people spinning, in 2004 there were only a handful of people not spinning poi up at the stone circle. It was a massive explosion which i'm certain was fueled by free parties. The number of people who have seen me spin at parties and festivals and then told me they wanna learn is enormous.







I'm sure the rave side was a factor, I just consider it to be far from the main one.

Those who go to raves a lot will, I'm sure, tend to see a lot of poi there. Those of us who never went to raves, also saw a lot of poi in other (non-rave) places.

IMO, if the rave/club scene had never been, poi would be around today; whereas if the internet had never been, I suspect it wouldn't.

I'd say that the internet is more responsible for the growth of poi than the rave scene.

Written by: spherculist

The number of people who have seen me spin at parties and festivals and then told me they wanna learn is enormous.





Similarly, a lot of people say the same to me when I spin in non-rave environments such as parks, juggling clubs etc- it's more of a people-seeing-something-good and-wanting-to-learn-it thing; and yes, some of them will happen to be at raves at the time; equally, others won't. People like you will encounter the ones at raves, people like me will encounter them elsewhere.

I suspect that there's an element of some people in the rave scene who spin, being a bit blinkered and possibly possessive here.

ie they spend a lot of times at raves, and little time at non-rave spinning events, or the non-rave spinning events they do go to tend to be frequented by ravers etc.

So they come to equate poi with raving.

Then maybe some also feel the need to 'possess' poi, and claim it as part of their rave culture.

In a similar vien we had, in the past, threads addressing the overriding missconception that poi were inextricably bound with drug use, due to the perception that most spinners used drugs.

Those threads cleared up that misconception and established that many spinners do not use drugs. It seems obvious now, but at the time the misconception was rife.

Similarly, if we make an effort, with maybe a poll, or maybe just with this thread, IMO we'll find that many people spin who do not associate it with rave.

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Posted:
Written by: onewheeldave



I suspect that there's an element of some people in the rave scene who spin, being a bit blinkered and possibly possessive here.



ie they spend a lot of times at raves, and little time at non-rave spinning events, or the non-rave spinning events they do go to tend to be frequented by ravers etc.



So they come to equate poi with raving.



Then maybe some also feel the need to 'possess' poi, and claim it as part of their rave culture.








i think that's a major point and it is exactly what many of us (at least myself, nyc and spherculist i think i can speak for here) believe the glowstringer section of spinners has done, over at gsc and in general.



possession of the activity/culture is what this thread is all about, no?



and trust me dave - you have definitely lost out on not spinning nick and ali poi wink

in all seriousness though, i still stand by the fact that they are the original and best ever examples of 'sock poi'.





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Posted:
No, I believe as one of the glowstringers over at gs.c and as a poist of HoP that the "possession" of the activity and culture is not what it's about.

We're not claiming we 'possess' or 'own' glowstringing, and that no one else is entitled to it or the nomer. Yes, we are pushing for a different sort of dance. The label is what counts.

Are there that many good examples of the differences? No. Not yet.

But are we trying to differenciate and push further? Yes.

It's not our place to say who 'owns' it as indeed, who knows who the first person to swing glowsticks on strings was? Maybe some drugged out faded raver wink

But I can speak as one who got into glowstringing/poi without being a raver that the label distinction is helpful in pushing either one further. Otherwise I'm limited in my respected fields.

Dave, I totally agree that if it weren't for the internet, none of thise would be possible. Innovations in California, Illinois, Texas, New York are spreading all across the US and further through sites like gs.c. Much like ideas are coming around the world through HoP.

But then again - taking a step back to look at the all encompassing universe and I feel quite insignificant.
*goes back to his dancing smile

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Posted:
I wonder how long it will be (or maybe if its been done) until someone glowstrings in one hand and spins poi with the other biggrin hehe, a bunch of wraps from one hand and large flowing circles from the other - just as a simple example of course smile

I can personally see the distinction between poi and glowstringing - from the emphasis on moves to culture; but then that is a simplified generalization. I know it has been said, but each catagory is what you make of it. Of course, from my experience, spinning poi in a park during the day receives (generally) a more welcome response then glowstringing with dead glowsticks. But that also has to do with a few people's negative view of raves and their association of glowsticks with raves. Of course, here in North America (and I'm genralizing again) I get weird looks for dancing in public, and even out at the pop night clubs - dancing is seen as for girls while guys act all cool and macho. I've been told it is not the same in Europe. Well, I'll find out in the fall...Euro trip...weeeeee. bounce

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Posted:
sorry kael - i think the word possession had very negative connotations which i did not mean to imply.



removing 'possession' from dave's quote, it expresses for me what i think has led to gs being regarded as separate from any other style of poi spinning:



Written by: onewheeldave



I suspect that there's an element of some people in the rave scene who spin, being a bit blinkered.



i.e. they spend a lot of times at raves, and little time at non-rave spinning events, or the non-rave spinning events they do go to tend to be frequented by ravers etc.



So they come to equate poi with raving.








this is true of many spinners in both britain and america.



but the american raver community was limited to a partiular setup (glowsticks on strings) and was so separated from any other poi communities, that they chose to name what they do 'glowstringing'.





what i meant by 'possession' is thinking that the style of spinning you do is so unique that it is seen fit to rename the activity.



this is all just my opinion - i'm expressing it so others understand how i see all this.

i am not arguing against the differentiation here, nor am i trying to prove that it is wrong.







cole. x

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Posted:
No offense taken, cole.

Different cultures will see things differently, that is a given.

I don't want to argue either. I just like to dance, learn, and teach. But I will stand up for my fellow community. wink

I'm sure we can continue to share and learn as well as maintain our own separate and unique cultures. smile

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Posted:
Thanks guys. I think its like OWD said about there being lots of different influences. Though Im with rev, and Im wondering what was going on earlier, back in the 70/80s.

Its really been a fire staff - dance culture in oz, and poi was rare up until 02/03. The growth of poi follwed a similar time line to spherculists Glastonbury experiences. Which supports the internet theory.

Although, I'm sure much of that internet growth was due to people seeing poi at parties, festivals, raves etc. and wanting to find out more about poi. I originally found HOP from a doof site, and I think both tightly linked, despite peoples attempts to distance themselves from the rave scene.

The one thing that stands out as being different with glowsticking, is the incorporation of freestyle.


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Posted:
That's a really good write up; it's good to get some yo-yo perspective.





What is juggling? Some jugglers would be happy to define it as 'object manipulation', in which case contact would indeed by juggling (as would poi); others would define it as 'there being at least one more object in the air than there are hands to throw/catch them'- in that case 'contact juggling' would not be juggling.



The real answer is that there is no 'real' definition of juggling- different people define it in different (and contradictory ways).



My opinion is that it's all very well to say-



Written by: ShawnF







A guy talked about how juggling was any interesting manipulation of objects, even including your own body. That is a super-broad definition that arguably includes dance.










and emphasise the wholistic, encompassing, 'new-age' aspects of this amazing skill of juggling that I've personally spent most of my life practicing.



But, then again, to say that juggling is anything to do with object manipulation, has the downside of a term being rendered somewhat useful for description purposes.



We have diabalo, devil sticks, poi, contact etc- if you call them all 'juggling', suddenly the term becomes pretty useless.



And, if you want to describe 'three-ball work' you have to invent a new term, say, 'toss juggling', which then means exactly the same as the old one did('juggling').



So, for me, I use the term 'circus skills' to cover the whole lot; however, that's only when trying to describe it to the general public (non-jugglers), because I know that 'circus-skills' is innacurate too- it implies that these skills have their origins purely in the circus, and that is not so (a prime example being poi).



So 'object manipulation' is possibly an even better umberella term.

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Posted:
Yeah, I can agree with that. I've used "object manipulation" myself before. The main problem is that it doesn't really roll off the tongue, and unfortunately it seems like that is one of the main deciding factors on whether a term really "sticks" in terms of general use. Good for semantic discussions like this and reference pages, I doubt we'll see any newspaper articles on "object manipulation" heh.

I guess my main concern isn't over the name itself but in the attitudes the definition can foster. If you feel that a place like a juggling club might be your main option for hanging out with other openminded people to do all kinds of different stuff, encountering someone who both has a limited definition of juggling and thinks less of those things not fitting that definition is where the trouble can come in...

Luckily there seems to be little elitism in this area (Umass Juggling Club) where a yo-yo player is even a treasurer. smile Yo-yoers also seemed to be pretty well received at the BUJA convention in Boston, which was nice. I've heard some bad stories from other areas, though.

Shawn

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Posted:
Hi ShawnF, I enjoyed your comments.

I loved yo-yo as a kid, but admittedly I had never thought of yo-yo as a form of poi. I think poi can be defined if we look at these examples from: Maori performance arts, Poi Toa and HoP.

I think the other props and weapons can be defined by their history or the paths of evolution as you suggested. Because, it seems evident that yo-yo has a history that suggests it is not poi. While meteor, rope dart and Indian clubs all evolved independently.

This doesnt prove anything one way or another, it just shows an independent evolution. Im not even going to even try to answer the obvious glowstick question here.

Good point regarding dance as juggling. Apparently the butterfly, a contact-juggling move, is copied from a Middle Eastern dance. Snake arms are used in middle-eastern dance, clubs and poi. And dance, put the hula in hoop.

No comment of baton and staff twirling's cultures.

I dont think it will get past the agree to disagree" stage. But does it matter? People are tying new things, and everyone is passionate about these arts.

Thanks, great read.

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Posted:
OK I have to do this.

*breathes*



We made a sand sculpture scorpion for Moonfest last night... used a green/orange glowie for the sting at the end of the tail...



Led to the obvious question...



Glowstinging.,, Fact or fiction?!?!?!?!

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ubblol

colemanSILVER Member
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Posted:
tongue ubblol



at the end of the day, it doesn't matter what the sting is made of, its the poison inside it that counts wink





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ubblol ubblol ubblol ubblol ubblol ubblol
clap clap clap

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Posted:
*Wick* ed humour there Cole

(how do you get bold type?!?) confused

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Posted:
And why is this thread telling me that it is * how to build an igloo...* as well as *glowstringing*....??? umm

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It's a riddle.

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Yes, let's go.
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Posted:
cole - you're a funny man hug

bold type is brought to us by the square brackets and the letter b

and it's called "how to build an igloo" because it isn't in the spirit of the thing to claim you can't build an igloo out of whatever you want and call it something terribly specific wink

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grouphug to gabe and the chuckling crew smile



apologies for this - i thought it was all sorted out in my head and then i read something that seemed to suggest glowstick 'dancing' embraces all the elements that techy poi spinners are accussed of replacing dance with confused



it seems reading this that if you do poi with the dance bit removed, it suddenly makes it more glowstick in nature.



it also sounds like all poi spinners have exactly the same dance style when seen through a glowstickers eyes...



Written by: wes from the other thread in poi moves

well, my honest opinion is that it looks kind of ugly. there's really no thoughts behind it, nor is it artistic.



for the most part its swaying and side-stepping back and forth while wrapping. those movements are both generic and unnecessary. those movement has NOTHING to do with the wraps he is doing. he would sway the same way no matter what wraps he is doing. there's no thought behind it, he just does it just because. i see that as a bad habit.



to me a good dancer knows where his/her body is and what its doing at all times. eliminates unnecessary movements and add variety at the same time. compliments whatever else he is doing with the rest of the body movement.



and in this case, Kael did not do so. he just sways and sidesteps without care.



other movements he done are the quick spins and the under the leg swing while turning. how is that different than another persons when they did a weave/turn or under the leg swing turn? those movements are pretty much "built in" in the moves themselves. there's specific timing where you need to turn to make it work, and that goes for everyone.



with kael's case, his turns looks awfully similar to Nick's Devilishly Yers, but only a worse. less graceful. he even admitted that's where he tried to copy these from.






i don't think i understand your definition of 'dancing' ast all wes and i'm worried that i might be misinterpreting what you are saying.

it seems you think that any body movement whilst swinging is bad?



what defines 'good dance' for you when it comes to swinging poi and/or glowsticks...?



personally, i didn't think kael's movement style looked even remotely like nick's but there ya go...





cole. x

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Crikey chaps, not all poi spinners are techies sockies, wrappies or even English! There's amazing people dancing beautifully with poi all around me here. And contact staffs. And hackie sacks. Even the devil stickies are groovin!

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Posted:
that's what i was trying to ask - what exactly defines good dance with glowsticks and what do glowstickers think good dance with poi encompasses?

the criticism is often levelled at 'techy' poi spinners that they do not dance enough.


i personally tend not to bend my legs at all which limits my movement quite a bit but gives my style a definite look.
i turn lots, have a good concept of rhythm and tempo and i aim to move between definite body positions.

there seems to be a definite contrast in that glowstickers aim for a low amount of body-movement when swinging and i was wondering exactly what glowstickers see in poi swingers when they dance...


cole.

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Posted:
If I put green color to my fire Poi I will be glowstringer? smile

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Posted:
Hi Cole
* not dance enough* is an interesting concept.

Every person I see spin has their own style... some people move heaps, take up heaps of space. The movement of their bodies is sometimes related to what they're playing with, sometimes the music ( if there is any), their mood, the phase of the moon... whatever. They move more and there can seem to more difference between them.

The sockwraptechyperloop types move far far less... to the point where I would not call it dance as such, but a movement style for sure.. they might look more 'similar' but the differences in how someone carries themselves, turns and so on are still there, more subtle.
And that's fine by me, I really enjoy watching them and really appreciate that way of being. Why should people who express the,seves so beautifully like that 'dance' more just because someone else does?

This isn't a 'sport' with ' rules' (and 'winners') surely?

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Posted:
I read it somewhere:

Glowstringing is life without glowstringin you'll die. smile

and

No crews, no battles,
we are just some friends who want to hang out
and do what we like to do.

Hope nothing changed , light
:R

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Posted:
Nice one Richee, love the Rumi.... hug

.....Can't juggle balls but I sure as hell can juggle details....


StoutBRONZE Member
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Location: Canada


Posted:
And people wonder why countries don't get along.....

Pardon my confusion, but have I got this right?

In order to be a glowstringer you have to spin the right toys,,in the right way,,while dancing in the right style, to the right music.

Sounds pretty exclusive

I'm with Coleman on the Dervishly Yers / Kael comparison. I see a few of Nick's elements in Kael's videos, like the variation in spinning speed and a few of the turns but that's about it. They're both dramatically different styles,,and I like both of 'em.

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