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mixinluv2umember
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Posted:
Just curious, how do you guys view glowstringing?

couple questions to focus/start off the discussion:

Is glowstringing and poi one and the same or different? If it's different then how do you define glowstringing and seperate the two?

Do glowstringers have a unique set of moves outside of traditional poi moves?

Should the difference in each tool/medium (glowstring vs sock poi vs fire poi) be emphasized? Or should all of them be spun the same way?

How do you define/develop style and originality in poi? Should the same principles of style and originality be applied to glowstringing? Or can glowstringing have their own principles and methodologies?

Are there differences in cultural background and philosophy between poi and glowstringing?

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OWD, it’s only an analogy. It was used to point out similarities ie. wicks and glowsticks are both a form of poi. I don’t want to take it to a round ball / glow vs oval ball / wick debate. I watched a heap of great glowstick videos now, and while there are cultural and style differences, if I pick up some glowsticks, learn some new tricks and go stringing :



poi is poi bounce poi



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Posted:
Off topic this but I would like to just *squeeze* it in here since (hopefuly) this issue will slide a little...

My name has been smeared a lot on gs.c and my motives questioned more than once...

but ONLY because I was 'smearing' too - so I hold no grudges at all about that. However...

I threw everything *EVERYTHING* I had into trying to make a difference at glowsticking.com

because I love all of the spinning communities. It is that simple, honestly.

I had no sleep whatsoever for over 2 days during this discussion. And I hope that -alone- illustrates my point enough to clear my name (to an extent) with gs.c and the glowsticking communities.

peace out.

Jo.

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Posted:
I'd like to say at this point that all my replies have been soley in regard to the actual issue of whether GS is or isn't a sub-set of poi.

I realise that underlying that question are some complex politics, agendas etc; but I'm not particularly up on those, nor are they the kinds of things I'm emotionally suited to engaging with.

So, despite being aware that there is a considerable political aspect to some of the opinions expressed in this thread, none of the views I've expressed are meant to refer to those aspects.

Apologies to anyone who feels let down, or feels that I've played into anyones hands.

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Posted:
edit (unintentional pun) I don't feel let down Dave if you mean me when you say 'anyone'



balance is good.



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Cynicdave1member
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Posted:
to everyone: who gets to use the term "poi" and use it for all swinging, even though most people agree poi is a maori word?



specifically, i consider poi a cultural word with specific definition-set describing a certain culture of art that originated in the asian/australian/pacific area.



obviously, this is a modern phenomenon, since debates such as these has raged since glowsticking.com's inception, i have to ask.. who specificallly decided to use the term "poi" to describe all stringed activies some not derived from the original, traditional, poi?



so the real question is the question of legitamacy. we obviously have very big communities, the both of us, so who gets to decide?



is tomato: toe-may-toe or toe-mah-toe?



is it color or colour?



is it gray or grey?



is it theater or theatre?



is it President or Prime Minister



is it Britney or Kylie



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Posted:
As far as I'm concerned, Dave (and I think I'm speaking for most here)...



you are welcome to call it glowstringing AS LONG AS we can call it poi.



the end?



Jo.

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Posted:
Seems we've got a group of people who consider GS to have sufficient differences to poi to warrant it being considered a seperate art, and another group who believe that it should instead be considered a style, or sub-set of poi.

After this thread, and a lot of thought on the issue; I can see merits in both points of view.

To me, GS lies either on, or very close to, the border of that which we know as 'poi'- it's a gray area- some will see it as within the border, others will see it as without.

I like Jo's proposal- if one group really wants to consider it as seperate, and another as the same, then why not just let it go, with, as Jo says, the understanding that the opposite group has a right to call it something different.

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Posted:
Kylie ubblove



Cynicdave1 said
Written by:

who gets to use the term "poi" and use it for all swinging, even though most people agree poi is a maori word? who specifically decided to use the term "poi" to describe all stringed activies some not derived from the original, traditional, poi






Good question. I don’t know who originated it, but it has become widely accepted by the general public. So I say the public.



For example, I’m doing tailed poi at a remote agricultural show in the country Oz somewhere, and people come up and say “oh I like you poi poi” or “I saw poi like that when I was in NZ.” etcetc. This has happend a lot. Many people, outside these communities, identify spinning things on strings as poi. I would suggest even more so than fire poi.



Cynicdave1, the history of why driving on the left hand side of the road, is the right side of the road to drive on, is so knights could draw their swords and hold them in their right hand to face the enemy.



Jo hughughug



OneWheelDave, according to your rationale if someone purchased some plastic electoglow clubs and incorporated some contact rolls plus some liquid type moves into a flowing routine then they wouldn’t be juggling.





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Posted:
Written by: Stone


OneWheelDave, according to your rationale if someone purchased some plastic electoglow clubs and incorporated some contact rolls plus some liquid type moves into a flowing routine then they wouldn’t be juggling.





Just out of interest, what do you consider my rationale to be?

I've said quite a few things on this thread, and you're obviously commenting on some aspect of what you've interpreted my view to be.

I'm not entirely sure what you see my viewpoint to be, can you clarify?

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Posted:
This one OWD:

Written by:

"So is it fair to say that the reason you want to emphasise the difference between glowstringing and poi, is to encourage glowstringers to develop and innovate a style that fully exploits the characteristics that set glowstring equipment apart from poi equipment (eg lightness)? In conjunction with a belief that constraints (in terms of moves used etc), far from diminishing the style, will actually progress it."




Plus others that I haven’t got time to dig out now. Must rush.

Apply that to glow v fire clubs, and to me it’s like saying someone juggling three fire clubs is different to someone juggling five electro clubs, especially that someone incorporates some liquid or strobing or whatever into their routine.

But the really, really BIG question is, “is it dance?”

wink

There are no strings


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Posted:
That quote is me feeding back to someone my interpretation of their viewpoint.

I do, to a large extent, go along with that view, though, as my later posts mention, I can also see the other side as well.

If someone (like Jo) wants to define poi as anything that involves spinning weighted cords, then, from their viewpoint, GS is simply a style of poi.

Then again, someone from GS may consider that GS-ing has sufficient differences for them to want to distinguish it as more than just another style of poi.

Maybe one way to look at it is to reflect that, in the west, we pretty much have one word to cover 'snow'- we don't need more because we don't get much snow.

An eskimo could have forty words to describe different types of snow- he/she needs that because snow is a major part of their world, and understanding it to that fine degree is a matter of survival.

Maybe a poi-er looks at GS and just sees poi done with different tools- maybe a GS-er looks at it and sees it as entirely distinct from poi.

It's just two ways of seeing, IMO, both totally valid.

So, that's my current viewpoint- those who want to call it all poi are OK, those who want to call it GS-ing are also OK.

I guess what I object to is those who, for what reasons I do not know, insist on it being one or the other, and calling the other side 'deluded'.

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Posted:
Written by: Stone





Apply that to glow v fire clubs, and to me it’s like saying someone juggling three fire clubs is different to someone juggling five electro clubs, especially that someone incorporates some liquid or strobing or whatever into their routine.












Glo-club juggling and fire club juggling. Club juggling with different props. We call it all juggling.



Then again we have 'contact juggling'- it's got juggling in the name even though it's nothing like juggling.



We have 'club passing'- it's not got juggling in the name, and it is fairly distinct from juggling, in that, by necessity, it requires more than one person, and, when I do it, it has more of a feel of interacting than juggling.



The point is, much as we try to pin down and make exact and watertight our descriptions of these skills- at the end of the day there will always be gray areas and inexactitudes.



I'm not a glowstringer; most of us here on HOP aren't. GS.com is a long standing and successful online community- it's easy to bung something up on the internet; not so easy to keep it going, and growing, through the years and the inevitable set-backs.



If members of that community who do glowstring, and who know far more than us about the techniques and feel of GS, and the community aspects of GS; feel the need to distinguish GS from poi, then so be it.



What is this arrogance that some members of the poi community feel the need to say to the GS-ers 'you are wrong; you are doing exactly the stuff that we are'.



Isn't that like us going to the eskimos and saying 'OK, you call snow 40 different names, but it's bullsh*t, snow is snow'.

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Posted:
Written by:

What is this arrogance that some members of the poi community feel the need to say to the GS-ers 'you are wrong; you are doing exactly the stuff that we are'.




hurrah. given that this has been a free-for-all, i'll add my little .02: soapbox what really riles people is being defined by other people's terms. pages ago someone complained about being told they were glowsticking when, as far as they knew, they were doing poi. they did not enjoy being informed, politely or otherwise, by someone else, that what they were doing IS THIS, or IS THAT.

it is clear that some glowstickers are being told they are nothing but poi spinners with delusions of grandeur. why would anyone want to tell this to someone who clearly doesn't want to hear it? spin and let spin (or 'swing' if you like), surely? peace

i'm not sure what the intention of calling glowsticking a subset of poi is, but in effect, it comes across as an attempt by an older, pre-established community to belittle a newer, possibly smaller, one. 'you can't have a new name, you're doing nothing new! i don't see what's so special about all these glowstickers! they're just doing what we do, after all.' well no, it's fairly obvious from just watching a single glowstringing video that 'they' are not just doing what 'we' do, and i don't know why certain spinners have seen the move away from poi as a deep attack on the art.

Written by:

the understanding that the opposite group has a right to call it something different


is one way of dealing with it. another would be for the 'opposite group' to back off, and avoid future confrontation by letting glowstringers escape the feeling that they have some deep roots in poi, or that they are a little off-shoot of a much larger, more important plant.

if you grant glowsticking legitimacy on its own terms, who is hurt? the communities are already fairly distanced, if the web is anything to go by. poi is not under threat hug. you are not in danger hug. stop being reactionary and the two communities can grow in whatever direction they choose, and learn from one another, and in five years, we'll see what the scenes look like. if this antagonism continues, it could easily drive an avoidable wedge between the two households. imho it would be... polite... to allow a group to define itself.
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Posted:
Dave, I’m almost “Past Caring”



But come on what arrogance and by whom?



I don’t know why u assume that people who visit HOP don’t use glowsticks. Many have in the past, and hopefully more will in the future. I have a least ten different types of poi, including short poi and a couple of bags of glowsticks. So, poi to me is like snow to the eskimos. I bet plenty of people here have lots of glow and fire toys.



Dave imo saying somethink like “That quote is me feeding back to someone my interpretation of their viewpoint.” is rationale.



And if you see “glo-club juggling and fire club juggling as juggling with different props. Then that’s the same as I see doing poi with different props. There are however big differences in culture and style, as acknowledged.



Certainly since this discussion, I can see subtle differences b/t doing current moves with glowsticks compared to glowsticking (with strings?) what I’d call stinging. One thing that seems to have changed is the amalgamation of freehand with strings. Good idea, though I wonder if at one time there was a seperatist policy. Like I’ve heard skool liquid dancers suggest that freehand glowstickers weren’t doing real liquid an so on. Obviously, things have moved on a bit since I’ve been out, but if I was I’d practice “stinging” moves.



I hope my opinion doesn’t sound arrogant, it's not ment to be.



Ben-in-a-spin This has not been a free-for-all, and no one is putting down glowstickers, ok smile



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Posted:
While some HOP-ers may use glowstick poi, that doesn't make them glowstringers. 'Glowsting-ing', in the sense meant by GS.com isn't doing standard poi moves with glowstick poi.

I like Ben-in-a-spins post, it expresses very well, the viewpoint of those who do find some of the attitudes concerning GS a bit riling.

As this thread seems to be reaching its end, I'll add this: -

Often, it's not the content of what's being said that causes controversy, argument or offense; it's the way it's said and the tone in which it's said.

To say 'IMO, glowstringing is a form of poi spinning'; is unlikely to offend, or push anyones buttons.

To say 'glowstringing is just a style of poi' is saying something extra- 'glowstringing is just a style of poi'.

Sticking in 'just' is a common way of slipping a tone of contempt into what seems initially to be an objective/non-judgemental statement.

To say 'You glowstringers are idiots if you think what you're doing is not poi' is going all out to provoke.

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Posted:
"While some HOP-ers may use glowstick poi, that doesn't make them glowstringers."

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Posted:
i could say many things, but all I’ll say is this.



why is does it seem like so many people are intent on dividing two rich communities that have so much in common?



answer me this, and I’ll stop stoking me chin wink





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Posted:
I cant believe this has gone on for twelve pages.

i've read alot and skimmed all of em.

honeslty was all this sophistry really necesary? I dont think so.

Im not interested enough in either poi, stringing or argueing so get myself steeped in this. I do find it rather depressing sometimes though when a potentially interesting discussion desends into the madness of sematics like this.

I dont think i've learned anything from this thread.

do yourselves a favour folks. go out in the sun and spin

my personal take on this is the same as it is for alot of things

you roots are important. sharing is important. learning and teaching are important.

im a staffer, but if i could be a baton twirler too, i would. except for the costume wink

Or is it the costume that makes them baton twirlers. ha ha, now im doing it too, must be the HOP in me.

best of luck to all you object manipulators

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Posted:
the opinion of the general public



the bit about poi (not the slop stuff) says:



Written by: answers.com

The Māori word "poi" means "ball." More specifically, this refers to a form of juggling with balls on ropes, held in the hands and swung in various circular patterns, similar to club-twirling. This was traditionally practiced by women an exercise to increase flexibility of the wrists and hands, and by men to increase strength in the arms and coordination. It developed into a traditional performance art practiced mostly by women.



Today, poi swinging is seeing much wider popularity. Poi swingers use everything from rolled-up socks to expensive devices with light-emitting diodes and combine swinging with body moves. This is fire dancing when the poi are made of wicks and set on fire.






so it seems after all this 'debate' that swinging glowsticks is indeed a poi discipline and 'fire dancing' is in reality the separate, uniquely defineable skill shrug





finally (for me) this quote made me realise that i am and hopefully will never be a glowsticker - i would not be proud to be a part of a community that can 'have a lot of fun' when stuff like this is going on:



Written by: Cynicdave1



we have seen battles gone wrong. i have seen people getting stabbed at raves, people fighting over girls, etc. We at the same time have had a lot of fun together






frown





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Posted:
this thread is so big now most of the last three pages have been retreading what was said in the first 7 pages (which had a lot of saying the same thing too).



from this page:



Written by: Unfortunatly Can Obtain Fruit



"While some HOP-ers may use glowstick poi, that doesn't make them glowstringers."








Written by: Spanner



I'd also say that while some glowstring, that doesn't make them glowstringers: it's the prerogative of the individual, which is why I've omitted mention of either online-based community smile






form the first 5 pages:





Written by: coleman



i span glowsticks on strings before i knew sh!t about the american scene.



was i glowsticking then without my knowledge, or was i just simply poi-ing with glowsticks...?



i.e. why does glowsticking get set aside from all the other poi tools - why is it not glowstick poi-ing?






Written by: Adrillf



And yes when you did use glowsticks, you were glowsticking. You may have not known the name for it or what you were doing, but you were still glowsticking. For me it is not the moves that get the different name, because moves are interchangable from one medium to another, for me it is the object that you are spinning the calls for another name.






Written by: Cynicdave1



it's what you DO with the tool that set things apart. If you play basketball with a soccerball, you are playing basketball. If you are juggling chainsaws, you aren't ... chopping down trees, but juggling.






Written by: coleman



so if i am poi-ing with glowsticks, am i poi-ing or glowsticking...?



by your examples above and your point that "it is not the tool but what you are doing with it", i would be poi-ing with glowsticks.



if you can describe to me how it is possible to glowstick with poi, i will be totally convinced that glowsticking is an art separate from poi but as it stands, i cannot.






no-one ever addressed that last point by the way...







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Posted:
Written by: Jo


As far as I'm concerned, Dave (and I think I speak for most here)...

you are welcome to call it glowstringing AS LONG AS we can call it poi.

the end?

Jo.




I disagree. biggrin

I think he's welcome no matter what his beliefs are.

We don't dictate philosophy here. We never have. I see no reason to start now.

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Posted:
okay spanner - thought your point was more general than the online community angle.

i just thought it was interesting to point out the very grey area here is that no-one seems to agree what the central defining issue for glowstringing is at all: the tool, the activity or the style of the activity.

for 'glowstringing' to be a verb that involves more than just a difference in the prop used to practice it, it must have definable characteristrics that set it apart from poi.

i have tried to emphasise the fact that that glowstickers claim that poi moves spun with glowsticks can be labelled 'glowstringing', yet no-one can explain how to glowstring with poi.
nyc's new thread may adress this but i sincerely doubt it.

i think i'm back to square one: what the hell *is* glowstringing if its not poi?


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Posted:
I'm up for the style of activity description,,lots of wraps but I just can't get my head around the not turning style. Guess I'm a poist at heart.

I'm not fussed if the glowstringers want to do the distinct society thing, let them, I mean 12 pages ago I didn't even know they existed.

But this discussion has turned me into a "spinning empty 2oz.paint bottles on the ends of shoelaces with designs of figuring out wrap combos" kinda guy.

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Posted:
mmm... Guess I ought to explain a bit, but I sure won't bother for awhile again after this.



Glowstringing is the same as all words and labels are - open to subjective definitions and perceptions and differing experiences.



Sure, I may be a glowstringer and a poist, but it's not something that I enjoy putting into words. Asking me what 'glowstringing is' is like asking me what a smile constitutes, or dancing, or poetry. It doesn't have one clearcut meaning. It's a physical manifestation of my very feelings, thoughts, and emotions; and I'll be damned if I'm going to be caged in by definitions of what glowstringing ought to be by one side or the other.



While people are locked in some deep epistemological discussion of whether so-and-so actually knows what they're talking about, I'm just here trying to learn and become better at whatever it is I'm doing. I understand that 'glowstringing as a separate entity' is rather difficult concept to grasp if you haven't seen it done well live. Perhaps it's because people get bored of glowsticks when there's fire; there are few glowstringers that know what they're doing- So chances are many of you other HoPers haven't seen stringing like this. There's so much that hasn't been done that ought to, and a whole new way of self-expression that hasn't been explored.



That's where we're going; that's what most of us at gs.c are pushing for. I wish I could say we all were but I'd be a horrible liar.



Kids will be kids. Continue discussion. wink

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Posted:
No I agree with Jo perfectly. So I'm not going to go on this forum and tell people differently. That's why poi people with that agenda shouldn't go on glowsticking.com and tell US differentltly, when we already know what those people think. It happens too much on glowsticking.com, we have ours hands full already.



Its just like the eskimo and calling it snow analogy. the eskimos already know what you think. no need to pee on his hut.



just because you are using a soccer ball to play basketball doesn't mean you are playing soccer!



what is glowstringing? like kael says, there's a lot of definition to it:



https://www.glowsticking.com/about.php



but here is GS.C attempt to explain it, which a lot of people found helpful.

that's my opinion.



answer.com IS precise. some of you are not being so precise. it's like you are ignoring the rest of the discussion.



and to people taking my quotes out of context, and saying we can't have fun when we have witnesssed bad stuff happen before is BS. don't tell me you guys don't have fights that break out at some club or bar sometimes. british soccer fans are world renowned!



but anyway, yes to Jo, i agree with him pefectly. and like we discusssed before, he is invited back on GS.C, and like he agreed, he won't try to continue this thread on GS.C. Rev and Jo can continue talking about this on HOP all they want. We got enough of a community to do what we are doing, and to visit HOP once in awhile to see how you guys are doing and say hello.



So this time, for me, it really IS the end of the convo. thanks to people who attempted to discuss this the whole way through from the begining, not just from the middle.
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Posted:
Bummer.

This isn't how I'd hoped it would work out.

It seemed that nobody really stepped out of their own cave enough to look around.

I'm disappointed that the overwhelming majority of warm and fuzzy hippy vibe didn't even make an appearance on this thread.

This isn't what HoP is. This isn't what the firespinning community is. There will always be a small geekish segment of us who will debate symantics but it's not the even a small portion of the picture.

I know I shouldn't care what a couple of glowstickers think of us firespinners, and on some level I don't, but I'm saddened if they actually think this is what the firespinner vibe is.

Maybe it explains the lack of hugs I get over there.

Then again, a few other GSCers even got some intro threads... so maybe they're the ones who got hugged by HoP. And maybe that's good enough.

Off to bed. Gotta rest up for my trip to Scotland to hug some HoPers and smooch another. wink

Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]


ValuraSILVER Member
Mumma Hen
6,391 posts
Location: Brisbane, Australia


Posted:
offtopic butttttt...I think that the fuzzy happy hippies are too overwhelmed by this whole thread to come out .. I know that I for one am... I did post at the start of this thread, but then it got waaaayyy too confusing.

anyway I will extend hugs to the newbies... Im glad that they will respect the hoppers just like the hoppers respect them. hug hug hug hug

TAJ "boat mummy." VALURA "yes sweetie you went on a boat, was daddy there with you?" TAJ "no, but monkey on boat" VALURA "well then sweetie, Daddy WAS there with you"


MissEgyptologyBRONZE Member
officially expelled from BYU
195 posts
Location: Southern California, USA


Posted:
Gs.cers not giving enough hugs? PLUR it up! hug hug hug

And if you visit the "Post Whore Family" thread over in gs.c's sandbox, adrillf and I will welcome you to our "home." haha

And beofre someone else does it.
offtopic heehee

"So Miss, I think you win the prize... A mormon egyptologist in a firespinning chat room... that's gotta be a record of some kind"
-NYC

Thanks, NYC,but I quit mormonism now XD


StoneGOLD Member
Stream Entrant
2,829 posts
Location: Melbourne, Australia


Posted:
hasta la vista glowstickers smile


wave


might cu over at gs.c sometime


cheers smile

If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh


AdrillfSILVER Member
member
112 posts
Location: UT, Sweden


Posted:
Written by: MissEgyptology


Gs.cers not giving enough hugs? PLUR it up! hug hug hug

And if you visit the "Post Whore Family" thread over in gs.c's sandbox, adrillf and I will welcome you to our "home." haha

And beofre someone else does it.
offtopic heehee




Just ring the door bell before you come in, you may get attacked by Tofu, Ollie, Molly, Bugsy, and our spastic security system if you don't. ubblol

missegyptology: I'm gonna be a terrorist when I grow up anyway


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