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mixinluv2u
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Posted:Just curious, how do you guys view glowstringing?

couple questions to focus/start off the discussion:

Is glowstringing and poi one and the same or different? If it's different then how do you define glowstringing and seperate the two?

Do glowstringers have a unique set of moves outside of traditional poi moves?

Should the difference in each tool/medium (glowstring vs sock poi vs fire poi) be emphasized? Or should all of them be spun the same way?

How do you define/develop style and originality in poi? Should the same principles of style and originality be applied to glowstringing? Or can glowstringing have their own principles and methodologies?

Are there differences in cultural background and philosophy between poi and glowstringing?



mixinluv2u
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Posted:also keep in mind the actions of certain poi-ers (presenting views in condescending tone, disrespectful of differences in perspective, culture, community, etc) which LEADS to the consequences of hostility AFTER SEVERAL WARNINGS. you can see examples of snide remarks even here in this thread.

just because we are welcoming and open-minded does not mean we should let people walk all over us. just because we disagree doesn't mean we disrespect.



mixinluv2u
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Posted:Written by: NYC


You started this thread in the social DISCUSSION section, which clearly states is intended "For involved topics and debate."



As much as I love ya, I can't believe you started a thread in the "Social Discussion: For involved topics and debate" and did "not intend for discussion/debate".





uh.. if there's a "interview/survey poi-ers" section i would've posted it there. but there isnt, so i had to post this thread in the closest possible section, all while specify my intentions WITHIN the thread.



again, please read back on page one if you are confused. you can check how i was trying to get a clear picture of how people think here.



i even clearly discouraged people that had involvement in "previous debate" to avoid making reference... but some people never listen. i have read and participated in discussion here on HoP before, and i was under the impression that whoever started the thread is the leader of his thread... and participatants should try to comply to the direction of where the leader wants his thread to go. but i guess some people are just disrespectful anywhere on the internet.

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NYC
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Posted:Written by: mixinluv2u

couple questions to focus/start off the discussion:




YOUR words in your first post.

Written by:
i did not even intend for a discussion



YOUR words on page 16.

Gimme a break dude.


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mixinluv2u
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Posted:my bad. that's my fault. i meant that i intended for a discussion, but not a debate. as in, i just want to hear poi-ers opinions or you guys discuss amongst yourself without having me or dave presenting Glowsticking.com's view (unless asked).

but that was ruined once some people start referrencing previous debate and taking quotes out of context. we were left with no choice but to explain ourselves clearer.



NYC
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Posted:Whew! Thought you were getting schizophrenic on me there.

I certainly understand what you guys are talking about and I respect where you're coming from.

I guess I would have apreciated more context in the initial post at least acknowledging that this was a hot topic at GSC.

Also, and this is a very different note. I'm not used to the site's administration playing such an active role in philosophy. As you can see from these 15 pages, we haven't had a mod/admin say peep. (Or did Josh chime in once on something forgettable?) And when they do, they usually do something silly like "Removes Mod Hat" so that we members don't feel like it's HoP speaking to us.

I'm sure it's something I'll get used to.


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Pyrolific
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Posted:I chimed in, it was obviously something forgettable tongue





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NYC
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Posted:I meant it as a joke obviously. hug

But seriously, since you changed your name, I've had trouble keeping track of what the heck you've said and where the heck you said it.

And I've done the "Who's the new Mod?!" double take at least 10 times.

Which one are you again?

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Cynicdave1
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Posted:"Wes is extremely diplomatic and extremely respectful BUT this thread was started as a direct result of hostility at GSC. I guess I was unhappy that it was introduced here with smiles and hugs the day after I was told "F#ck home of Poi" by another member.

NYC:
I don't know who said that, but it certainly wasn't me. Also, I don't think anyone was even critiquing YOUR words, which always seemed pretty diplomatic. If my posts ever came off as referring to YOU, i apologize. they were directed at other people.



Cynicdave1
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Posted:"so freehand glowstick is a sub section of double staff then?"

To some people no. =D



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Posted:ubblol

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Pyrolific
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Posted:you Gs.c / HOP crew rock! smile

(at least from what I've read here) hug


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Posted:*from one gs.c mod to HoP mod.

hug

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NYC
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Posted:Hey look everybody, we've got a new member!

http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...part=1&vc=1


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TheWibbler
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Posted:^^^ haha,

I can't believe this is still going on,

can someone get to the point please, all i've gathered so far is that you can't spin snowballs made from slush.

m


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Naganootch
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Posted:^^HAHAHA^^

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infinite
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Posted:Well on COL 5 there is someone spinning poi (fatherandson) and he does very good spirals, wherre both poi wrap in the same direction around both hands and then unwind. I though this was only able to be done fluidly with glowsticks. He also does good good buzzsaw hyperloops. I can do most glowstick mpves with my poi, neckwraps and some tricks are really hard because I use 18" strings. But there is some wrap theory that poi hasnt even touched upon, most poeiople prefer the fluidness of constant circles.

dont make peoples heads turn, give them whiplash.


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Posted:re: onewheeldave: 'Of course! No one with half a brain is going to think that the Innuit have a greater appreciation of snow types because they have more words for it!'

cheers megan for nailing the right response to this . . .

however, I've still [yep, you guessed it] got something to add

to wit: I think it's more than plausible to suppose that the more words you have for something, the more likely you are to have an appreciation of it, or at least of subtle distinctions. for instance, the fact that I differentiate between objects which react strongly to ultraviolet, and objects which don't, began with me USING THE WORD. i later encountered glowing things at parties and clubs; but that's a different issue.

sure, the reason why there are so many words might be [at least in part] due to snow being 'omni-present'. but that doesn't mean that the distinctions which [e.g.] the inuit make are due to snow being 'omni-present' rather than the great number of words available.

consider: even if snow wasn't omni-present, if your culture had 200 words for snow [just supposing], then you might still make those subtle differentiations.

don't you think?

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onewheeldave
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Posted:But wouldn't you say that, generally, words are created as they are needed?

For example, an arabic tribe whose entire history has taken place in the Sahara, are unlikely to have many words, or ways of referring, to snow.

Whereas the Inuit have lots of ways of referring to, and distinguishing between, a wide variety of snow types (I'll cease to use 'words for snow' here, due to previous posts- however, I will maintain that they have language that distinguishes between a wide variety of snow types).

Conversly, I would expect the arabic tribe in the Sahara to have a variety of ways of referring to different types of sand and sand conditions (whereas the Inuit quite possibly, traditionally lack a word for 'sand').


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Posted:Written by: quiet




consider: even if snow wasn't omni-present, if your culture had 200 words for snow [just supposing], then you might still make those subtle differentiations.



don't you think?



e



Why would a culture have developed 200 words for something that they hardly ever encounter?



Maybe it would be part of some technical language (in the same way that, in our culture, a technical expert on computers may have a vast vocabulary that distinguishes between 200 types of microchip- yet the non-technical majority of everyday people would not know or use those 200 words).



Whereas, for the Inuit, those terms for distinguishing snow would not be the language of a technical elite, but instead be everyday, common terms, learnt by children from an early age.


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TheWibbler
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Posted:What on earth has snow got to do with glostringing???

Maybe you guys should check out that new site "Home of Weather" i hear it's really interesting ubblol


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NYC
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Posted:Na... it's all snowhaters over there.

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onewheeldave
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Posted:Written by: spherculist

What on earth has snow got to do with glostringing???




In the same way that snow can be seen as one thing, or many things, depending on the culture/viewpoint of the people looking at it; so, it has been suggested, can glowstringing be seen as either being poi, or a different entity.

So, a person from one culture (say HOP) may see glowstringing as being in a different category as one from a different culture (say GS.com).


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TheWibbler
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Posted:hmm... I'm still not really down with this whole snow analogy, but i've got a much clearer idea why glokids wanna distance themselves from poi spinners ubblol

wonder if i can remember my gsc password?


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TheWibbler
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Posted:SO i've just read this over on gsc http://www.glowsticking.com/about.php


Which makes for an interesting read.

Whilst learning poi i spent quite a while at raves, did my fair share of spinning glowsticks, even learnt how to do lots of wraps in quick sucession, even used to catch my glosticks and do a little freehand

Poi in britain came from the rave culture too you know, and to be perfectly frank poi and glostringing are the same thing. I think that glokids perception of poi spinners is equally as twisted as poi spinners perception of glokids.

I admit they are slightly different genres of the same thing, you couldn't say glostringing is poi and you couldn't say poi is glostringing, but imo they are the same.

I've seen people with glowsticks who spin like poi spinners and i've seen people with fire spin like glowsringers. The lines are so blurred as to seem totally rediculous to me.

Anyhoo, i'm off to gsc to have a nose round the forums


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onewheeldave
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Posted:Written by: spherculist


Poi in britain came from the rave culture too you know,



No it didn't.


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NYC
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Posted:Oh wait, lemme grab some chips and soda before this one starts...

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Jo
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Posted:I would certainly agree with the statement "poi in Britain SPRANG out of the rave culture"



ie. it existed but really took off in the clubs/raves.



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Posted:oh yeah.. well my poi can kick your poi's censored anyday... nana

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Posted:So OWD where did poi culture spring from in Britain?

Ive also asked this question a number of times, but Ive yet to hear a detailed answers on this topic.

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Posted:I'm interested in this too, since the rave culture in england can be traced back to what like the 70's or so in manchester.. (not saying that is where I think it came from.. just stating that I would hope that poi had an earlier start in england thatn that.. )

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