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mixinluv2u
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Posted:Just curious, how do you guys view glowstringing?

couple questions to focus/start off the discussion:

Is glowstringing and poi one and the same or different? If it's different then how do you define glowstringing and seperate the two?

Do glowstringers have a unique set of moves outside of traditional poi moves?

Should the difference in each tool/medium (glowstring vs sock poi vs fire poi) be emphasized? Or should all of them be spun the same way?

How do you define/develop style and originality in poi? Should the same principles of style and originality be applied to glowstringing? Or can glowstringing have their own principles and methodologies?

Are there differences in cultural background and philosophy between poi and glowstringing?


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Jo
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Posted:oh dear I just read that NYC:...



"I may have to break out the wet noodle."



Noooo! I'll stop! promise... (except isolations can only physically be harder... tension = 0 at bla bla... sorry. wink wink )



Jo. smile

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Cynicdave1
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Posted:yes, but the same point what OWD made about some tools being better for others.

i COULD make a statue with play-doe, but i will most likely want to make it out of stone


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TheBovrilMonkey
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Posted:Written by: mcp


Did anybody else *really* want to see some model railroaders argueing?

offtopic

no seriously?

bye



I did, I reckon it'd be great to watch

'My BR A4 Guillemot's better than your Hogwarts Express loco replica'

ubbrollsmile


But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.

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mixinluv2u
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Posted:go ahead and design a new poi head if you wish. which i believe is what NYC is working on. he made fire wick that emulates a lighter glowstick... so that he can perform more "glowstring-oriented" moves.

why do i have to quantify it? try it out and see what's better or worse. use the best tool to what you want to do.

or work backwards like me, there's already an established community for glowsticking (both freehand and glowstring). and the general standards for the dancing tool is glowsticks. most glowstringers attach the glowsticks on shoelaces. so use this as the standard... and find out what the best moves to do with glowstrings are.


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NYC
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Posted:Let's sidetrack the glowchallenges (which I'm very excited about) to here:
I can do anything you can do, worse.

And return this thread to the original topic.

(Go UCOF Go! And video tape it. And thanks a billion for the psytrance!)


Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]

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UCOF
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Posted:"with buddies like UCoF and others with actual skills"

You sayin' im crap?

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Cynicdave1
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Posted:I'm not meaning to leave anyone out, and I apologize for it.

What i mean by glowsticking, are those in favor of calling it such. most of you are calling what you do poi. that's fine. so obviously you place your roots amongst the poists on this site.

when people look at it the other way, call what they do glowstringing and glowsticking, and have a large community to back it up, then it becomes something different doesn't it? basicallly, many of you do not consider yourself glowstickers, or even differentiate between those that do and those that don't (read one wheel dave's argument about that) so how can you say you are part of the community that I'm supposedly ignoring?

i'm not putting down anyone, or anyone's skills, but I am making a valid point about cultural differences.


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UCOF
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Posted:ahhh..

so you are saying that glowsticking and poi are different.



Right?



Could it not just be, that people from Glowsticking.com call themselves Glowstickers, and people from Home of Poi call themselves Poiers or Poicopaths.



Seems like that way to me to be honest. smile

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Cynicdave1
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Posted:"one question only CynicD:



in your oppinion, who is glowsticking.com?



you + administration?



or the community you guys built?



Jo. "



I don't know why this question is being asked, I suppose it could be seen to illustrate the tyrrancy that is my administration if I answer wrongly, but:



Glowsticking.com is a commmunity we built that is led by the administration, staff members, and the combined opinions of all the members. The longer you are on the site, the more you help by promoting glowsticking.com in your area, or by holding meetups and other events, or helping out with the forum or other hard work, you become promoted. Since we are not a company, we rely on volunteerism. The longer you are on the site, and the more you push forward our particular brand of culture (which was evolved and created through debates like this since 1999).



The reason why it works is because most people have met each other somehow in real life. So we feel a stronger bond than discussing forever on the internet our arguments and debates (and once again, not saying we are better than Poi people, I'm sure many of you have met each other before and have just as strong communities). we have seen battles gone wrong. i have seen people getting stabbed at raves, people fighting over girls, etc. We at the same time have had a lot of fun together, so people on glowsticking.com that tend to actually show up to the meetups, find a very friendly crowd that isn't exclusive at all, no matter what it may seem online.

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mcp
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Posted:Written by: TheBovrilMonkey

Written by: mcp


Did anybody else *really* want to see some model railroaders argueing?

offtopic

no seriously?

bye



I did, I reckon it'd be great to watch

'My BR A4 Guillemot's better than your Hogwarts Express loco replica'

ubbrollsmile



I think you'll find that since My Hogwarts Express is a replica of a fantastical locomotive, it can't be compared to your one. And anyway, mine goes faster. smile

And you sound like you know your stuff... Something you're not telling us?


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"the still legendary" - Kaskade

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Cynicdave1
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Posted:"ahhh..
so you are saying that glowsticking and poi are different.

Right?

Could it not just be, that people from Glowsticking.com call themselves Glowstickers, and people from Home of Poi call themselves Poiers or Poicopaths.

Seems like that way to me to be honest"

it seems to me that you are ignoring the rest of the thread from what i said. the part about culture is a very small portion of the rest.

yes, that's ONE reason. not the major reason, nor even a good minor reason when taken out of context.


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TheBovrilMonkey
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Posted:I maintain that I know nothing about model railways, merely did a google-durbs and found the hornby website biggrin
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NYC
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Posted:Yeah, UCoF, actually the folks at GS.C wink have spent a bunch of time coming up with some quality definitions of what they call 'glowsticking'.

Maybe if you posted it here CDave, the kids here could see what you guys have come up with.

This is really nice to see, I gotta tell you.

One of those "You guys need to meet each other" kind of moments.


Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]

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Jo
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Posted:http://www.ultimateguidetomodeltrains.com/?hop=fmarketing
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and that's what I think about trains.



edit - this was just supposed to be funny, in case anyone reads into it smile



Jo. wink wink

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mcp
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Posted:god! Who needs porn, when you have the ultimate guide to model trains?!?!

Er.

I'll get my coat.


"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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TheBovrilMonkey
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Posted:
Only $27.77 eh? It's tempting, I've always wanted to know how to lay rock so my train will roll.

smile


But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.

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mixinluv2u
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Posted:Written by: NYC

Yeah, UCoF, actually the folks at GS.C wink have spent a bunch of time coming up with some quality definitions of what they call 'glowsticking'.

Maybe if you posted it here CDave, the kids here could see what you guys have come up with.

This is really nice to see, I gotta tell you.

One of those "You guys need to meet each other" kind of moments.



posted on page 5.

ttp://www.glowsticking.com/about.php

=)


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KaelGotRice
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Posted:How much cross over is there?

Let's find out biggrin

wink

*Kael dances around in pink ubbrollsmile


To do: More Firedrums 08 video?
Wildfire/US East coast fire footage
LA/EDC glow/fire footage
Fresno fire

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Dr_Molly
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Posted:Written by: mcp

god! Who needs porn, when you have the ultimate guide to model trains?!?!

Er.

I'll get my coat.



you haven't seen the little model train bystander figures shagging!
and NO I won't give you the link spank


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TheBovrilMonkey
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Posted:eek

But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.

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mcp
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Posted:eek eek eek eek

"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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Rev
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Posted:I beg to differ Dave as someone who is a part of the rave culture I would ahve to say that your seubsect is not the largest by any means.. perhaps it is the largest site on the net but that again is because what glowsticking claims to be about and the number of people there that can't voice their opinion...

I would be willing to say that there are more glowstringers in 3 states that don't follow your subsect... and that that would be exponentially more worldwide.. because glowstringing is more than your subset.. which inherently menas that anyone who does not act like wes.. is not part of your culture.. whihc accounts for a majority of the people on gs.c.. I seem to remember a poll that pointed that out.. on gs.c no less..

and as far as wraps and physics go.. you have nothing wes..

F=ma... no you can expand this formula in to an account of centrifugal force, but it doesnt operate significantly different.. now you are arguing that more massive slower poi.. lets say mass 5, a of .5 (f=2.5) is somehow different from the lighter glowstick m= .5 that spins much faster a=5 (f=2.5)... not to mention when you shorten or lengthen the chain making it even easier to close any differential gaps by altering the diameter of the circle being spun.. whihc inherently will fine tune any speed, force changes that are needed.. sure they are going to 'feel' different.. but they by no means spin any different.. the difference in feel comes in from the difference in the difference of the variables.. not the outcome.. take 20 balls worht of ball chain and monkey fists.. and you can do all the wrpa combos I do with my glowsticks.. (whic are only longer by about an 1" or so, to line up the center of mass of the glowstick with the proper bounce point of the monkey fist.. )


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Confusing the masses, one post at a time...
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mixinluv2u
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Posted:if it's the same then i guess we shall see in that other thread NYC started.



also keep in mind that "can" do a certain move sometimes doesn't mean much if you can't get the same effect or if it simply looks sloppy and ugly. "technically" the same doesn't not equal the same.



for example, hyperloop and orbit airwrap is technically the same, but visually it's so different that i rather call them different than same.

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UCOF
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Posted:Which Dave?



Theres one with half a bicycle, and another who doesnt believe anyone

umm


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Rovo
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Posted:After all this arguing I don't really seem to get what the point of saying whether glowstringing is or isn't poi. It's all basically the same thing. If a glowstringer stopped wrapping and did the other tricks they know how to do, what would they be doing? Spinning poi with glowsticks? This whole debate seems kind of pointless. So what if a few moves can't be transferred it's still spinning even if it's all broken up with wraps. The glow people say poi moves are all the same and can't be made unique but thats not so. Once you stop spinning moves and start using the concepts you break the moves apart in to unique "combos" similar to what glowstringers do with wraps. This whole debate just seems to be stirring up a bunch of trouble.

Peace, Love, Circles

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mixinluv2u
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Posted:Written by: ICoN


Written by:
'body movement' is a very difficult concept to transfer from poi to glowsticks.



I concur with this. My style is pretty heavy on body movement and while I can rollerskate doing anti-spin butterfly flowers with normal poi, I look like a total newb with a set of glow sticks. Now, perhaps its because I dont practice with sticks ever but I think it really does have something to do with the weight and speed at which heavier poi perform.





glowstringers do not say all poi moves are the same. we say all poi moves are the same DONE WITH GLOWSTICKS ON STRINGS due to their light weight. ICoN feels the same difficulty during his attempt.



just like how those people who say everything is transferable between all tool claims that you are not trying hard enough for the transfer.



i'm going to say that not everything is transferable, and if you "can transfer all your moves between all tools" then you must not be trying hard enough to differentiate.

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let's for the sake of this argument say that both of the above points are equally valid. which one do you think advances the art? when all your effort is put into this "transfusion" nothing new is really coming up. all you are doing is trying to duplicate what's already been done with a different tool.



while if you focus on differentiation, you are pushing the envelope for something new. whether it be glowstrings, fire poi, or sock poi. if you look at what each tool is good at doing, focus on it, and think about these tool-specific moves, the whole "swinging stuff on string" dance will advance as a whole.

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TheBovrilMonkey
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Posted:Written by:

when all your effort is put into this "transfusion" nothing new is really coming up. all you are doing is trying to duplicate what's already been done with a different tool.




Have you invented all of the moves you spin yourself, or have you learnt any from someone else? Just like learning a new move from someone else, transfering them between toys is very valuable, because it usually throws up new variations and moves.

Also, if someone posted a video of themselves doing string wraps and link catches with fire poi, it'd almost certainly inspire lots of people to break out their poi and work on similar things. Again, spawning new moves as lots more people think about them and develop off in different directions.


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Jo
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Posted:"we say all poi moves are the same DONE WITH GLOWSTICKS ON STRINGS"



I disagree. (edited)



(edited)



Jo. smile

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Posted:Written by: Unfortunatly Can Obtain Fruit

Which Dave?

Theres one with half a bicycle, and another who doesnt believe anyone
umm




I don't ride half a bicycle, I ride a full unicycle- a machine that dispenses with the unecessary and inelegant gadgetry (extra wheel, brakes and gears) tagged on to bikes to make up for their riders inability to balance properly smile


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UCOF
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Posted:ubblol

hug2

(I could have said, I know.. you are the one that that doesnt believe anyone wink )


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