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Analemma


Analemma

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Posted:I was just wondering biggrin

The One Handed Butterfly seems to always rotate to the left.
(Poi in the right hand; Thumbend Anticlockwise; Pinkyend Clockwise)

Now I am here on the northern hemisphere where our drains drain to the left too ( LINK ).
So you guys on the southern hemisphere - where do your One Handed Butterflies rotate to ?!?

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onewheeldave
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Posted:The hemisphere you're in doesn't affect it; it depends on which hand you're using, and which poi is on top.



My usual one handed butterfly is in the left hand with thumb end poi going clockwise, and it turns to the right.



If I do it in the right hand with thumb end anti-clockwise (like you) it goes to the left.



I've also heard recently, and it is just what I've heard so I'm not going to say it's definitly the case; that the thing about plug hole drain direction and hemisphere, is also a bit of a myth.



EDIT---as the link you've provided states, now that I've gone to the effort of looking at it--- redface

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MikeIcon
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Posted:Im in northern hemi and they rotate left.

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Analemma


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Posted:3 Northerners to the left - who is going to the right?

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Rev
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Rev

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Posted:wtf?

what do you mean rotate? like can you not keep them constant? or are you turning them, but can't turn them the other way? either way I must be an exception.. or incredibly stupid since I don't understand turn... but then again.. I don't hold them the way you speak... it puts the poi too far apart..


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Dunc
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Posted:wow Rev can spin poi in butterfly without them rotating! eek wink



Oh and the plug hole thing is a myth, well almost. It happens on a super large scale like in weather systems but won't affect things like your kitchen sink. They all go the same way no matter which end you're at smile



Oh and mine are pinky poi anti-clockwise, thumb poi clockwise.


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onewheeldave
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Posted:Written by: Rev


wtf?



what do you mean rotate? like can you not keep them constant? or are you turning them, but can't turn them the other way? either way I must be an exception.. or incredibly stupid since I don't understand turn... but then again.. I don't hold them the way you speak... it puts the poi too far apart..





It means that the planes of the poi turn- if you start facing forwards you gradually have to turn one way or the other.



The effect is much increased when the poi are held further apart (ie thumb end and pinky)- if you hold them together there's less turning (but they're harder to control).



You can stop the turning, but it's something you have to do consciously- you're constantly adjusting for them.



Another way of counteracting the turn is to learn to be able to do one-hand-bfly in both hands- you can then develop combinations where there's several beats of left hand one-hand-bfly, then switch (via a few beats of thread the needle, maybe) into right hand one-hand-bfly; this leaves you facing forwards in one direction through-out.



(like I said though- this is when you're holding the poi far apart, thumb end and pinky).


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minimaniac


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Posted:i will agree that doing 2poi in both hands helps with keep the planes straight!

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Stout
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Posted:Actually,,,,when you spin the one handed butterfly in the southern hemisphere, you end up spinning the REVERSE one handed b/f,,for some strange reason I couldn't get this pattern started at all when I tried it right on the equator.

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Posted:I can't do a one handed butterfly but when I flush my poi down the toilet they go clockwise.

Does that help? wink


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stroo
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Posted:teehee...what happens if your on the border of the hemispheres?

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Rev
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Posted:well I guess I'm just weird.. but I hold one poi between the thumb and pointer finger... and the second poi right under it between the pointer and F*&^ off finger... my one handed butterflies are not even slightly hard to control.. infact that pretty much just bounce on their own, you just kinda move your hand where you want them to be.. quite clean I might add.. I'd almost go as far as to say cleaner than my two handed butterflies.. and the best part is that you can take and turn you hand CW until the butterfly is upside down and then turn it CCW until it turns trightside up and then upside down the other way... and it bounces between those positions really easily.. it just takes a few minutes to get comfortable with an upsidedown one handed bf..


and I guess having them that close together jsut stops the turn all together.. I do say that it does make split time a bit awkward when you hold them this way.. but I haven't really played that much with split time one handed bf's either htough..

*shrug*


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PoiElf
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Posted:Dito Rev's way off holding poi and mine don't rotate either (unless they bounce off each othe Heehee) Ive not tried split timing onehanded bf, but can see how they could be a problem in this hand hold. I agree that it makes it pretty clean and easier.
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Pigeon_Wigeon
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Dunc
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Posted:Written by: Rev
and I guess having them that close together jsut stops the turn all together.. I do say that it does make split time a bit awkward when you hold them this way.. but I haven't really played that much with split time one handed bf's either htough..



Just try turning your hand 90 degrees (which way is your preference of fist up or down) and moving left/right/left instead of up/down/up, should make the split time as easy as same time, if you fancy it.

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Rev
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Posted:yeah.. that works.. but I meant using the same hand position.. sorry if I was misleading.. I don't change my hand position when I do split time butterflies two handed.. I don't see why I should have to change that with onehanded stuff.. sure it gets the job done.. but I don't learn the proper control either..

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Stout
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Posted:I'm liking Rev's way of holding the poi, I learned the one handed butterfly by holding my poi as far apart as possible, and never thought to change at all, but I did changed a few nights ago, I find it has a better feel, but my planes are a little more difficult to control.

As for turning my hand,,that's going to take a little more practice


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jonathan


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Posted:i reckon its all in the wrist. the good thing about a one handed butterfly is that it can go inwards, outwards and then you can swap which poi is going in front and behind. but knowing which way the poi can move isnt the same as knowing how to do it. i still maintain that if you walk right then all these technical moves flow naturally into one another as a consequence of the move spreceeding them. its not that one handed butterflies wont work unless you walk around with them................. but it kinda is. lots of moves i can do with 4 poi wouldnt work if the footwork wasnt there

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Dragon7
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Posted:It depends what poi is on top. I think if its the right poi on top it pulls left, or vica versa.

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Nucleopoi
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Posted:im in the northern hemisphere and the poi rotate left whichever hand i have them in.

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Icer
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Posted:in the south mine rotate to the left, holding them in the right. havnt tried it in my left yet, not too keen one the one hand bf so dont really do it too much, but when i do its to the left i go...

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tadpole
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Posted:I'm in the south, I hold them much like Rev describes and they drift to the right when held in my right hand. Not sure about left hand.

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Richee
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Posted:
Rev dont be vulgar, smile.

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Rev
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Posted:censored man.... what the censored are you censored talking about? wink ubblol

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pricklyleaf
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Posted:Well my poi start rotating right depending which way i hold them, but then after 4-5 hours they start ging back in the other direction wink

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ma'tina
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Posted:in the beginning they rotated to the left, now they stay where they are supposed to be - means where I want them to be, not the other way round anymore like in the beginning that I had to follow my poi where they were going....

so a bit lefty, otherwise neither nor

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Gav486
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Posted:I reckon it's all to do with your wrist. You can resist the outward forces that the poi exert on your hand much easier than the inward forces, so the planes tend to bend inward.

This seems to be a newie problem though (at least it was for me); as when you learn to keep your wrist straight, the problem goes away.


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