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Computer viruses can replicate/adapt at astonishing speed compared to anything in nature
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what ya think?
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Written by: flidi think the word current is missing from that statement, i think the sort of thing jo is talking about is the sort of research being done at places like the sandia national labs into cyber agents but the evil version of bear in mind this articles now 5 years old (hehe i remember reading that when i started my phd happy days) .
Computer viruses can't adapt at all, other than a bit of crappy AI they may have.
Written by: flidat the moment maybe thats debateable, is it possible? definately, take the work of Adrian Thompson at the center for computational neuroscience at the university of sussex, hes using evolutionary techinques with genetic algorithms on FPGAs (field programable gate arrays) so create circuits to solve a problem making use of physical phenomenon that we dont know about, one example of his work is a tone discriminator, your average geeky university professor would most likely tell u that its impossible to make one with 100 cells, however Thompsons work is able to do it with just 32 cells, 5 of the cells where only connected to each other and no other part of the circuit but taking them away caused the circuit to fail. Point being artificial evolution can go through thousands of generations very quickly if its directed to a particular task and can evolve things that make use of relations that we arnt even aware of and function in ways that we dont understand.
There's no such thing as a computer virus that's evolved itself.
Written by: onewheeldaveIts possible but highly improbible, heres why, the random data corruption would have to result in it not only self replicating but also transmitting to another machine, whats more the code has to be run to replicate in running if its corrupt then the application thats using it will fail and result in human intervension of some form. Id agree they arnt all written by hackers though i recon the vast majority are written by the antivirus companys
Lastly, and this is something I've mentioned before, of all the Gigillions of viruses on the net at the moment, can we say that all of them were created by human hackers?
I'm suggesting that maybe some could have arrisen due to random data corruption that happened to result in a self-replicating data structure. This would fit in with your evolution hypothesis.
Written by: Joby your definition of intelligence surely computer game badies in the newer video games are intelligent, they have a self awareness of their life/body (restricted movement for injuries) and adapt to the players game play hence creativity so that each time the game is played its different. defining intelligence its very very tricky. also chess was once considered a game requiring much intelligence but the world chess champion was defeated back in 97 (if memory serves)
At the moment no computer/program can be considered even close to achieving AI.
Written by: JoI think for such a thing to happen would require a "god" program to be unleashed onto the internet to hunt out viruses give them dna and a genetic breading program that introduces random mutations. a similar less evil version of programs evolving and roaming round a network with different nodes on the network having different conditions for adaption has been done before, i think it was called cosmos.
Evolved, mutated, and/or combined viruses that have lost their initial intensions and are bumbling around cyberspace oblivious to the fact they are destined to become vastly more intelligent than humans... through natural/artificial selection...
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Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourself, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous and talented? Who are you NOT to be?
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourself, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous and talented? Who are you NOT to be?
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i agree that i dont think its likely that programs malfunctioning will evolve viruses.
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Written by: Jo
no-one could really argue that a game charactor has intelligence... can they??... /quote] that they currently have a human level of intelligence, definately not, that they can have a human level of intelligence theres alot of scope for discussion there, that they have some form of intelligence once again its debateable. do dogs have intelligence? do ants have intelligence? do plants have intelligence? do bacteria have intelligence? wheres the line get drawn?Written by: Jowhich era of earth are u refering to? hadean where it was devoid of life being a big molten glob but full of chemicals? Archaean where there was rain and seas full of chemicals? proterozoic when there where cool things like dna and rna running around and cells n stuff starting to emerge? can you elaborate on what you see the similarities to be
I actually think cyberspace does fairly accurately represent the early stages of earth evolution..Written by: Joi disagree, the nature of the rain and moltern earth caused cracks in the ocean floor which poured out bubbles of steam full of chemicals and gases which could only result in life. if you get two flasks join them with tubing one with water in it and the other containinthe gases in the atmosphere at the time boil the water let it mix and zap it with electricity (simulating lightning) at the end of a week or so you will have lots of organic compounds including amino acids that are only produced in living organisms. this was done at yale back in teh 50s, later on they also managed to produce fatty acids and the chemical compounds that are the building blocks of dna and rna. because of the madness on earth life was bound to emerge
Although the environment is 'designed' to kill viruses etc, that could be said of the natural madness that was Earth.Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourself, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous and talented? Who are you NOT to be?
Written by: onewheeldavearound the 2 kb size for a well written virus
1. Firstly, what's the lower limit in file size, in Bits, that a self-replicatingvirus type program can be (or what's typical actual sizes of virus files)?
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2. What's (roughly) the amount of data (in Bits) content of the whole web?
Written by: onewheeldavethe average brain has 100,000,000,000 neurons which are interconnected with up to around 10,000 interconnections, also its now thought that memories may not necessarily be stored at any one point of the brain but may possibly be the superposition pattern of all the neurons firing, so um looooooots
(as a small digression, which may be relevant later, does anyone here know (roughly) how much data the human brain can hold?)
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3. On average, what proportion of computer process actions create a corruption of data?
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Any sufficiently complex system will exhibit nondeterministic behaviour
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Systems that follow the second law of thermodynamics evolve with time to maximal entropy and complete disorder, destroying any order initially present. Cellular automata are examples of mathematical systems which may instead exhibit ``self-organizing'' behaviour (1) Even starting from complete disorder, their irreversible evolution can spontaneously generate ordered structure. One coarse indication of such self-organization is a decrease of entropy with time. This paper discusses an approach to a more complete mathematical characterization of self-organizing processes in cellular automata, and possible quantitative measures of the ``complexity'' generated by them. The evolution of cellular automata is viewed as a computation which processes information specified as the initial state. The structure of the output from such information processing is then described using the mathematical theory of formal languages (e.g. [6--8]). Detailed results and examples for simpler cases are presented, and some general conjectures are outlined. Computation and formal language theory may in general be expected to play a role in the theory of non-equilibrium and self-organizing systems analogous to the role of information theory in conventional statistical mechanics.
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Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourself, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous and talented? Who are you NOT to be?