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Posted:
Hellloooo
some of you may know the nice subtle sparky effect that Titanium flake can give your poi.
What I want to know is this:
What mesh size is best and which company do you get your supplies from?
Decent price?
nice one folks
Hellloooo
some of you may know the nice subtle sparky effect that Titanium flake can give your poi.
What I want to know is this:
What mesh size is best and which company do you get your supplies from?
Decent price?
nice one folks
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Location: Hampshire College, MA, USA
Posted:
i think that "titanium flake" is the best thread name i've seen in a while. sounds kinda like a band name
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i think that "titanium flake" is the best thread name i've seen in a while. sounds kinda like a band name
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-James
"How do you know if you're happy or sad without a mask? Or angry? Or ready for dessert?"
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Posted:
yep
either that or some really cruel invention by cadburys
yep
either that or some really cruel invention by cadburys
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addict
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Posted:
ZOMFG!!! THATS CLASSIC
Written by: squarefish
yep
either that or some really cruel invention by cadburys
ZOMFG!!! THATS CLASSIC
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fair luna moon, fair luna bright
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Posted:
*Bump*
I started it, so I'm bumping it,
so there!
*end of bumping*
*Bump*
I started it, so I'm bumping it,
so there!
*end of bumping*
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Your friendly neighbourhood mad scientist
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Location: Over the hills and far away, United Kingdom
Your friendly neighbourhood mad scientist
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Location: Over the hills and far away, United Kingdom
Posted:
Well bumped!
Mmmm... Titanium.
Well bumped!
Mmmm... Titanium.
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Lv15 Ranger
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Lv15 Ranger
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Posted:
It's a Mars bar that can withstand tens of thousands of tonnes of pressure!
Saftey food (from Montey Python I think)!
It's a Mars bar that can withstand tens of thousands of tonnes of pressure!
Saftey food (from Montey Python I think)!
Kupo!
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Your friendly neighbourhood mad scientist
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Your friendly neighbourhood mad scientist
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Location: Over the hills and far away, United Kingdom
Posted:
Chocolate that doesn't melt in your hand. Or anywhere, for that matter...
Chocolate that doesn't melt in your hand. Or anywhere, for that matter...
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--Konstantin Stanislavisky
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journeyman
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Location: Wisconsin, USA
journeyman
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Location: Wisconsin, USA
Posted:
titanium flake?? never heard of it, tell me more about this por favor?
titanium flake?? never heard of it, tell me more about this por favor?
"Runs with Scissors"
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journeyman
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Location: Wisconsin, USA
journeyman
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Location: Wisconsin, USA
Posted:
Well thanks, could have figured that part out on my own.
I'm asking, where do you aquire such material, and when aquired how do you apply to poi.
Well thanks, could have figured that part out on my own.
I'm asking, where do you aquire such material, and when aquired how do you apply to poi.
"Runs with Scissors"
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(...trusty steed of the rodeo midget...)
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(...trusty steed of the rodeo midget...)
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Location: the state of flux, Ireland
Posted:
Application is simple, fuel up your poi as normal, then roll in the flaked metal.
Light the poi and begin spinning, as the poi heat up and pass through the air the T-flake begins to fall away gradually, passing through the flame being heated and igniting on contact with the air.
The effect is much safer and more subtle than wire wool and can be used in much smaller performance spaces.
It looks sort of like trails of "pixie dust sparkles" following your poi, Very noice indeed.
Saw a chappy using this in LA but never got the chance to ask him where he got his supply.
Application is simple, fuel up your poi as normal, then roll in the flaked metal.
Light the poi and begin spinning, as the poi heat up and pass through the air the T-flake begins to fall away gradually, passing through the flame being heated and igniting on contact with the air.
The effect is much safer and more subtle than wire wool and can be used in much smaller performance spaces.
It looks sort of like trails of "pixie dust sparkles" following your poi, Very noice indeed.
Saw a chappy using this in LA but never got the chance to ask him where he got his supply.
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journeyman
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Location: Wisconsin, USA
journeyman
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Location: Wisconsin, USA
Posted:
thanks squarefish
I will try to hunt some of this stuff down and post when I do such.
thanks squarefish
I will try to hunt some of this stuff down and post when I do such.
"Runs with Scissors"
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Your friendly neighbourhood mad scientist
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Location: Over the hills and far away, United Kingdom
Your friendly neighbourhood mad scientist
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Location: Over the hills and far away, United Kingdom
Posted:
That's cool actually, because titanium oxide is non-toxic and non corrosive...
That's cool actually, because titanium oxide is non-toxic and non corrosive...
"Love the art in yourself and not yourself in the art."
--Konstantin Stanislavisky
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enthusiast
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Location: Ireland
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Location: Ireland
Posted:
xan any ideas where to get this? presume it could be quite harmful for the kevlar though?
xan any ideas where to get this? presume it could be quite harmful for the kevlar though?
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Posted:
Nope, not at all harmfull to wicks.
Because it doesn't burn until it hits the air after passing through the flame and heating up.
Thats right Xan, it's pretty much biologically inert, uses for it include food colouring and toothpaste.
Nope, not at all harmfull to wicks.
Because it doesn't burn until it hits the air after passing through the flame and heating up.
Thats right Xan, it's pretty much biologically inert, uses for it include food colouring and toothpaste.
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Your friendly neighbourhood mad scientist
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Your friendly neighbourhood mad scientist
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Location: Over the hills and far away, United Kingdom
Posted:
Yeah. Wonderful stuff, titanium. They use it for bone pins and implants, because it actually helps bones to heal.
Where to get it though... Hmmm... *takes a look* Hah! Skylighter!
US-based fireworks hobby supplier. The stuff they sell also has a little aluminium and vanadium... That should be ok. Pure titanium's probably best though.
It ain't cheap either...
Yeah.
Wonderful stuff, titanium. They use it for bone pins and implants, because it actually helps bones to heal.Where to get it though... Hmmm... *takes a look* Hah! Skylighter!
US-based fireworks hobby supplier. The stuff they sell also has a little aluminium and vanadium... That should be ok. Pure titanium's probably best though.
It ain't cheap either...
"Love the art in yourself and not yourself in the art."
--Konstantin Stanislavisky
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Posted:
I'll see your "Hah!"
And raise you a "Muahahaha!!!"
A friend has put me in touch with someone who does lathe work for the aerospace industry, resulting in potential bags upon bags of loverly Titanium/magnesium alloy swarf.
Just waiting to be chopped into flake, yippeee!!
When I asked him whether it burns he got a pyro grin on his face and told me about the time a colleague of his switched on his CNC lathe and walked away from it, not realising that the coolant flow tube was kinked.......
He said that the glow lit up the whole room........
Like I said : muahahaha.
I'll see your "Hah!"
And raise you a "Muahahaha!!!"
A friend has put me in touch with someone who does lathe work for the aerospace industry, resulting in potential bags upon bags of loverly Titanium/magnesium alloy swarf.
Just waiting to be chopped into flake, yippeee!!
When I asked him whether it burns he got a pyro grin on his face and told me about the time a colleague of his switched on his CNC lathe and walked away from it, not realising that the coolant flow tube was kinked.......
He said that the glow lit up the whole room........
Like I said : muahahaha.
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Your friendly neighbourhood mad scientist
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Location: Over the hills and far away, United Kingdom
Your friendly neighbourhood mad scientist
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Location: Over the hills and far away, United Kingdom
Posted:
I can't match a Muahahaha. Man, I fold.
You're just getting stuff for free? That's wesome! Just be careful with the magnesium dude, the oxide from that stuff can be caustic.
So uh... Supposing you get lots and lots... Can I buy some titanium from you? In return, I'll... I don't know... make you some cookies or something.
I can't match a Muahahaha. Man, I fold.
You're just getting stuff for free? That's wesome! Just be careful with the magnesium dude, the oxide from that stuff can be caustic.
So uh... Supposing you get lots and lots... Can I buy some titanium from you?
In return, I'll... I don't know... make you some cookies or something. "Love the art in yourself and not yourself in the art."
--Konstantin Stanislavisky
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(...trusty steed of the rodeo midget...)
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Location: the state of flux, Ireland
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Posted:
Just as long as you put a flake on top.
Just as long as you put a flake on top.
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Posted:
Gahh!
A CHOCOLATE flake you crazy fool!!!
ur..
As for sending some your way, well maybe. it depends on how much I get, where do you live anyway?
In orbit above my house would put you at 42,164 km (26,200 miles) up assuming you are in a Geosynchronous orbit.
Uhh...... I can't throw that far. Does this mean that I am weak?
Gahh!
A CHOCOLATE flake you crazy fool!!!
ur..
As for sending some your way, well maybe. it depends on how much I get, where do you live anyway?
In orbit above my house would put you at 42,164 km (26,200 miles) up assuming you are in a Geosynchronous orbit.
Uhh...... I can't throw that far. Does this mean that I am weak?
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Your friendly neighbourhood mad scientist
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Location: Over the hills and far away, United Kingdom
Your friendly neighbourhood mad scientist
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Location: Over the hills and far away, United Kingdom
Posted:
Hehehe... Actually, I'm in the UK, so no rockets or throwing skills required... Though if you're not, I might need to check it's legal to import. I have a feeling there are laws about transporting some metals.
Ah, here we are...
MSDS
Apparently it's hazard class is 4.2 Materials liable to spontaneous combustion
Pesky legislations...
Hehehe...
Actually, I'm in the UK, so no rockets or throwing skills required... Though if you're not, I might need to check it's legal to import. I have a feeling there are laws about transporting some metals.Ah, here we are...
MSDS
Apparently it's hazard class is 4.2 Materials liable to spontaneous combustion
Pesky legislations...
"Love the art in yourself and not yourself in the art."
--Konstantin Stanislavisky
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(...trusty steed of the rodeo midget...)
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Legal...phfth! When has that ever stopped anyone?
oh, wait, um...
I'll keep you posted as to how I get on, I'm calling The Man tonight.
Legal...phfth! When has that ever stopped anyone?
oh, wait, um...
I'll keep you posted as to how I get on, I'm calling The Man tonight.
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Your friendly neighbourhood mad scientist
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Location: Over the hills and far away, United Kingdom
Your friendly neighbourhood mad scientist
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Posted:
Cool cool.
Cool cool.
"Love the art in yourself and not yourself in the art."
--Konstantin Stanislavisky
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enthusiast
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Location: Ireland
enthusiast
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Location: Ireland
Posted:
can tell ya now dont try ship through DHL... we wont take it see i helped!!
can tell ya now dont try ship through DHL... we wont take it
see i helped!! SILVER Member
Your friendly neighbourhood mad scientist
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Location: Over the hills and far away, United Kingdom
Your friendly neighbourhood mad scientist
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Posted:
Definitely worth knowing, dude.
Definitely worth knowing, dude.
"Love the art in yourself and not yourself in the art."
--Konstantin Stanislavisky
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(...trusty steed of the rodeo midget...)
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Posted:
Yeee!
Titanium swarf is in the hizeee!
Just need to chop it into flake and we'll be in business, need to grade it by size as well, still for free though so I don't mind a little work to get things going.
Xan: PM me your address and we'll sort some thing out.
M
Yeee! Titanium swarf is in the hizeee!
Just need to chop it into flake and we'll be in business, need to grade it by size as well, still for free though so I don't mind a little work to get things going.
Xan: PM me your address and we'll sort some thing out.
M
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Location: Perth, Australia
Carpal \'Tunnel
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Location: Perth, Australia
Posted:
Dexta on HOP sells the stuff fyredanz.com.
You will have to PM her to get more details.
Dexta on HOP sells the stuff fyredanz.com.
You will have to PM her to get more details.
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Nice one, thanks Gnor.
Even the most basic of information such as the best flake size to be aiming for would be invaluable.
As in valuable. very.
Not not valuable.
Because I wouldn't say that.
Cos It wouldn't be true.....*blah*, *waffle*, *contextual frenzy*...
PM on its way.....
Nice one, thanks Gnor.
Even the most basic of information such as the best flake size to be aiming for would be invaluable.
As in valuable. very.
Not not valuable.
Because I wouldn't say that.
Cos It wouldn't be true.....*blah*, *waffle*, *contextual frenzy*...
PM on its way.....
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Location: Perth, Australia
Carpal \'Tunnel
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Location: Perth, Australia
Posted:
The Goose mixes his titanium flakes from ickle to flakes in a secret family recipe. That you may have to pry out of him with thumbtacks or by simpy talking to him.
You can also try iron filings. Im told they work as well. For me much cheaper as I go to the shed with a big magnet in a bag and pick up a heap.
The Goose mixes his titanium flakes from ickle to flakes in a secret family recipe. That you may have to pry out of him with thumbtacks or by simpy talking to him.
You can also try iron filings. Im told they work as well. For me much cheaper as I go to the shed with a big magnet in a bag and pick up a heap.
Is it the Truth?
Is it Fair to all concerned?
Will it build Goodwill and Better Friendships?
Will it be Beneficial to all concerned?
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burner
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Location: Perth, Australia
burner
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Location: Perth, Australia
Posted:
Soooooooooo....I can give you the low-down on titanium as I know it....
In Western Australia, in order to get titanium powder (flake - same thing) you need to have a West Australian Theatrical Pyrotechnics License. The titanium powder is one of the main ingredients in pyrotechnics so you buy it from a pyrotechnics supplier. To buy it in large quantities (as we do) you need the pyro license. To on-sell it in small quantities (like 200g) you don't need the license as the buyer. (Does that make sense?)
The laws may be more relaxed in the US and UK as pyros can be bought over the counter without a license so maybe titanium powder can as well.
Your best bet is to call a pyrotechnics supplier and ask them about getting your hands on titanium powder.
As for size of flakes....they come in 4 grades (sizes) here, from almost dust to bits about 2mm wide. We've found that mixing the 3 smaller grades in equal parts works best. This is because when you just spin at normal speed the bigger bits fly off, when you spin faster the medium bits fly off and when you whack the fire toy on something the tiny bits fly off.
Incidently, if you whack a heap of the powder on poi they look like pyros when you spin them. Super cool on snakes!
If you're struggling to find a local supplier of the powder, email me at hana@fyredanz.com and I can supply you some in the right mix
Soooooooooo....I can give you the low-down on titanium as I know it....
In Western Australia, in order to get titanium powder (flake - same thing) you need to have a West Australian Theatrical Pyrotechnics License. The titanium powder is one of the main ingredients in pyrotechnics so you buy it from a pyrotechnics supplier. To buy it in large quantities (as we do) you need the pyro license. To on-sell it in small quantities (like 200g) you don't need the license as the buyer. (Does that make sense?)
The laws may be more relaxed in the US and UK as pyros can be bought over the counter without a license so maybe titanium powder can as well.
Your best bet is to call a pyrotechnics supplier and ask them about getting your hands on titanium powder.
As for size of flakes....they come in 4 grades (sizes) here, from almost dust to bits about 2mm wide. We've found that mixing the 3 smaller grades in equal parts works best. This is because when you just spin at normal speed the bigger bits fly off, when you spin faster the medium bits fly off and when you whack the fire toy on something the tiny bits fly off.
Incidently, if you whack a heap of the powder on poi they look like pyros when you spin them. Super cool on snakes!
If you're struggling to find a local supplier of the powder, email me at hana@fyredanz.com and I can supply you some in the right mix
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