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UCOF
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Posted:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4363075.stm
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What are your opinions on what has been done?


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faith enfire
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Posted:yup
oh i'm an addict, i'm trying to get help, works for my friends everytime
even trusted sellers get a bad batch sometimes though trying to make ends meet
ex ended up in the hospital once because the guy cut it with meth, the white not the green
it apparently is all shwaggy around here, but the hippies are all trust funders who don't know any better


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Nado


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Posted:I hope im not cross posting here.

Ok so we all agree that tobacco and alcohol have worses affects than pot.

The question that remains is why are those to legal and pot isn't

IMHO it is because the government can not effectively tax pot. It is too easy to grow.

As for giving up i tried cold turkey, nope didn't work. Hypnotism worked a treat and only after 2 sessions.

While i still smoke every now and then, it no longer has a hold on me as it does. The craving went away after the first session. I guess the second session was just to reinforce the work done by the first session.

If there is anyone in brisbane who is interested in trying it PM me. The lady i went to was a wonderful grandmothery type person. She was wonderful, she also does other stuff like , quit cigs, weight loss, anxiety problems etc. She had this big bucket full of packets of cigarettes that she gets her patients to dump her cigs in before they start the session. Nobody picks their packet up on the way out.

She is also a qualified naturopath and scientific palm reader (fascinating stuff) it was well worth the $45 per session.

-N


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Posted:At least the green here is still prety good from what I've seen, actualy better than it used to be thanks to canada. Had some good E for some time, but now back to mostly meth bombs or B's from what I hear. Sid is mostly bunk too. The rest of the psychedelics are good too. I don't mess with anything other than that so I don't know, or care.

Too many secerets are locked in side your minds, but your all equal in life, equal in love. your all building castels in the sky dreaming of a better world.

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GitasGuy


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Posted: Written by: Fine_Rabid_Dog


I had been told that healthy people wernt affected much. Twas only the already mentally unstable who became worse. I dunno tho. Ive never met a stoner with psychosis shrug


Well i think over use in healthy people can still lead to mental illness over time.
I have seen on a couple of occasion throughtout my smoking life, people with a predisposition to mental problems suffer very badly from even the smallest amounts of pot. On 2 seperate occasions just a puff of a joint put them in a mental hospital for 2 weeks on both occasions.
IMO you have to know your body and understand what it can and can't take.


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onewheeldave
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Posted:Reminds me of a friend at uni, many years ago.

He always seemed OK with smoking and it was a big part of his life- dealing partly financed his studies.

One day, whilst in Amsterdam, he experienced serious psychosis; ultimately he was admitted, diagnosed, treated and released.

Released with the advice to not use pot anymore.

He found this difficult to accept as, in his own words, he 'loved smoking pot'.

However, a simple correlation was evident- if he didn't smoke pot,he was OK; when he did smoke, he immediately relapsed into mental illness.

He was lucky enough to have the kind of intelligence/self-control to act on this and, after a while, stayed away from pot for good.


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Posted:"Well i think over use in healthy people can still lead to mental illness over time."
You have to have the underlying condition, of course if it's laced with say PCP that's differant, but that can send pefectly sane people over the eadge.


Too many secerets are locked in side your minds, but your all equal in life, equal in love. your all building castels in the sky dreaming of a better world.

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Posted:i'm not sure about this or even if it's correct but having used different types of psychoactive substances (some legal) like salvia divanorum or purple ohms, i've gotten used to the weird things that the brain can do ubbloco

also even just sleep deprivation, and altitude sickness can have "trippy" effects on the brain.

i put it down that people that DO freak out on some substances or lack of sleep even, were never mentaly prepaired to make that journey down the rabbit hole.

remember we only use about 10% of our brains and the rest remains hidden and hard to explore and unlock.


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Stout
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Posted:On the only using 10% of your brain myth

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The Tea Fairy
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Posted:I don't think anyone fully understands the connections between drugs and mental illnesses, because the causes of most mental illnesses are still widely debated. There is evidence that it is biological i.e. chemical imbalances in the brain and genetics, but equally there is evidence that other factors such as life experience, social circumstances and personality are involved. There is a lot that people still don't understand about it, although the biological models are more relied upon and seen as more acceptable as this is how psychiatrists and drug companies make their money.

Even a lot of the drugs and therapies used to treat mental illness were stumbled upon by accident.


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faith enfire
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Posted:it's a bit scarey, but my doctor admitted that they weren't sure exactly how these pills work but they do...
normally, i would have said no thank you, but they worked
yay for the doctor putting some faith in something she didn't understant


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Posted: Written by: ravehead


i'm not sure about this or even if it's correct but having used different types of psychoactive substances (some legal) like salvia divanorum or purple ohms, i've gotten used to the weird things that the brain can do ubbloco

also even just sleep deprivation, and altitude sickness can have "trippy" effects on the brain.

i put it down that people that DO freak out on some substances or lack of sleep even, were never mentaly prepaired to make that journey down the rabbit hole.

remember we only use about 10% of our brains and the rest remains hidden and hard to explore and unlock.



It's hard to say what Information is reliable on top of all that. There's alot of propaganda spread about drugs.


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Seye
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Posted: Written by: acidchild

It's hard to say what Information is reliable on top of all that. There's alot of propaganda spread about drugs.



http://www.erowid.org
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That is one of the only links you will ever need.

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Spanner
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Posted: Written by: Seye



 Written by: acidchild

It's hard to say what Information is reliable on top of all that. There's alot of propaganda spread about drugs.



http://www.erowid.org
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That is one of the only links you will ever need.

smile





Erowid is reasonably extensive and does contain some reliable information but only in very specific areas. I wouldn't ever count it as definitive or particularly unbiased - it's more pro, not to mention pro grow.



I note this thread has been going around repeating itself in circles over a couple of years now - and still people claim cannabis doesn't cause memory lapses rolleyes wink ubblol


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The Tea Fairy
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Posted:Just wanted to share this interesteing (and rather long) article on different approaches to legislation of cannabis and thier possible outcomes:

http://www.drugscope.org.uk/druginfo/evidence-select/cannabislegislative.htm


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FireTom


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Posted:ubblol The good news (for every day cannabis smokers):

You will not drop dead if you take a break
Reality will not creep in like a herd of cocroaches
Your communicational skills will improve
Your weight will adjust (not having munchies)
You will still be creative and have ideas bubbling
You will be able to focus (more)
You will still be able to spin Poi/ Staff
You will be less paraniod and

You will memorize names, events and the first sentence of my reply wink

... and much more wink hug


the best smiles are the ones you lead to wink

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Posted: Written by: Seye


 Written by: acidchild

It's hard to say what Information is reliable on top of all that. There's alot of propaganda spread about drugs.


http://www.erowid.org
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That is one of the only links you will ever need.
smile



I have it bookmarked along with dancesafe.org, ecstacy.org and pillreports.com. Erowid is pretty biased too, not as much as theantidrug.com but it's still biased.


Too many secerets are locked in side your minds, but your all equal in life, equal in love. your all building castels in the sky dreaming of a better world.

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Posted:www.erowid.org is your friend wink

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Posted:ohh if you could only see the amount of weed you can buy here for 5$ ;P jeje but i can't find a poi shop anywhere in the country frown it sucks. a little poem for the plant we all love
MARIJUANA
BY
BIG TIRED, CAMOKOTA


MARIJUANA, HEMP, GRASS, WEED, AS WELL IT IS KNOWN
BY OTHER NAMES INDEED.

USUALLY, IT IS PLANTED IN THE SPRING UPON ONES KNEES.
BUT HOW DO THESE HUGH BUDS GROW,
FROM SUCH A TINY LITTLE SEED.

WHEN PLANTED, IT IS CARED FOR NOT OUT OF MALICIOUSNESS OR GREED.
BUT OUT OF TENDER LOVING CARE, TOWARD THE GIFT TO MAN,
GOD DID BRING.

WE LISTEN TO OTHER PEOPLE, WHO HAVE SUCH CARELESS THOUGHTS,
UPON IGNORANCE AND STUPIDITY, WITH ONLY ONE BRAIN CELL FOR THOUGHT.
THESE PEOPLE, LISTENING TO THE GOVERNMENT, THERE LIES THEY BELIEVE.
BUT NOT OUT OF CARING, ARE THERE LAWS AGAINST THIS SEED.

SO WHEN THE COPTERS FLY LOW, HIDE YOUR PLANTS AMONGST WEEDS.
OR THEY WILL DISAPPEAR, ALL FOR THE GOVERNMENTS GREED.

JUDGES AND ATTORNEYS, LOVE LAWS AGAINST THIS SEED, FOR ITS ILLEGALIZATION TO THEM, STEAK AND LOBSTER IT WILL FEED.
THEY CONTINUE TO PERSECUTE IT, FOR MONEY OUT GREED, CARING NOT TO
THE FAMILIES THE PAIN AND SUFFERING THEY BRING.

YES, GOD CREATED, ALL THINGS IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH.
AND MADE A SPECIAL PLACE CALLED HELL,
FOR POLICE, ATTORNEYS AND JUDGES
WITHOUT WORTH.

FOR GODS WILL IS DEVINE, HOW DARE THESE PEOPLE SAY SUCH THINGS.
AGAINST THIS WONDERFUL PLANT, AND THE HEALING PLEASURES,
IT CAN BRING.


Watch your thoughts; they become words. Watch your words; they become actions. Watch your actions; they become habits. Watch your habits; they become character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny. - Frank Outlaw

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Posted:hmmmm, i can see the benifit of legaliseing canabis ie as a pain killer, i know they tried making THC pills and they did not really work, i know someone that has chronic back pain and it helps.
However even if it is 1in100 of causeing some sort of mental illness should it be legal?
i am aware that smokeing and alchol is legal .. mehhh hummmm.. im sitting on the fence on this one ... although the thought of having an operation from a stoned surgeon is farly scary


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Posted:but just to add .. burning anything and breathing in the fumes is a bad idea tho..

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Posted:mind you, vapourising or inhaling cool smoke is far less damaging than inhaling hot smoke...

Spin, bounce, be one with the world, because it is yours to enjoy...

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The Tea Fairy
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Posted:News update for this thread:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5230006.stm

(this one has a link to the pdf report) and also:

http://www.nwph.net/nwpho/Publications/emcdda_2005_focalpoint.pdf

(an overview of the UK situation) and one more for fun:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article1483504.ece

I've seen quite a few reports recently slamming the UK illegal drugs policies and our government's approach to the problem of drugs. I am particularly happy to see alcohol and tobacco being treated in the same way as other drugs when considering new models to assess the harm caused by drug use.

Just thought I'd put these links up and see what you think of what's going on.


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Posted:there was a good debate on guestion time (bbc1) the other night, people asking MP's why villify a 76YO lady just because she uses cannabis to relieve her aurthritis, and how out of date the laws are surrounding cannabis.

this old lady had 4 plants and got off with 240 hrs community sirvice and 1000 fine, now i KNOW that if i, or any younger person where caught with that they would throw the book at us, well theycan't put us in jail because there's no spaces leftubblol

last year at a festival they had a small cinema and the bloke running it showe this film detailing the reasons why cannabis was first prohibited, the lame if not falce claims the US government came up with to warn people not to smoke it (like the film "reefer madness)
and how much dacade to decade the US government has wasted on criminalising a plant.

the thing they always revert back to is the claim cannabis makes you insane ubblol well yes it dose, in only a small fraction of the ammount of people that smoke it world wide the same with any other substance, there will always be the small percentage that it has adverce effects on just as some people are alergic to aspering or pracetamol.

the thing that jars me off big time is this medievil way of thinking when it comes to hemp, the benifits of hemp are amazing, you can make clothes, rope etc. you can also use hemp oil as a fuel source as well as the dryed plant matter.


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The Tea Fairy
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Posted: Written by: ravehead


there was a good debate on guestion time (bbc1) the other night, people asking MP's why villify a 76YO lady just because she uses cannabis to relieve her aurthritis, and how out of date the laws are surrounding cannabis.

this old lady had 4 plants and got off with 240 hrs community sirvice and 1000 fine, now i KNOW that if i, or any younger person where caught with that they would throw the book at us, well theycan't put us in jail because there's no spaces leftubblol




Yeah, another thing that p*sses me off is the blatant discrimination that goes on with the law, regardless of if it's due to age or other differences (for example Pete Doherty: blatant junkie who's been incourt loads this year, yet seems to somehow be immune to prison or tough sentencing. And Kate Moss - if pictures got published of me snorting a whole load of Coke I'd be in trouble, I'd lose my job at least and I suspect Social Services would question my suitability as a mother).


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Posted:that's BABYLON or you hug

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onewheeldave
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Posted:Would those who go on about the medicinal uses of cannabis be happy if it was made available as a prescription drug (with medical/pain relieving effects only- ie no 'recreational effects) yet cannabis remained illegal for 'recreational' purposes?

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Posted:NO!!!! legalise it all the way!!!!!

it would then be regulated so no vietnamese gangs would corner the market, it would be taxed so the money wasted policing it could be put to good use.

time and time again they pull up the same excuse, "it makes you go mad" so doctors say. like i said, only a minute percentage, like with ANY substance have negative reaction. this will always happen no matter what substance it is.

the thing they don't want is "SKUNK" as it has the highest T.H.C. yield of any other strain. sativa is the nicest smoke i've ever had it dose'nt "mong" you out like skunk, but people have this victorian ideal that ALL cannabis is bad.


the thing "babylon" fears is, that if socioty starts taking substances like this people will begin to open their minds, drift away from the "norm" and realise that the government is working on it's own agenda rather than working for the people.


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onewheeldave
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Posted: Written by: onewheeldave


Would those who go on about the medicinal uses of cannabis be happy if it was made available as a prescription drug (with medical/pain relieving effects only- ie no 'recreational effects) yet cannabis remained illegal for 'recreational' purposes?



 Written by: ravehead


NO!!!! legalise it all the way!!!!!

it would then be regulated so ..............



The reason i asked was that, if the answer is no, it may be worth considering not bringing in the medicinal issue in the first place.

Cos cannabis being used in prescribed pain-relieivng medicines is then a seperate issue from the recreational legislation issue.


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Posted:the thing is, if they only allow it for mediinal use there will STILL be a black market.....................well even if they legalise it the black market will offer cheeper stuff, but the fact is that if it's regulated then people can choose, pay a standard price and get good stuff or pay less from a shady street dealr and get ripped off cool

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onewheeldave
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Posted: Written by: ravehead


but people have this victorian ideal that ALL cannabis is bad.


the thing "babylon" fears is, that if socioty starts taking substances like this people will begin to open their minds, drift away from the "norm" and realise that the government is working on it's own agenda rather than working for the people.



I don't like the implication that those who consider all cannabis to be 'bad' do so through some victorian ideal.

I think all cannabis is 'bad', not cos of any victorian ideal, but because a decade of direct personal experience myself (smoking it), being around others who used it and a whole lot of research and thought, have led me to the conclusion that there are no 'good' things about cannabis 'recreational' use.

I don't think it's a demon, certainly alcohol and nicotine are also not 'good' in the same way.

Nothing to do with victorian values or ideals, simply a personal judgement based on experince and reason; and, a judgement made in the context of having very much moved away from it's use, giving, IMO, a greater degree of objectivity than is possible for those still using the stuff on a regular/habitual basis.

As for 'babylon'- it doesn't give a f*ck about stoners using weed- any habitual substance use acts to disempower the users, so 'babylon' is totally happy if the public are doped up with cannabis or alcohol, whilst simultaneously belieiving that it actually empowers them- that's ideal for babylon.

What would get 'babylon' concerned would be if more people started freeing themselves from getting sucked into habitual use of 'recreational' disempowering substances and started to see through some real delusions.


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