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wing
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Location: New Haven, CT
Member Since: 15th Mar 2005
Total posts: 52
Posted:Hello, I am Linda in Connecticut, US. I've quietly settled myself in here, but not yet posted because of my fondness for baton, which I understand has a sketchy reputation, and because I know most of my burning questions will be answered with -- do a search-- but here's a go at it.

I've been re-learning baton, but just discovered people spin things on fire too, which I intend to do. I got the HOP staff video, and am working on Volume 2 of Susan Orr's Guide to Twirling. (Someone was asking about baton videos-- these are the only ones I've found so far. Very girly and meant for kids which is nice if you are slow like me, but #2 gets into some challenging stuff, like fishtails, which I think is the same as what you talk about here.)

But now I see the contact stuff, and find my arm length batons and Globaton aren't cutting it. And I'm starting to think a lot of these baton moves I'm practicing won't be possible once I light up, such as switching palm spins from hand to hand at chest level, but I'm not sure. So I sacrificed a broom and I'm amazed how beautifully a longer staff can spin. Now I'm torn on a length for my first lightable fire staff.

The question is, how are you all learning? Especially those of you not in places where there are others? I've already spectacularly shattered my ceiling lamp, just with a short baton, trying to work out a move from a video. I'm sunk for sure if I start up with a long staff, unless I run a very long cord and computer out to the yard, a bit tricky in the snow.
???
linda


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Glåss
Glåss

The Ministry of Manipulation
Location: Bristol
Member Since: 8th Nov 2001
Total posts: 2523
Posted:If you're breaking things, you're probably doing it right smile
but the things are in the wrong place
If you keep doing it for a couple of weekes, then everything will be broken and you won't have to worry about breaking them anymore
good luck
Glass


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Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Brum / Dorset / Fairy Land
Member Since: 12th Dec 2001
Total posts: 3638
Posted:ubblol

tis true y'know biggrin

I learn slowly and with much difficulty. But I reckon that's the best way smile


Geologists do it in the dirt................ spank

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Fear-Tine
enthusiast
Location: dublin Ireland
Member Since: 4th Dec 2004
Total posts: 227
Posted:Rule of thumb anything valuable and breakable put away when you practise. I have also smashed my light cover and has come down on my bare feet. you will find after a while if you work in a small area it forces you to get cleaner movements.

best of luck hug


Grow old but never grow up

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mcp
mcp

Flying Water Muppet
Location: Edin-borrow.
Member Since: 20th May 2003
Total posts: 5276
Posted:I don't break things, I just tend to hit myself instead.

There's always a choice.


"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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Fear-Tine
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Location: dublin Ireland
Member Since: 4th Dec 2004
Total posts: 227
Posted:well thats kinda like breaking yourself.

Grow old but never grow up

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ado-p

Pirate Ninja
Location: Galway/Ireland
Member Since: 13th May 2004
Total posts: 3882
Posted:not when you got hair like meg's

its like a crash helmet smile

best of luck with the spinning wing.

personally it isnt baton twirlers that i dont like, its the fact that they can do fishtails with their elbows.

smile


Love is the law.

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mcp
mcp

Flying Water Muppet
Location: Edin-borrow.
Member Since: 20th May 2003
Total posts: 5276
Posted:We love baton spinners, it's just that a long time ago, in a HOP message board far far away, one baton twirler was a bit arrogant, and misrepresented baton twirlers as a whole. (in some ways)

But if you're nice, we're nice right back? What a great deal!

biggrin


"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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wing
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Location: New Haven, CT
Member Since: 15th Mar 2005
Total posts: 52
Posted:Ah. Well I'm not an actual baton twirler-- never got past basic twirls in baton class, definitely never wore the sparkly costume. I got nothing to be arrogant about.

Alright, not quite the answer I was looking for, but encouraging none the less. The real trouble is when your staff is as long as your room is wide, and then there's always the tv to be hit.
linda


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mcp
mcp

Flying Water Muppet
Location: Edin-borrow.
Member Since: 20th May 2003
Total posts: 5276
Posted:hmmmm, I dropped a tv yesterday, now it only shows blue and green... eek

I practise next to the liquor collection, it's one way to become teetotal... though I haven't broken anything yet... confused


"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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old hand
Location: Wellington somerset, UK
Member Since: 11th Aug 2004
Total posts: 834
Posted:my lamp shade gets beaten a lot, and i mean a lot, but its on strange hinges, so it ust twirls its self out the way, oh altho i have broken tho odd cup, and hit my self a fiar bet, but its part of it happening.

FOr first staff lenght, personally id say 1 meter 20 (4 ft) but im bias, every one else would say 5 ft, but im short so :P


Drawings by chalk minds, strech between the stars

Kyle Mclean-
Contact without dance is like sex without wiggling.
A) it does feel as good
B) it does not look as good on film

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wing
member
Location: New Haven, CT
Member Since: 15th Mar 2005
Total posts: 52
Posted:Yes, breaking myself a lot, but that's fine.

4 ft is about the broomstick I've got and that is quite nice, I'm 5'4". I've now switched to using a couple 3 foot sticks to work out moves at the computer, once doing that moving outside with the broom. However there's quite a difference-- for instance, trying to figure out a pinwheel, that's easy with a short stick where you can just spin a series of one-handed figure 8s in a big circle. But for all my searching I can't figure out how a pinwheel is done with one hand with a staff. I found:

*pinwheel = When the staff spins in a large vertical circle made up of smaller circles. Most common pattern for a continous BTB move.

So are you fingerspinning here? What is BTB? And where are these Xaeda lessons? Too many questions?
linda


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old hand
Location: Wellington somerset, UK
Member Since: 11th Aug 2004
Total posts: 834
Posted:BTB is behind the back, xaeda leassons are under the free lessons link at the top (id in that link you will find em)

Drawings by chalk minds, strech between the stars

Kyle Mclean-
Contact without dance is like sex without wiggling.
A) it does feel as good
B) it does not look as good on film

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Disc0
annoying boy
Location: Sweden
Member Since: 3rd Oct 2004
Total posts: 160
Posted:on the first question; how i learn.
i first watch videos and try to understand the tricks. afterwards, i go out and swing/twirl. if i can make the tricks from the beginning, thats nice. but if not, i have to figure out by myself what i am doing wrong. i think that gives me more understanding about how the trick really works.

some poi-spinning is after all done inside and I've crashed a lamp or two too. i have a very dark room nowadays.


fire is just light and heat.
it's you friend!

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strugz
strugz

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Southampton - Possibly...
Member Since: 6th Mar 2002
Total posts: 3964
Posted:oohhh breaking things, i thought it was a staffing necessity ubblol

I put a staff through the front room window the other day, i now learn dual fishtails outside rolleyes

Was a very funny moment, why is it you always see things like that happen in slow motion, yet you just stand and watch it happen....... smile

As for vertical pinwheels, i dont fingerspin much i roll the staff over the back of the hand continously, helps when ya stick is over half inch as the fingers have trouble spinning anything bigger weavesmiley


"...We don't stop playing because we get old, we get old because we stop playing......."

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mech
mech

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: "In your ear"
Member Since: 9th Jun 2003
Total posts: 6207
Posted:breaking stuff is not limited to staff

yesterday i nearly broke one of the multi-media projectors at work, when i was flairing with my bottle, trying to get a behind the back to back palm stall throw down, and it smacked staright into the projector ubblol

i should check it today, but i dont care ubblol

staff has been responsible fro breaking little in my time, its mainly little scuff marks and dents in walls that you wil see at my place


Step (el-nombrie)

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mcp
mcp

Flying Water Muppet
Location: Edin-borrow.
Member Since: 20th May 2003
Total posts: 5276
Posted:when they say pinwheel, I think they mean you pass the staff above and behind your head to the other hand, it goes down and passes btb low to the first hand and so on... Fingerspinning not-included...

"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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wing
member
Location: New Haven, CT
Member Since: 15th Mar 2005
Total posts: 52
Posted:THANKS, for btb, xaeda, pinwheels, etc. MCP, your videos-- very impressive and I'm most grateful.

breaking things = good
linda


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PrayerFireAngel
PrayerFireAngel

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Location: Merced, Ca
Member Since: 2nd Mar 2005
Total posts: 30
Posted:This must be my lucky day as I have been looking for baton videos to use with my globug staff. I personally have been learning from Charles video and the free lessons here. I made sure I moved everything out of my living room. I guess now I will definately have to invest in a DVD player otherwise I will have to move the monitor on the computer so that I can see it while trying to practice which can be a pain. Have you hit yourself in the head or face yet? Before I got my short globug staff I was practicing with a really heavy weighted wooden staff that my best friend made me. I was black and blue all over from hitting myself. I work as a Barber and was having to explain why my hands were all bruised up.

May All Your Prayers Be Heard...

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wing
member
Location: New Haven, CT
Member Since: 15th Mar 2005
Total posts: 52
Posted:I'm pretty bruised too, have gotten a bunch of good sized lumps on the head and nose, have ripped off all my fingernails and pulled a few muscles. The globug is definitely kinder. I took the advice to wrap the ends of my long wooden staff with towels and electrical tape, makes for nice rolling weight for contact, and feels much better on the head.

Video #1 is mostly basic twirling, some of what Charles' video has, with variations for the shorter length. Video #2 has more contact. Haven't gotten to 3 yet. I'm finding it helpful to use all these videos together. The DVD is best for several choices of slow speeds.

breaking yourself = good
linda


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ado-p

Pirate Ninja
Location: Galway/Ireland
Member Since: 13th May 2004
Total posts: 3882
Posted:Written by: strugz

I put a staff through the front room window the other day, i now learn dual fishtails outside rolleyes




This is simply hilarious

hug for strugz

ubblol


Love is the law.

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Stongsfire
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Location: Hawaii
Member Since: 11th May 2004
Total posts: 53
Posted:I live in the dorms, in Alaska......with a roommate......he doesn't like me very much.........

And did they get you to trade your heroes for ghosts?
Hot ashes for trees?
Hot air for a cool breeze? Cold comfort for change?
And did you exchange a walk on part in the war
for a lead role in a cage?
--Pink Floyd

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ado-p

Pirate Ninja
Location: Galway/Ireland
Member Since: 13th May 2004
Total posts: 3882
Posted:ubblol

stop it please

ubblol

i cant take it anymore


Love is the law.

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Stongsfire
member
Location: Hawaii
Member Since: 11th May 2004
Total posts: 53
Posted:yeah.......that's about it


help ....as he runs for cover......

ubblol


And did they get you to trade your heroes for ghosts?
Hot ashes for trees?
Hot air for a cool breeze? Cold comfort for change?
And did you exchange a walk on part in the war
for a lead role in a cage?
--Pink Floyd

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PrayerFireAngel
PrayerFireAngel

member
Location: Merced, Ca
Member Since: 2nd Mar 2005
Total posts: 30
Posted:I just ordered the grey firestaff which is the closest in size to my short globug staff. I should make enough money today to order the 3 baton twirling DVD's next. Thanks again Wing. If it wasn't for your post I wouldn't have known about the baton DVD's.

May All Your Prayers Be Heard...

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PrayerFireAngel
PrayerFireAngel

member
Location: Merced, Ca
Member Since: 2nd Mar 2005
Total posts: 30
Posted:My gray Fire Staff arrived today and although I have no intention of ever lighting it up I really like it. The balance and weight on it is perfect for me. I just ordered the Baton twirling DVD's and can't wait to destroy myself and the house. ubblol

May All Your Prayers Be Heard...

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Stongsfire
member
Location: Hawaii
Member Since: 11th May 2004
Total posts: 53
Posted:lol.......whatever makes you happy. I hope that it works well for you. beerchug smile

And did they get you to trade your heroes for ghosts?
Hot ashes for trees?
Hot air for a cool breeze? Cold comfort for change?
And did you exchange a walk on part in the war
for a lead role in a cage?
--Pink Floyd

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quiet
quiet

analytic
Location: bristol
Member Since: 15th Sep 2004
Total posts: 503
Posted:watch videos inside, spin sticks outside

always works for me


ture na sig

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wing
member
Location: New Haven, CT
Member Since: 15th Mar 2005
Total posts: 52
Posted:See, I just can't do that....maybe it's a mental deficiency, I dunno. Gotta have the stick in hand, gotta do it as I watch or I can never work it out.

Haven't broken anything lately, cooled off a bit after I nearly got my imac trying to do fishtails. I draw the line at my computer.


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PrayerFireAngel
PrayerFireAngel

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Location: Merced, Ca
Member Since: 2nd Mar 2005
Total posts: 30
Posted:I think once you get the moves/routines down then you should be able to spin outside since all the moves will be embedded in your brain. I have a huge back yard that I never use but I think the neighbors might enjoy watching me make a fool out of myself out in the yard with the boom box turned up. Then again, if I get good enough or if they feel sorry enough for me then maybe they will throw change over the fence. clap

May All Your Prayers Be Heard...

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PrayerFireAngel
PrayerFireAngel

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Location: Merced, Ca
Member Since: 2nd Mar 2005
Total posts: 30
Posted:I just got the DVD's today and now I see why you are destroying the house. I was at it for 45 minutes & now I am sitting here drinking a cup of coffee and I can't stop laughing. I have seen people make fun of Baton twirlers but you won't see me making fun of them. I'm probably gonna be having nightmares about it later & by the time I get to the 3rd DVD I might look like this ubbloco

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