UCOF
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Carpal \'Tunnel

Member Since: 17th Apr 2002
Total posts: 15414
Posted:Ive been thinking lately about what happens if you stop playing for a long time, then pick up your toys, and start playing again.

Does your brain still retain all the movements and timings, so you can spin pretty much as if you hadnt put them down,

or,

Will you be a complete beginner again with the spinning ability of a complete beginner,

or,

Somewhere in the middle?


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fluffy napalm fairy
fluffy napalm fairy

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Brum / Dorset / Fairy Land
Member Since: 12th Dec 2001
Total posts: 3638
Posted:I'd guess somewhere in the middle.

smile

It won't be as natural as it was, but time will improve it massively faster than if I was actually learning it all for the first time like a total beginner. Methinks.


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Adrillf
Adrillf

member
Location: UT
Member Since: 8th Feb 2005
Total posts: 112
Posted:You start in the middle but with a little work you catch back up with what skill you use to have. I know, I stopped spinning for about 6 months, and when I picked them back up it took me a bit to remember what I use to be able to do, but with a bit of practice it all came back to me.

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SCRUBS
SCRUBS

erm....can you smell parafin or is it me?

Member Since: 28th Feb 2005
Total posts: 146
Posted:it'll be be somewhere in the middle
you have muscle memory to help your brain along the relearning process


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Stout
Stout

Pooh-Bah
Location: Canada
Member Since: 12th May 2004
Total posts: 1872
Posted:I think the skills are for life, I just handed my poi to my wife and asked her to spin a five beat weave, and she did it no problem,,,she hasn't spun in a year and a half.

I haven't juggled in a year so I went looking for my juggling balls ( I was never any good to begin with,,but hey,,,it was a party trick) I couldn't find them so I used eggs.

Worked just fine,,,except for the ceiling...pass the mop ooooops


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flash fire
flash fire

Sporadically Prodigal
Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia
Member Since: 25th Jan 2001
Total posts: 2758
Posted:I haven't twirled more than 3 times in the last 12 months, and a good friend who has seen me twirl since the early days says my flow is so much better now than ever before. However, I personally feel my alignment is out and my repertoir has diminished, but untimately I don't think I'll ever forget.

It's ingrained.


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Pele
Pele

the henna lady
Location: WNY, USA
Member Since: 15th Dec 2000
Total posts: 6193
Posted:I agree with Flash. If I put the tools down for awhile and come back my friends tell me it actually helps my flow because I forget to think or focus on the moves, I just do it. If that makes sense.

Body memory is too strong to allow it to leave altogether I feel.


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ImmortalAngel
Scientist!
Location: Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
Member Since: 19th Jan 2004
Total posts: 578
Posted:Body memory = non existant.
Your mind goes back to the last time you did what ever it was you're doing, it's not your body :P
Just a pet peave, sorry about that.

And yeah, it really is like riding a bike. You can go back to it at anytime in your life and you can get back to where you were before in a fraction of the time it took to get there before.
It's like weight lifting. If you stop for a while, and start up again, it will be alot easier to start up again than it was to start period (which is a bit different because it deals with the cells involved etc...)


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Ade
Are we there yet?
Location: australia
Member Since: 14th Mar 2001
Total posts: 1897
Posted:immortalangel - is that proven that body memory does not exist? I've just repicked up the guitar after not playing for 15 years, and the amount that I remember without thinking about it - I find my fingers doing something before I realise what it is - is a huge amount. Learning new stuff is easier and my body is more comfortable with the instrument... so I dunno, I reckon some form of body memory has helped me pick up the guitar again so quickly... very interested as to the cause of me remembering so much.... shrug

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ImmortalAngel
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Location: Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
Member Since: 19th Jan 2004
Total posts: 578
Posted:I read an article a while back by some scientists who found very convincing evidence that it was the subconcious memory rather than the body that was remembering the things that came back so quickly.
I'll see if I can find it again, or one like it smile
I know what you mean though. I hadn't done martial arts for a good 5 years, and when I joined, I relearned everything I knew from before really fast, and it felt really easy going through it all.


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Doc Lightning
Doc Lightning

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Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Member Since: 28th May 2001
Total posts: 13920
Posted:my guess is it's like riding a bike. You get back whatever you lose within minutes.

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Facelessjoker
enthusiast
Location: Exeter
Member Since: 20th Sep 2004
Total posts: 249
Posted:The motions of doing poi get ingrained into your proceedural memory (the bit that makes you do things without thinking. ie the bike riding or driving.)
But thats probably only if you have been spinning for ages. If you give up as a beginner then you`ll prolly still have to work hard to get it.


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flid
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Warwickshire
Member Since: 27th Aug 2002
Total posts: 3136
Posted:Written by: Unsightly Crabby Old Fimble
Does your brain still retain all the movements and timings, so you can spin pretty much as if you hadnt put them down,





I've been incredibly lazy recently, combined with the fact that i have no indoor space to spin anymore.



I haven't spun fire at all in the last 9 months or so and poi hardly ever. When I do I find I've forgotten hardly anything, only more technical things which I hadn't quite perfected (but had a good success rate with) before I stopped. I would be wary about doing fire thou without a few hours practice before hand. Whether thats that I'm not good enough or that my fear of fire has returned I don't know smile



I started learning juggling last summer, then again got lazy. A few weeks ago I tried again and am better now, so, umm smile


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Gnor
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Perth
Member Since: 31st Mar 2003
Total posts: 5814
Posted:I still struggle with riding a bike. I still think that if you dont put your feet down when you stop, it should stand up like a horse does.

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coleman
coleman

big and good and broken
Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay
Member Since: 29th Aug 2002
Total posts: 7330
Posted:my planes and my timing went crap.
but i remember most of the moves.
though not all of them.

muscle memory does reside in your brain and refers to the physical side of the learning process.

"its just like riding a bike - once you learn, you can always do it" is the classic example of muscle memory in action.


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Xtremely Flameable
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Location: Cairns, Queensland
Member Since: 23rd Apr 2003
Total posts: 95
Posted:I stopped spinning for about 9 months and have only recently picked it up again.

For me though it's like I never stopped I can still do everything I could before and a bit more.

In a way it has helped me push myself to learn more of it lol.

biggrin XF biggrin


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Stout
Stout

Pooh-Bah
Location: Canada
Member Since: 12th May 2004
Total posts: 1872
Posted:ImmortalAngel,,,,I just did some research on muscle memory,,,and you're right it appears to me a widely used term, but technically it's a misnomer. Muscle memory is indeed a brain function,,,,except when it comes to weightlifting. beerchug

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telic
I don't want a title.

Member Since: 26th Jun 2003
Total posts: 940
Posted:I'm bad and lately I spin only once every few months or so, because I've been crazy busy with other stuff. But those delays don't seem to stop me from retaining what I've learned. The problem is that I haven't been learning more!

E pluribus unum, baby.

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PK_
PK_

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Member Since: 20th Dec 2001
Total posts: 4991
Posted:Written by: flash fire

I haven't twirled more than 3 times in the last 12 months, and a good friend who has seen me twirl since the early days says my flow is so much better now than ever before. However, I personally feel my alignment is out and my repertoir has diminished, but untimately I don't think I'll ever forget.

It's ingrained.



seconded. hug


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roarfire
roarfire

comfortably numb
Location: The countryside
Member Since: 8th Jul 2004
Total posts: 2676
Posted:I think it's like riding a bike. You never forget...

.All things are beautiful if we take the time to look.

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ado-p
ado-p

Pirate Ninja
Location: Galway/Ireland
Member Since: 13th May 2004
Total posts: 3882
Posted:i had a go last night for the first time in a month

for some reason my contact was better than it ever, ever was before.

which is kinda nice really.

smile


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newgabe
newgabe

what goes around comes around. unless you're into stalls.
Location: Bali
Member Since: 3rd Mar 2005
Total posts: 4030
Posted:I think it depends a bit on what else you've been doing in the meantime to.. for instance I stopped playing guitar years ago, but then I took up middle eastern percussion, which uses fine fast finger movements. When I picked up guitar again, I was way better than I used to be!

With poi and stuff.. it's amusing me how many people are posting on forums that they' haven't spun for ages... but we're still here at the Home of!! At least our identification as spinners hasn't changed!
I'm more noticing at the moment how different people's speeds are at learning things. I mean, there's one lovely lad locally here who is great, really smooth, so much to learn from him.. and he's been doing it like a month!!!!!!!! eek eek


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