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Facelessjoker
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Posted:Right now im so incredibley sad.
So far in the past three days ive heard six stories of murder and one of a fight between two guys who tried to kill each other. (Using acid and an axe!!) eek
Last night i turned on the radio in my car and nearly cried. The headlines were: The war on Iraq, the micheal Jackson trial and a story about a bunch of kids who pretended to be friends with a boy then killed him frown
If its not bullies killing their victims it a husband butchering his wife frown frown Or a never ending political debate over something that could have been resolved by now.
Wheres the good news?
All of it makes me want to close my eyes and disappear. My work mate and I started talking about all this. We also got talking about how politicians are screwing us over and how the emphasis on money has made everything so messed up.
Its getting to the point where im actually trying to avoid the news and all political or social debates because my head wants to explode with sadness.
I hate looking around at society because it makes me so ashamed to be growing up in it! And i cant believe CHILDREN are getting away with bullying an killing and all this horrible stuff with only a few years in jail. Example, The kids mentioned before who pretended to be friends with a 16 year old were also 16. They decided to kill him because of rumours he wanted to go out with a girlfriend of one of the killers. They chased him and killed him with sythes (sp?) and laughed in court when this was described. They got 13 years. Now some people may think this is an ok sentance but i really dont considering their reactions in court. I cant believe the way the justice system works. I cant believe any of this at all. frown frown frown frown

Sorry, Im trying not to go off into a rant so thats all im saying.
Does anyone else ever get like this??


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Posted:Written by: Pigeon_Wigeon

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Freud (i think it was him) said that a kid is "programmed" by his/her parents form the age of 0-7. If the kid is treated nicley and is taught manners and what wrong and right is from an ear;y age, he'll come thro alright.

The scary thin about freuds theorey is that he believes that even are morals are programmes in in that time period. I always thought that morals was learnt form ur own mistakes, not ur parents telling u that things are naughty and nice...


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Posted:I really hope I am able to raise my kids to have more respect than that.

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Pigeon_Wigeon
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Posted:Woo woo new friend alert! *runs and hugs FRD* Much love to you! Anywho! Some children are disrespectful from a very very young age others are. Usually the children with older siblings tend to have more of an attitude problem... this is just from observations of my lil dragons btw but maybe theres something there..

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Facelessjoker
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Posted:No i would think your right.
My sister is a disrespetful little bitch but its prolly something to do with the fact that at the age she learnt to walk talk be aware ect she had stressy 14 yr old me to deal with. And now shes learning to communicate ect shes got stressy 13 yr old no. 2 (my bro) to deal with. So shes prolly just taken on a defensive barrier to fight back when we yell at everyone. (in the stressy teenage way) hehe.

If i have kids the most important thing im going to drive into them is respect, ill make them say please and thankyou. They will pronounce their T's and TH's correctly. But more likely than not ill be happy to avoid the anguish of all this and not have kids hehe.

I agree with Nate too. The role models these kids have are the worst imo. They get what they want and show it off and the sex OH MY GOD! dont get me started on the inuendos they have in videos of most pop stars.

I think that, society has become so individualistic we forget about everyone else around us therefore we forget the manners. The dog eat dog attitude of most people is being imprinted onto the children. People are more involved with working to become the best or get more money or whatever. Parents are more likely to go back to work and leave their kids in care which means that they have less time to teach the fundamentals to children. The children are getting the message that other people (even the kids) are not as important as your work and so the basic respect is forgotten because there is less communication between the parent and child.
Ive lost what i was trying to say now dammit hmm.....


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Pigeon_Wigeon
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Posted:Hee hee I understand totally..... This thread started as a media type thread and now is in Psychology land wooooooo for example.. Bowlby an dhis Maternal deprivation theory.... The more children are left alone the less connected they are to their parents which causes them to be distanced rom their parents therefore not learning rights and wrongs and not having the same level of respect and love for their parents... that sounds harsh... but yeah.. kinda.. maybe ... ahh i dunno!

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Facelessjoker
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Posted:I love psychology, id do it again biggrin
Indeed bowlby did an experiment. that makes me think though.... Other research found that children who are left in care longer will develop better social skills. And atkinson found that children who are in care have insecure attachments to their parents (something along those lines at least) which means they are more likely to be problematic later on in life. So maybe, all these little kids had insecure attachments because the parent had less time for them and they are now just rebelling against the parents and are attention seeking?
this is just my trail of thought. biggrin i feel clever hehe


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Pigeon_Wigeon
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Posted:Ha ha ...I failed it.... But learnt a hell of a lot... just didnt like the exam and the 30 odd case studies I was sposed to remember..
But yeah many experiments but no theory is proved 100% conclusive... its all a bit much for me... But yes.. younger generation are growing up with some bad habits...


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Facelessjoker
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Posted:Case studies were hard going *nods*
I feel harsh for blaming the parents so much. SO instead i blame MTV!!! Its giving kids short attention spans so they forget to listen to the lectures by their parents on manners.
bad habits indeed.
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Posted:shrug I watch MTV quite alot, and Im ok. I als watch kerrang and Q, and other stuff like that, and Im still poliite and good mannered and un-nasty and not cocky etc. What I really hate is people who blame the behaviour of my generation on fecking society. Tis bollox! It is the parents who are messing up, wether they mean to or not.

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Pigeon_Wigeon
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Posted:Ooooh controversial... but dont all those parents make up a sizeable chunk of society?... And its not just parents.... sure some arent good but hey theyve never done it before.... some find it hard or are to proud to get help etc... theres many reasons..

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_Clare_
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Posted:This is why people have to accept a certain amount of responsibility for their own behaviour... certainly parents and role models (such as they are), can take some of the responsibility... but even when I was in the throws of a teenage strop (which I unfortunately still do at 26 biggrin), I still knew it was wrong and that my behaviour was unacceptable - even if pride wouldn't let me admit it.

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Nate
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Posted:hrmmm, some very interesting points and theorys are being brought up in this thread.....makes a very interesting read everytime i log on smile

i think if a child is an only child he/she stands a better chance of being bought up properly, as faceless said she blames her lil sisters mood on how other siblings are acting around her, also if the child is the only one in the family the parents have more time to spend with him/her and are probably more likely to eventually teach them how to respect people etc.

however a llonely childhood can change a persons life later........meh i dont know

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spritie
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Posted:Firepoise, if you know a strop is wrong, why still do it when you are older?

I couldn't find a definition of the word, but I am assuming it is something similar to a temper tantrum? If so, have you found that people react to one well? Are they productive for you?

This is just something that's been on my mind since you posted your comments. Sorry, I probably should have made my reply sooner.


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Pigeon_Wigeon
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Posted:Hmm... well even if you know its not going to get you anywhere sometimes you still do it... like when my sister forgets her keys and wakes me up at 4 in the morning.. I know its useless going FFS remember your keys...cause she just shouts at me and says she hardly ever does it etc (when she does it all the time) yet I still do it... hee hee...

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spritie
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Posted:hmmm...could your sister possibly LIKE making you mad? I know I've dumped a couple guys because they actually enjoyed pissing me off. Why? Because I apparently react well confused

Maybe to her, getting you mad is the only way that she can see you definitely care about her? I'm just speculating here, but basically trying to understand this phenemon since it apparently appears quite often in society.

Does anyone have an explanation for why some people seemingly thrive on pissing others off?


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_Clare_
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Posted:eek

I don't thrive on pissing anyone off!

I certainly don't do it for attention and I'm not silly enough to believe it is the only way to 'prove someone cares'.

But sometimes no matter how many ways I try, I don't seem to be able to get my point across and because I want to so badly, end up getting frustrated. Of course, what I need to do is take a breath and step back and approach it from a different way.

This didn't use to be the case until a couple of years ago when my confidence was badly shaken and I lost my grounding. I am well on the way to getting it back, but these things take time.


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spritie
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Posted:Firepoise, sorry, my last reply was not aimed at you. hug
I was just asking in general. I have just encountered people in my life that have seemed that way.

So throwing tantrums or getting people mad is a confidence thing? confused


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_Clare_
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Posted:Tis ok missus hug

I think so. At the minute.
Sounds bizarre, I know... not being able to express myself properly is really only something that has been a problem for me in the last couple of years and it's extremely frustrating.

I know it's my problem, but at the time i feel like 'but i have expressed this clearly, why don't you understand?!' - so it is like a temper tantrum, but one I will be able to control once I relearn how to communicate.

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spritie
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Posted:have you tried looking at what you are saying from the other persons perspective? I've found that often helps to see what I am saying through the eyes of the person I'm talking to.

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_Clare_
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Posted:Yes, I've tried that... but it's the confidence thing that's holding me back... I look at it from their perspective, but then lose faith in my reading of it and get all agitated... hence frustrated.

Tis ok, i just have to work on my confidence.


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