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If I was to say "I wrote a poem today", how many people would believe me.
Okay, now lets say I entitled that piece "Decmoracy", would U believe me then? No.. didn't think so. But here it is. Its quite short, but there is a point to it.
There is no escape
the big pricks are out
they'll [censored] everything in sight
watch your back
Sorry for the rude language, but as wayne rooney would agree, there are some points you simply can't make without it.
I hope u can see how much progress ive made as a poet... not much... I thought so.
But u may be wondering why I put that last bit in? It made no rhythmic sense, and has nothing really to do with poverty. But I find that it is always good advice to watch your back... using a mirror helps
What were my influences? Carol Smilie and (retired policeman) John stalker (with dog Drummer)
In truth, this very post would not exist if it were not for ur english advert-friendly peeps. I have spent many a day wondering why any1 wud want to buy a garden awening if it was recommende by John Stalker. The same goes for Carol. and her promotion of financial products. What was that all about?
The reason why, is that two of the strongest urges a person my find is to follow thos in the position of success and authority.
Obediance to authority is such a stron instinct, that we are prepared to what we are told bysomeone wearing a uniform even if they are not an authoritive figure. So we will buy are garden awenings when told to by and ex-copper, and learn to love or loans with the lovable carol (
... 
)
So, what has this got to do with my ludicras, crass, second-rate obscure-to-the-point-of-meaninglessness? Well, I didn't write it. Nay, I am not worthy of such poetic genius. It was Harold Pinter, whom published Democracy in 2003.
So, Mr. Pinter will win a Poetry prize, when those of whom aren't famous palywrite-gone-poet who are much better, will win nothing.
I'm not wrong am I? If so, I'll gladly take it all back if iam. I'm no poetry expert but this poem is simply crap.
At my school, brand is everything. Aramani, gucci, hugo boss ( i do own some armani aftershave, but that's it). If armai released a suit that was seriously expensive, and a much less known company, or even some poor kid in a sweat shop was to make exactly the same identical suit for half the price, many of thos at my school, and probably everwhere else, would buy the armani.
I believe thats its time to stop buying awnings, ripp off suits (Okay, maybe not the sharp/smart pure genius ones), and anything else advertised with names (just so we don't get annoying people like that complete ass from esure
). And its also time to stop accepting idiotic swearing in poetry and taking it seriously because it comes form HArol Pinter (sorry HArold)
Oh yeah, and watch ur back!
If I was to say "I wrote a poem today", how many people would believe me.
Okay, now lets say I entitled that piece "Decmoracy", would U believe me then? No.. didn't think so. But here it is. Its quite short, but there is a point to it.
There is no escape
the big pricks are out
they'll [censored] everything in sight
watch your back
Sorry for the rude language, but as wayne rooney would agree, there are some points you simply can't make without it.
I hope u can see how much progress ive made as a poet... not much... I thought so.
But u may be wondering why I put that last bit in? It made no rhythmic sense, and has nothing really to do with poverty. But I find that it is always good advice to watch your back... using a mirror helps
What were my influences? Carol Smilie and (retired policeman) John stalker (with dog Drummer)
In truth, this very post would not exist if it were not for ur english advert-friendly peeps. I have spent many a day wondering why any1 wud want to buy a garden awening if it was recommende by John Stalker. The same goes for Carol. and her promotion of financial products. What was that all about?
The reason why, is that two of the strongest urges a person my find is to follow thos in the position of success and authority.
Obediance to authority is such a stron instinct, that we are prepared to what we are told bysomeone wearing a uniform even if they are not an authoritive figure. So we will buy are garden awenings when told to by and ex-copper, and learn to love or loans with the lovable carol (
... )So, what has this got to do with my ludicras, crass, second-rate obscure-to-the-point-of-meaninglessness? Well, I didn't write it. Nay, I am not worthy of such poetic genius. It was Harold Pinter, whom published Democracy in 2003.
So, Mr. Pinter will win a Poetry prize, when those of whom aren't famous palywrite-gone-poet who are much better, will win nothing.
I'm not wrong am I? If so, I'll gladly take it all back if iam. I'm no poetry expert but this poem is simply crap.
At my school, brand is everything. Aramani, gucci, hugo boss ( i do own some armani aftershave, but that's it). If armai released a suit that was seriously expensive, and a much less known company, or even some poor kid in a sweat shop was to make exactly the same identical suit for half the price, many of thos at my school, and probably everwhere else, would buy the armani.
I believe thats its time to stop buying awnings, ripp off suits (Okay, maybe not the sharp/smart pure genius ones), and anything else advertised with names (just so we don't get annoying people like that complete ass from esure
). And its also time to stop accepting idiotic swearing in poetry and taking it seriously because it comes form HArol Pinter (sorry HArold)Oh yeah, and watch ur back!
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Hmmm. Reputation goes a long way.
Harold Pinter has published some excellent poems, but as with many great writers and artists, once their name and style are known they are given a certain license to publish works which may not be up to the same standard. You can't expect genius all the time.
I don't know if this poem was part of a collection or not, in which case it should be looked at in the context of that collection.
And idiotic swearing can be useful
Hmmm. Reputation goes a long way.
Harold Pinter has published some excellent poems, but as with many great writers and artists, once their name and style are known they are given a certain license to publish works which may not be up to the same standard. You can't expect genius all the time.
I don't know if this poem was part of a collection or not, in which case it should be looked at in the context of that collection.
And idiotic swearing can be useful
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true, it can be.
But this isn't just about Pinter. Its about anything that isnt that good that seems good because of the name behind it.
true, it can be.
But this isn't just about Pinter. Its about anything that isnt that good that seems good because of the name behind it.
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Ah yes. Advertising and Marketing... I recommend following the advice of Bill Hicks on that one...
And not his suggestion that all those in advertising and marketing should shoot themselves... but that any artist who 'does an advert' is immediately dismissed from the artistic register. For life
Ah yes. Advertising and Marketing... I recommend following the advice of Bill Hicks on that one...
And not his suggestion that all those in advertising and marketing should shoot themselves... but that any artist who 'does an advert' is immediately dismissed from the artistic register. For life
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Just wait a while, FRB. Once you get out of school (or finish Uni), brand names won't mean anything to you, or most other people you encounter for that matter. There are some name brands that I like because of the way the clothing fits me and because of the quality behind what they make. There are others that I could just care less about and don't want to spend the extra $$$ for.
As for artists and such, just because you don't like something, doesn't mean there isn't someone out there than can and does appreciate what the artist was trying to say or convey when they created their piece. Each artist has to advertise in some fashion to get people exposed to their "art". There is nothing wrong with that. Some people enjoy one thing, some people another. Maybe this poet wrote that poem for a specific event which it may fit. You can't judge something like that simply by reading it or looking at it (in the case of a painting). It's usually fitting to learn something either about the situation behind it, why the person wrote or painted it, or possibly even the methods behind the creation of it.
I've looked at someone's art in a museum before and thought it was absolute crap. A few years later, I actually learned how the art was created and gained a whole new perspective about it that, in fact, completely changed my mind about the works and I can now appreciate them because I learned how they were painted.
So, I say ignore what the people in your class think regarding what clothes to buy. Brands are just brands. No two people are built identically, so it doesn't have to be your fault if you choose not to wear a certain brand. If someone makes a comment, just say the clothes are too big for you or don't fit right or don't emphasize your nice *insert appropriate body part here*. As far as the poem, if you don't like it, then ignore it. Not all of us are bound to like the same stuff all the time.
Just wait a while, FRB. Once you get out of school (or finish Uni), brand names won't mean anything to you, or most other people you encounter for that matter. There are some name brands that I like because of the way the clothing fits me and because of the quality behind what they make. There are others that I could just care less about and don't want to spend the extra $$$ for.
As for artists and such, just because you don't like something, doesn't mean there isn't someone out there than can and does appreciate what the artist was trying to say or convey when they created their piece. Each artist has to advertise in some fashion to get people exposed to their "art". There is nothing wrong with that. Some people enjoy one thing, some people another. Maybe this poet wrote that poem for a specific event which it may fit. You can't judge something like that simply by reading it or looking at it (in the case of a painting). It's usually fitting to learn something either about the situation behind it, why the person wrote or painted it, or possibly even the methods behind the creation of it.
I've looked at someone's art in a museum before and thought it was absolute crap. A few years later, I actually learned how the art was created and gained a whole new perspective about it that, in fact, completely changed my mind about the works and I can now appreciate them because I learned how they were painted.
So, I say ignore what the people in your class think regarding what clothes to buy. Brands are just brands. No two people are built identically, so it doesn't have to be your fault if you choose not to wear a certain brand. If someone makes a comment, just say the clothes are too big for you or don't fit right or don't emphasize your nice *insert appropriate body part here*. As far as the poem, if you don't like it, then ignore it. Not all of us are bound to like the same stuff all the time.
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well said spritie experiance changes our perception
well said spritie experiance changes our perception
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i liked it.
but i'm not very smart when it comes to art.
my favourite poem is 'the raven' (after 'invisible poo' obviously
).
but i like hip hop, spoken word and slam poetry so i'm not averse to a bit of the old swearing.
i thought it was cool when it was by someone random - its short, to the point and the title gives it the context it desperately needs (the peom without the title is meaningless).
when i found out it was by pinter, i actually thought it was worse - i expect more sharp prose from him rather than a stark, shock poem
so it works both ways - my evaluation of the poem dropped when i found out it was by someone famous, rather than it gaining more adulation because of the name attacthed to it.
cole. x
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i liked it.
but i'm not very smart when it comes to art.
my favourite poem is 'the raven' (after 'invisible poo' obviously
).but i like hip hop, spoken word and slam poetry so i'm not averse to a bit of the old swearing.
i thought it was cool when it was by someone random - its short, to the point and the title gives it the context it desperately needs (the peom without the title is meaningless).
when i found out it was by pinter, i actually thought it was worse - i expect more sharp prose from him rather than a stark, shock poem
so it works both ways - my evaluation of the poem dropped when i found out it was by someone famous, rather than it gaining more adulation because of the name attacthed to it.
cole. x
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they do porridge."
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busted 
I agreed with the idea and thought i wud share it. Soz 4 the blatant palgerisim (SP?)
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busted I agreed with the idea and thought i wud share it. Soz 4 the blatant palgerisim (SP?)
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Yeah, I had a big convo with a friend of mine about this the other day. We were listening to the new Nick Cave CD in the car on a long night drive.. which really makes you listen to the words. I said that there was maybe two songs on the whole album where the words were worth listening to.. the rest was filler, embarassing from someone who has been so great in the past. A lot of the music was interesting... but I doubt the album as a whole would have been released if it hadn't been riding on the credibility of His Name, based on past performance. My friend said it didn't matter and I was being a smartarse. ( A lot of my friends say that ) I said it did matter because if people only have a few $$$ to spend they will so often spend it on the 'name' they think they can trust rather than take a punt on something new. Like people will pay $$$$$$$'s to see some relic who was getting stale even when I was a kid while the musos with something fresh are working inthe post office to pay off their demo. I went into a record shop the other day and bought the new 'big name' CD on that basis... and found it's full of love songs. (Boring. So you've got a nice girlfriend. Gee) So I went and bought someone young and local I hadn't heard of before to make up. And guess what, that's the one I've been playing ever since. Mind you, I'm pretty much over words these days, I go for instrumental weirdness like that fusionny world/asian/electronica and Tosca and stuff that goes straight for the 'moves me' rather than yacks at me....
Yeah, I had a big convo with a friend of mine about this the other day. We were listening to the new Nick Cave CD in the car on a long night drive.. which really makes you listen to the words. I said that there was maybe two songs on the whole album where the words were worth listening to.. the rest was filler, embarassing from someone who has been so great in the past. A lot of the music was interesting... but I doubt the album as a whole would have been released if it hadn't been riding on the credibility of His Name, based on past performance. My friend said it didn't matter and I was being a smartarse. ( A lot of my friends say that
) I said it did matter because if people only have a few $$$ to spend they will so often spend it on the 'name' they think they can trust rather than take a punt on something new. Like people will pay $$$$$$$'s to see some relic who was getting stale even when I was a kid while the musos with something fresh are working inthe post office to pay off their demo. I went into a record shop the other day and bought the new 'big name' CD on that basis... and found it's full of love songs. (Boring. So you've got a nice girlfriend. Gee) So I went and bought someone young and local I hadn't heard of before to make up. And guess what, that's the one I've been playing ever since. Mind you, I'm pretty much over words these days, I go for instrumental weirdness like that fusionny world/asian/electronica and Tosca and stuff that goes straight for the 'moves me' rather than yacks at me.... .....Can't juggle balls but I sure as hell can juggle details....
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If i remember correctly Bill Hicks said this.
"If theres anyone in the audience tonight in Advertising or Marketing..... please do us a favour and kill yourself...... Theres no joke here this is meant to be serious i'm not trying to be funny here.... Kill Yourself"
Or something along those lines. I think later on in the sketch i think he went on to talk about pornography...... then he did the goat boy thing
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Ah yes. Advertising and Marketing... I recommend following the advice of Bill Hicks on that one...
If i remember correctly Bill Hicks said this.
"If theres anyone in the audience tonight in Advertising or Marketing..... please do us a favour and kill yourself...... Theres no joke here this is meant to be serious i'm not trying to be funny here.... Kill Yourself"
Or something along those lines. I think later on in the sketch i think he went on to talk about pornography...... then he did the goat boy thing
Fair luna bright, fair luna moon
it shines at night but fades too soon
fair luna moon, fair luna bright
forever we dance
we dance under starlight
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I aht most adverts...no wate... I despise them... and their makers. Bill Hicks was giving good advise.
MAybe I should go into marketing and abolish all crap, lame adverts.
I aht most adverts...no wate... I despise them... and their makers. Bill Hicks was giving good advise.
MAybe I should go into marketing and abolish all crap, lame adverts.
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Lol... the pornography sketch was good...
The Wrigleys Ad... 'not thinking about gum'... 'Double your pleasure'.... 'something to chew on' - tee hee.
Goat boy is scary. Hilarious... but disturbed
Lol... the pornography sketch was good...
The Wrigleys Ad... 'not thinking about gum'... 'Double your pleasure'.... 'something to chew on' - tee hee.
Goat boy is scary. Hilarious... but disturbed
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Then Howies is very much for u, oh keen-eyed-one . They make nice casual clothes for relativley affordable prices.. And they endorse hippies (thats why i like them) and give big nasty icky corporations the odd finger.
I can't find it, but Levi's tried to sue Howies over a tag on a trouser that was to similar. Howies gave them a real thrasing for it. They did all kinda stuff untill Levi's lawyers bowed down to their coolness.
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Written by: Spanner
Returning to brand names, those upon clothes in particular: very few of my clothes have large brand names emblazoned on them, let alone designer labels. One of the main reasons for this, along with the sweatshop issues, is that I refuse to pay a large sum of money to a company in order to act as a minimal cost advertisement for them.
Plus, most of the time, they look bloody terrible. In my own very humble opinion, of course...
(I doubt I'd be a complimentary advertisement for most brands anyway
Then Howies is very much for u, oh keen-eyed-one
. They make nice casual clothes for relativley affordable prices.. And they endorse hippies (thats why i like them) and give big nasty icky corporations the odd finger.I can't find it, but Levi's tried to sue Howies over a tag on a trouser that was to similar. Howies gave them a real thrasing for it. They did all kinda stuff untill Levi's lawyers bowed down to their coolness.
-edit- Found it
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Now that's marketing,,,Howies just got you to promote their brand for free..
I wonder if they'd be unhappy if Bono wore one of their logo tees on stage?
Now that's marketing,,,Howies just got you to promote their brand for free..
I wonder if they'd be unhappy if Bono wore one of their logo tees on stage?
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hats what they want there customers to do. Over the last three yeas they have increased a sales through word of mouth only. I like howies
hats what they want there customers to do. Over the last three yeas they have increased a sales through word of mouth only. I like howies
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That's what I meant, of course that's what they want their customers to do, Howies wants YOU to identify with their product, to believe their values represent your values, much like Armani, Nike, Levis want you to do to.
Howies says " I care about the planet" Armani says "I'm rich",,,or at least I want to appear rich.
That's what I meant, of course that's what they want their customers to do, Howies wants YOU to identify with their product, to believe their values represent your values, much like Armani, Nike, Levis want you to do to.
Howies says " I care about the planet" Armani says "I'm rich",,,or at least I want to appear rich.
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Meh, but these guys mean it, i think... doubt has now entered by easily mallable brain. Crap.
Meh, but these guys mean it, i think... doubt has now entered by easily mallable brain. Crap.
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They probably do mean it, who am I to refute their claims, I don't know my fabric chemistry, so I'll take their statements at face value. But they did manage to sell you on the virtues of their product which is what branding is all about. I don't go for brand names myself but luckily I'm a self employed artist which gives me licence to be a slob,,,all the time.
The problems come when you get so hooked on an expensive image, an image that you can't really afford,,,and go into debt to maintain it. There's not too many petrol station attendants who can afford to maintain a wardrobe of brand name Italian clothing. Good thing the whole hippy thing isn't expensive
Companies are always going to hire famous people to promote their products, it's a fact of life, we even have William Shatner promoting breakfast cereal over here. Were I a William Shatner fan ( well, he is pretty funny these days) and I was looking for a new cereal,,hey I might just try it .
They probably do mean it, who am I to refute their claims, I don't know my fabric chemistry, so I'll take their statements at face value. But they did manage to sell you on the virtues of their product which is what branding is all about. I don't go for brand names myself but luckily I'm a self employed artist which gives me licence to be a slob,,,all the time.
The problems come when you get so hooked on an expensive image, an image that you can't really afford,,,and go into debt to maintain it. There's not too many petrol station attendants who can afford to maintain a wardrobe of brand name Italian clothing. Good thing the whole hippy thing isn't expensive
Companies are always going to hire famous people to promote their products, it's a fact of life, we even have William Shatner promoting breakfast cereal over here. Were I a William Shatner fan ( well, he is pretty funny these days) and I was looking for a new cereal,,hey I might just try it .
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the mens section doesn't have blankies.
But i have a really nice t-shirt that says "life is wonky" i love it to bits.
Unfortunately, it has a rust stain on the back cos sum1 left it to dry on a rusty radiator (seriosly, it wasn't me, my title is fiction) so now it looks like sum1 has pooped on my t-shirt
the mens section doesn't have blankies.
But i have a really nice t-shirt that says "life is wonky" i love it to bits.
Unfortunately, it has a rust stain on the back cos sum1 left it to dry on a rusty radiator (seriosly, it wasn't me, my title is fiction) so now it looks like sum1 has pooped on my t-shirt
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