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"but have you considered there is more to life than your eyelids?"
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"but have you considered there is more to life than your eyelids?"
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the best smiles are the ones you lead to
"but have you considered there is more to life than your eyelids?"
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those that know, dont say. those that say, dont know.
the best smiles are the ones you lead to
"but have you considered there is more to life than your eyelids?"
jointly owned by Fire_Spinning_Angel and Blu_Valley
the best smiles are the ones you lead to
"but have you considered there is more to life than your eyelids?"
jointly owned by Fire_Spinning_Angel and Blu_Valley
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
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Even people with philosophy degrees can evolve
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Can only possibly be true in basic mechanical determinism... I press a switch which causes a light to turn on etc
When you have a multiplicity of casual factors engaged in rhizomatic structures, which themselves are held in a constant state of flux (we are complex adaptive systems), you engage in non-linear determinism.
Your millions of linear factors which are predictable is cute but falls apart when you realise you aren't dealing with a static model, and when you look at emergent phenomena; which cannot be simulated or predicted through reductionist methodologies.
What a wonderful miracle if only we could look through each other's eyes for an instant.
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I propose that science is the only thing in a constant state of flux
He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.
Nietzsche
Written by: Patriarch917Utterly wrong. You are confusing free will and ordinary will. Whilst the out come of your choice is predestined, you still have a choice.
If there actually is no free will, then one cannot “decide” to believe that there is no free will. “Rationality” has no place in a deterministic materialistic worldview. All views are equally valid, since they are all ultimately linked to the same cause. People do not “choose” to believe something because it is “correct” based on their observations. They are forced to believe whatever they believe merely by the chemistry in their head.
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
Written by: jeff(fake)Written by: Patriarch917Utterly wrong. You are confusing free will and ordinary will. Whilst the out come of your choice is predestined, you still have a choice.
If there actually is no free will, then one cannot “decide” to believe that there is no free will. “Rationality” has no place in a deterministic materialistic worldview. All views are equally valid, since they are all ultimately linked to the same cause. People do not “choose” to believe something because it is “correct” based on their observations. They are forced to believe whatever they believe merely by the chemistry in their head.
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I would like one of the advocates of free will to describe to me, if it is the ability to choose free from any coertion of thoughts, beliefs or desires to the contrary, what is valuable about it?
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And also, is it not simply a random element if you choose wholly freely, without any form of belief or desire affecting the decision?
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My belief is that it is impossible to make any choice or decision free of the mental framework you have. In a limited sense I am saying that I cannot choose to fly, because I have never learnt how.
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In purely theoretical cases you can argue "free will", but in practice it is either impossible, or a random element, which is therefore no more "free" than anything else - indeed, it is likely to be more damaging than something founded on reason, belief and desire.
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...because we could never truly understand it well enough to do so.
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...in order that things conspired in the world to make you pick red over blue. To talk of a free choice, or free will, is to assume that you are not governed by beliefs and desires which you have developed over time.
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Anyone here heard of the notion of the holographic universe? That every element of the universe has information on every other part of the universe, like every (...) bit of a hologram has information on the rest of it in order to function.. that's my belief.
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Another quick point - if you truly believe in free will, then surely free will can have no cause. Correct?
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So, I assume you all chose to be born? And for your parents, grandparents, great grandparents etc to breed until you existed?
That, if nothing else, is a cause for supposed "free will". And if it could not exist without a cause, I don't really think of it as any freer than the lightbulb coming on when the switch is flicked.
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If free will evolved, at what point in evolution did we become free from the deterministic processes that surround us?
the best smiles are the ones you lead to
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Isn't a "choice" just another word for "small parts of my brain doing things in accordance with natural laws." It would seem that this could be thought of as an outcome in and of itself.
Is a though (even one that we would commonly refer to as "making a choice") not merely a physical action that is similar in many ways to, say, digestion?
What a wonderful miracle if only we could look through each other's eyes for an instant.
Thoreau
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I propose that science is the only thing in a constant state of flux
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one thing which I think we can safely say without fear of making a claim that will be ridiculed at a later date is that every effect has a cause, which equally has a cause of its own.
He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.
Nietzsche
Written by: dreamI would disagree with that as well. There is no reason why causality would always hold true just because it seems common sense to the limited human mind. I dare say there are a myriad of effects in quantum dynamics to which there was no cause. And unless you invoke a continuous series of causes then the very creation of the universe must have had an ultimate cause which its self would have no cause.Written by: nearly all gone
one thing which I think we can safely say without fear of making a claim that will be ridiculed at a later date is that every effect has a cause, which equally has a cause of its own.
Close but no cigar.
Now if you'd have said
one thing which I think we can safely say without fear of making a claim that will be ridiculed at a later date is that every effect has a multiplicity of interdependent networked causes, which equally have a multiplicity of causes of their own.
then i wouldn't disagree
but i would add
These complex causal networks are themselves constantly in a state of flux.
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
the best smiles are the ones you lead to
Written by: FireTomTo avoid any chance of confusion and the possibility that someone might post while I'm writing.
What makes you quote an entire post, if it's right above your own?
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
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I dare say there are a myriad of effects in quantum dynamics to which there was no cause.
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And unless you invoke a continuous series of causes then the very creation of the universe must have had an ultimate cause which its self would have no cause.
He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.
Nietzsche
Written by: dreamThe EPR experiment only applies to particles which have undergone Quantum Entanglement.Written by: jeff(fake)Doesn't the EPR experiment suggest that everything is in fact interconnected and therefore at a quantum level everthing can or is causing everthying else?Just because this causality is not understood by limited scientific knowledge - which may be connected to limits of the human mind - doesn't make them random - in fact it suggests the opposite.
I dare say there are a myriad of effects in quantum dynamics to which there was no cause.
Written by: dreamBut where did god come from? That's my point. At some stage there had to be a cause with no reason.Written by: jeff(fake)
And unless you invoke a continuous series of causes then the very creation of the universe must have had an ultimate cause which its self would have no cause.
??? only if in the beginning there was nothing. And then a transcendent god created something - ie the universe.
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
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At some stage there had to be a cause with no reason
He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.
Nietzsche
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A proposal that the only thing that is constantly changing is human understanding of the natural world means necessarily that everything else is fixed and static. This is not true. I find it incredibly hard to believe that you need a detailed explanation of why.
What a wonderful miracle if only we could look through each other's eyes for an instant.
Thoreau
the best smiles are the ones you lead to
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
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