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Malcolm
Malcolm

HOP admin
Location: HOP
Member Since: 18th Nov 2003
Total posts: 995
Posted:Sorry people after last COL5 I am not willing to make another one. Please do continue to share on the net as you do and link to your videos in the video forum.



I will do some other project instead, hopefully with Pele.



PS This is a sad moment for me too as I have really enjoyed putting these together hug



Malcolm


"May your balls always burn"

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Pele
Pele

the henna lady
Location: WNY, USA
Member Since: 15th Dec 2000
Total posts: 6193
Posted:That would then turn it from Circles of Light to Circus of Light.

I am curious. I had been wondering this myself after perusing the "other" forum.
Malcolm, where is the breaking point to which not as spinny based arts are allowed in the COL's?
Is it preferably to have a the main focus on spinning/twirling arts? (this would be my guess)

Or just something that can be lit up and manipulated? (which is just about anything)

For me one is definately representative of a place named Home of Poi while the other is more representative of circus.

I think by maintaining focus on the primary arts here on the site we allow a broader range of people the comfort zone and capability of being in the "year book" per se, where as if everyone enters various other circus based arts, those who are not as advanced but still want to enter may feel intimidated, or the entries will take a attention away from the spinning arts. Which is what HoP is based on.

I could keep going, as I have other suggestions but they keep circling around in my head and I am making myself confuzzled! lol

Hmmmmmm....curiouser and curiouser.


Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
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arsn
arsn

How do you change this thing???
Location: Behind the couch...
Member Since: 7th Mar 2002
Total posts: 1903
Posted:How about we call it, "arsn and the rest of the gang from Hop"... or you could choose to skip my sagestion and go for something a little more community based. I think the name Col is a good name. It coul be Col v2, or "Lock", (Light of Community Kind), or something like that... but don't forget to put arsn in there somewhere biggrin tongue ubblol

Malcolm, on a side note, I'm sure that this had to have had alot of thought put into this. I know that you are and have always been proud of the Col seris. Desiding to stop the competition side of things and make only a community based project wouldn't have been an easy thing to do. I respect the fact that you have still chosen to continue bringing real videos of fellow hoppers to the homes of many. So put me down for buying a copy. wave


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fraggle
fraggle

member
Location: denver, colorado
Member Since: 14th Apr 2004
Total posts: 94
Posted:what no COL oh man

dance your cares away
worries for another day
so let the music play
down in fragle rock

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Valura
Valura

Mumma Hen
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Member Since: 25th Apr 2002
Total posts: 6391
Posted:is there an echo in here?

TAJ "boat mummy." VALURA "yes sweetie you went on a boat, was daddy there with you?" TAJ "no, but monkey on boat" VALURA "well then sweetie, Daddy WAS there with you"

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DJ Dantana
veteran
Location: Stillwater, Ok. USA
Member Since: 15th Aug 2001
Total posts: 1495
Posted:HAH HAH !!! Sweetness. I knew you wouldn't really cancle it on us Malcolm hug

Ok, this year I swear to not break any bones... really... I'm in... yea...

MAybe since there is no competition this year, arashi will actually enter... tongue

shake yo booty! eek


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flid
flid

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Warwickshire
Member Since: 27th Aug 2002
Total posts: 3136
Posted:I think it's a great idea smile

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UCOF
UCOF

Carpal \'Tunnel

Member Since: 17th Apr 2002
Total posts: 15414
Posted:~carrying from Pele~



I dont think there should be any other circus skills allowed on the new COL series, as indeed, it is Home of Poi and it is Circles of Light.



So unless you wer contacting with Globalls, there would be no circles of light.



I dont know.. call me a fool if you wish.



I do other stuff including other stuff including balls (Contact juggling, juggling, erm.. ) but I do think it should be restricted to Poi and staffs.



Where would you draw the line?



You allow Contact juggling one year, then juggling the next, then diablo after that, and before you know it, people are using yo-yos and miming.



I dont want any mimes artists on COL, so im taking my stand.




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TheWibbler
old hand
Location: New Zealand
Member Since: 11th Apr 2003
Total posts: 920
Posted:plus if you allow lots of other toys it'll end up just like the spherculism dvd wink

Spherculism ~:~ The Act of becoming Spherculish.

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nearly_all_gone
nearly_all_gone

Pooh-Bah
Location: Southampton
Member Since: 3rd Aug 2004
Total posts: 1626
Posted:Just an idea.. if it's by the community for the community.. could we have a photo-montage? So everyone who wants to submit a pic of them/them spinning (with their name on, if they want) could.. then maybe they could all flash up at the end or something, in alphabetical order or whatever..?

I think it would be cool, and with DVD technology we could all freeze it on us and brag about being on a DVD biggrin

Just a nice thing for the people who aren't good enough to get a vid on it..

Just an idea.


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LazyAngel
LazyAngel

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Location: Cambridge UK
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Total posts: 2895
Posted:UCOF: ain't you seen those fire contact juggling balls? coiled kevlar outside and flame inside.

About the DVD: Yeah can we put on 'special features' like a 'bloopers' section and a 'deleted scenes' section. And how about an interview with Malcolm or optional commentary throughout? wink

seriously though, I know it is home of poi, but i've seen that sticks and whips are allowed in CoL. if the name is CIRCLES of light does it matter what prop is being used so long as it is being spun/rotated/ used in a way that makes a 'circle of light'?


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UCOF
UCOF

Carpal \'Tunnel

Member Since: 17th Apr 2002
Total posts: 15414
Posted:erm.. not the fire contact ones... but I have seen the juggling balls... so i cant imagine they will be that much different.

I also think a bloopers section would be great.
smile No one does enough of them.

Yes. I also want an interview with Malcolm. In which he addresses us all individually by name wink


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fluffy napalm fairy
fluffy napalm fairy

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Location: Brum / Dorset / Fairy Land
Member Since: 12th Dec 2001
Total posts: 3638
Posted:clap

Geologists do it in the dirt................ spank

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2bags
2bags

enthusiast
Location: bristol, uk
Member Since: 12th Apr 2004
Total posts: 272
Posted:i think you should be allowed to enter with any prop you like,
then malcolm can decide if it's worthy or fits in with the feel
of the rest of the video.

i don't want to enter doing poi 'cos it's not something i feel
confident with. but i do want to enter with a juggling routine,
and i feel that poi and juggling have a lot in common.

i consider myself to be part of the hop community. i think it
would be unfair to tell people that they can only enter doing
poi or staff if there strengths lie elsewhere. if it's intended as
a community video now rather than a competition then
surely anyone from the community should be allowed to
enter.

also, i would very much like to see an contact juggling entry
from durbs 'cos his "nearly" video is fantastic. ubbrollsmile


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2bags
2bags

enthusiast
Location: bristol, uk
Member Since: 12th Apr 2004
Total posts: 272
Posted:and i think if the video is called "circles of light 2005" people
will confuse it with "circles of light 5". so we should call it
"circles of light 2006" 'cos that makes much more sense smile.

or maybe "home of poi 2005" to differentiate it from the
the cols now that it is a vastly different beast.

i think the photo montage is a very good idea.


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Pele
Pele

the henna lady
Location: WNY, USA
Member Since: 15th Dec 2000
Total posts: 6193
Posted:The thing with juggling and other things is that there are other places dedicated just to that already. There are alot of people who have started in poi who feel they are not good enough yet to be on the videos.
The point is to use the desire to be on the video as motivation to get better, not to simply default to a strength. This is, after all, Home of Poi and the video should reflect that first and foremost, just as it has *always* done.

And as I said before, it is not a different beast at all, it is still the same, only the prizes have changed.


Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK

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mcp
mcp

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Location: Edin-borrow.
Member Since: 20th May 2003
Total posts: 5276
Posted:can I point at this thread?

I think all posts should start with captain <name> here. It would be a lot more fun.

I'm sure you'ree all very good jugglers and contact jugglers, but if I wanted to see that stuff, I'd go to a convention, or peapot.net or glass. That seems harsh, but I really just want more staff for staff rather that poi... tongue


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"the still legendary" - Kaskade

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onewheeldave
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Location: sheffield
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Total posts: 3252
Posted:Written by: 2bags

i think you should be allowed to enter with any prop you like,
then malcolm can decide if it's worthy or fits in with the feel
of the rest of the video.




Written by: Pele

The thing with juggling and other things is that there are other places dedicated just to that already. There are alot of people who have started in poi who feel they are not good enough yet to be on the videos.
............



I'd like to be able to have at least part of my entry using other skills; juggling, contact etc are a big part of what I am.

I think COL buyers would love to see other beautiful skills mixed in with the poi.

COL 5 had what amounted to juggling in one entry (using staffs) and it was fascinating- really stood out.

I agree that an entry consisting entirely of a juggling routine would most likely be innapropriate- but then again it wouldn't pass the judges selection; it's be a shame if an entry that had a portion of non-poi was automatically excluded.

My impression of the internet is that some other skills are well catered for (diabolo.ca, unicyclist.com etc).

I have yet to find a juggling resource that in anyway approaches HOP- we've got the IJJdb, but, though I do post on it, it is a very different thing to HOP and not especially user-friendly.

HOP is a thriving community whose members practice a variety of skills- many poi-ers branch onto juggling, and now, many jugglers are seeing the value of poi and coming over here to join in.

=============

At the end of the day it's just something that has to be decided (to allow juggling etc or not) and it's not something I'm going to push hard for, but, I do want to express my opinion (that a portion of juggling/other skills is OK).

And I would like, at some point, for a decision to be made and put on the COL guidelines so we all know what the score is.


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But you can make the Bastard work for it."

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onewheeldave
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Location: sheffield
Member Since: 28th Aug 2002
Total posts: 3252
Posted:And, another thing I'd like to see is more non-fire stuff. Judging by the proportion of 'fire in the dark' entries on the last COL, I felt that many people went for that approach possibly because it looks very appealing.

Given that there is to be some form of judging, one easy way to encourage more non-fire and daylight footage would be to have a category for fire, and another for unlit and daylight stuff.


"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."

--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32


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2bags
2bags

enthusiast
Location: bristol, uk
Member Since: 12th Apr 2004
Total posts: 272
Posted:Written by: onewheeldave

COL 5 had what amounted to juggling in one entry (using staffs) and it was fascinating- really stood out.




i believe it had staff juggling in two entries (but sadly the staff juggling in
the rubber heart duo's entry was the much better of the two). it also had
some fire club juggling in one of the entries which i thought went really
well with the poi and staff smile.


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PK_
PK_

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Member Since: 20th Dec 2001
Total posts: 4991
Posted:Written by: onewheeldave

I have yet to find a juggling resource that in anyway approaches HOP- we've got the IJJdb, but, though I do post on it, it is a very different thing to HOP and not especially user-friendly.



wink that would all depend on your language skills!.
I read a hell of a lot of euopean forums in juggling, poi, unicycling... there are countless commmunities that are thrieving... but the lack of the non english speakers means that they have thier own sites that limit the user base to that country alone.

Just think if all of the communities pulled together... maybe one day we would all just walk the earth in the same reality. wink

I'm liking the other toy aproach too!. i understand your point pele with the HOP thing.. maybe a sectioned DVD with poi/staff/uni's/juggling etc... that way we can all cut the crap plus makes things more interesting for us viewers...


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In giving love there is an equal grace.
Nor need one seek the aura in the face,
As love unveils the beauty of all things."

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fNi
fNi

master of disaster
Location: New York
Member Since: 8th Mar 2004
Total posts: 3354
Posted:what about other props.. like fire swords and the like? are they to be strewn by the wayside?



i think the most important guideline in this is to read the rules



8. Must be doing swinging , twirling, or any of the fire arts.


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ben-ja-men
ben-ja-men

just lost .... evil init
Location: Adelaide
Member Since: 12th Jun 2003
Total posts: 2474
Posted:hehe i cant see other props being a problem for awhile remember all the complaints about poorly shot videos? remember all the lazy people *cough*rob*cough* that promise an entry every year but never put one in? more entrys means more to choose from maybe we will be able to see everyone in focus with enough light in col 2005, if everyone allows malcolm to edit it would mean the best of everything .... hehe thats a big if

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Pele
Pele

the henna lady
Location: WNY, USA
Member Since: 15th Dec 2000
Total posts: 6193
Posted:I have to say I am really frustrated with the mentality of many on here.

Until the contest was removed, no one questioned the rules. And now, everyone seems to.

The rules have not changed.
Thanks FNI, as it was what I was about to post when I saw it.

And as for Malcolm being allowed to edit, it is also asked that people submit a short span of their best material so that alot of editting does not need to happen.

On the first video people sent in hours of spinning. Malcolm and others had to sit through all of it and determine what was good enough to use and what was not. That particular guideline was put in place the next year so that would not happen again.

I am saddened by the disregard for the time that people already put into these videos. I should think that everyone would be grateful that they weren't cancelled altogether (which, btw, I was a proponent of), instead of attempting to change the rules and make more work for those involved in its production.

Give an inch, take a mile. :sad:


Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK

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ben-ja-men
ben-ja-men

just lost .... evil init
Location: Adelaide
Member Since: 12th Jun 2003
Total posts: 2474
Posted:what i ment with the editing is instead of all the 4 minute entrys being on there perhaps some of them which have areas that are a little repedative could be shorted so more fit on, possibly even a 5-10 minute flicking through clip type deal (ppl could possibly be asked to attach a 10 second clip specifically for it to save malcolm editing time) could be on at the end like the photo montage idea so that everyone who sends in an entry gets to be on there even if its only the breif 10 second clip, i think it would be great if there was so of the social nature somehow captured possibly with some footage of spitz/burning man type places seeings as its more of a class of 2005 type video rather than competition. maybe a special features to the dvd with ppls photos fire and otherwise (gotta love the tiny amount of space they take up relatively speaking)



im happy to say that i got back some professionally filmed footage (omg i want a 3ccd camear of my own soooo much now) of a friend of mine spinning poi at the beach (a proper beach with actual sand none of this english rubbish immitation stuff with its shell grit ubbloco hug) just before and during sunset, it turned out soooo much better than hoped and shall be shortly on its way over as an entry to col 2005 biggrin should hopefully get getting some more footage done in a national park with a waterfull and cliff edge to a national park type stuff happening



pele what is it thats saddening you? if malcolm doesnt like the idea of modifying the rules he wont.



when im frustrated i watch this http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/lyle_24/myhero.html
(you need activex enabled) and im always smiley after biggrin


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Socks

Arf! Can I have a biscut?
Location: North America, Mid West
Member Since: 28th Nov 2004
Total posts: 288
Posted:I still wanna do something glowstaff oriented tho....

Fire scares me.

Socks


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ben-ja-men
ben-ja-men

just lost .... evil init
Location: Adelaide
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Total posts: 2474
Posted:if u rig up a blacklight and wear appropriate clothes itll make u stand out and if your using chemical glowies on ur staff it will illuminate em more otherwise some laundry powder (some of them glow something wicked) on the inside of your staff will make it glow extra crazy, could possibly look really effective having black lights on laundry powder all over the floor (nice n easy to vacuum up) mmmm ideas

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PK_
PK_

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Member Since: 20th Dec 2001
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Posted:Written by: Pele

I should think that everyone would be grateful that they weren't cancelled altogether (which, btw, I was a proponent of



aww bless people can top taking credit for this now then too rolleyes


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In giving love there is an equal grace.
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As love unveils the beauty of all things."

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onewheeldave
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Posted:Written by: fNi


i think the most important guideline in this is to read the rules

8. Must be doing swinging , twirling, or any of the fire arts.


It's the guidelines that make me ask about juggling and other skills.

Do they exclude juggling? If so then the presence of staff juggling on COL 5 is a little confusing.

It also seems a little strange that juggling with fire balls/clubs would be ok, but not with unlit stuff.

Like I said before, I'm not saying that entries consisting entirely of contact/juggling/other skills are what I'd like to see on COL; but I think that interspersed segments in peoples entries would serve to: -

1. Make the DVD more interesting
2. Allow people to share their other skills and creativity
3. Inspire others to try out those skills

In addition it could help to encourage entrants to shift away from the 100% fire mentality.


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But you can make the Bastard work for it."

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jools
newbie

Member Since: 6th Oct 2004
Total posts: 7
Posted:Yep... if i can get 'round to making another video this year it'll have more of my toys in! ...i'll still have chains - (the old favorite!) but i think variation is a good thing. And as long as it's spinning/rotating/rolling/making pretty patterns... all the better juggle angel2

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ado-p
ado-p

Pirate Ninja
Location: Galway/Ireland
Member Since: 13th May 2004
Total posts: 3882
Posted:i'll buy it if jools is on it.



smile



(still my fave on the entire dvd )





as for spinny things. where does this leave fire fingers?



My vote is for variety. the judges can make sure the vid is sufficiently HOP orientated.



Written by: Pele


This is, after all, Home of Poi and the video should reflect that first and foremost, just as it has *always* done.

.





'Were doing it this way because we always did' confused



besides, if the shop sells a toy there is no reason you shouldnt be able to showcase it on a community dvd sold in the same shop.





Love is the law.

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