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Skulduggery
GOLD Member since Aug 2004

Skulduggery

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Posted:Ok I'm NOT putting up this thread to name, names or shame anyone but I feel something needs to be said.

Please can you take care what advice or information you give people when placing posts on this board. Sometimes people read things on the board and because its in type they take it to be utterly true and correct.

I noticed yesterday that someone had advised a person on burns, saying that you should put second and third degree burns under water for 10 mins. Anyone with medical knowledge would tell you NEVER to put burns where the skin is broken into water because of the potential for infection of the wound.

I know this information is available on this site in the Fire Safety pages, but this particular poster had obviously not read these pages.

Please just be careful with what you tell others when it comes to safety and technical information. If you get it wrong and they follow your advice and get hurt how will you feel? Pretty crappy I'm guessing.


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gita
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Posted:good thinking skully!! clap

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Doc Lightning
GOLD Member since May 2001

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Posted:I even wrote an article on first aid for burns.

-Mike )'(
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snork


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Posted:you can buy distilled sterile water in pharmacys, I saw it the other day.

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Skulduggery
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Posted:And your point is snork?

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ImmortalAngel
SILVER Member since Jan 2004

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Posted:I think he meant to say that the water wouldn't infect the burn.
I don't think he realised that once the skin is broken it starts to get infected no matter what you do -.-


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Posted:afaik they use it or something like it in hospitals to clean burns. Perhaps applying it on the way to the hospital would be useful.

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ImmortalAngel
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Posted:They apply it in hospitals to clean it out, and they only do it right before the give it the proper medical attention. Unless you've got a team of paramedics and field surgeons, don't pour it on a 3rd degree burn. The doctors will leave the spinning to you, as long as you leave the medical attention to them.

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Doc Lightning
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Posted:Snork, a hospital is a controlled environment where they can irrigate the wound after sterilizing the surrounding area. A little different than pouring sterile water on it.

-Mike )'(
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Gidg
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Posted:clap Skully and Lightning

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GothFrogette
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Posted:Written by: ...Lightning...

Snork, a hospital is a controlled environment where they can irrigate the wound after sterilizing the surrounding area. A little different than pouring sterile water on it.



hehe yeah and if your in this country and really lucky you can catch MRS in really nice sterile enviroment.(man from my town made a cream that stops mrs BTW)
on the more seriouse note
yet again skully has come up with a great idea, but if some one telly you to but butter on your burn plaes make sure you d o it every 15 min to make sure your evenly basted and criispy.
And eating loads of choc when depressed may make you feel a little better at the time but just think how crappier you will feel when you weigh yourself.


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Skulduggery
GOLD Member since Aug 2004

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Posted:*bump*



I see bad advice happening again so I thought some people might like a little reminder. Again no names...... I'm not into pointing and shaming.



Do NOT wet your hair or clothes to spin fire. Doing this can result in very nasty steam burns.



I happen to know this from Falmouth. A small accident occured and I ended up with a steam burn on my arm (it had been raining). I never knew such a small burn could hurt so much for so long!



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PyroWill
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Posted:Good point Skully, whoever picked that out first must have been brilliant wink

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PyroWill
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Posted:And regarding that post the person in question made i also dislike that then about 2 other people glorified it saying how wet hair looks cool, etc, how can 3 random people on this website not know one of the basics of fire saftey frown and its a shame that it got several posts down without anyone saying anything until i stepped in, please be careful guys in what u say

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Medusa
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Posted:I'm glad this was bumped...this morning on our Perth fire board someone posted that a new person should also wet their hair before twirling to reduce the risk of singeing their hair....I quoted back to this thread and also something Pyrowill said in another thread to make my point known that it was NOT a good idea to put water on yourself before twirling.

It kinda scares me that people don't do their research into the safety aspects of fire twirling before just jumping in.


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Pele
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Posted:I've **dampened** my hair for nrealy a decade, and so has everyone I have spun with or taught. We have found it to be far more safe than wearing hats or scarves.
Hair does not have a large enough surface area to hold enough water to cause steam burns, unless you put a hat on over wet hair (then it turns into a steamer). I had asked a physics professor I know who also does oral fire arts. Even dry and without product it only singes unless doused in fuel or tangled.

Keep in mind when correcting people that sometimes it is semantics, or small nuances....which *are* very important when dealing with safety but none-the-less they may not be completely wrong.


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Dexta
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Posted:Thank you for that Pele (as I was the person Medusa was referring to).

And I said that "damp hair will help" not wet hair.

I didn't know about the steam burn thing so that's good to learn. Yes, yes, I know I should read the safety stuff. But in my defence i was following the instructions in the safety section of a poi book which also incidentally suggests that you have a wet towel and bucket of water on standby in case you burn yourself or set a part of you on fire.


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newgabe
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Posted:Dexta, I think it makes a difference whether the skin is broken or not. IMHO Cold water is helpful for 1st degree burns where the skin is not broken... but not for worse burns where the skin is broken....

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Doc Lightning
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Posted:So as far as First Aid for Burns...

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flid
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Posted:i agree completely skully, I generally don't post in threads I know nothing about and say if something i'm saying is speculation. I regularly have arguments with people making technical posts on this board who're talking jibberish, and regularly tell people that they shouldn't be asking some questions online which should really be asked to a professional.

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Posted:If somone was spinning with damp or wet hair and the poi hit it and bounced away would it instantly create steam and burn you? I dont think so. But if fire poi bounced off dry hair it would catch fire right away and burn you.

If the poi somehow got tangled around your head and stayed long enough to create steam fair enough it would burn you.

But in the same situation with a hat on wouldnt the hat catch fire and possibly stick to your head? That seems a whole lot worse.


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Pele
BRONZE Member since Dec 2000

Pele

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Posted:Written by: Spiderbaby

If somone was spinning with damp or wet hair and the poi hit it and bounced away would it instantly create steam and burn you? I dont think so. But if fire poi bounced off dry hair it would catch fire right away and burn you.

If the poi somehow got tangled around your head and stayed long enough to create steam fair enough it would burn you.

But in the same situation with a hat on wouldnt the hat catch fire and possibly stick to your head? That seems a whole lot worse.



If you bounce off of dry hair it doesn't immediately go up in flames. It singes. I have done it a million and ten times. Damp helps to protect against singeing.

If it tangles, wet, dry or covered...you are in trouble. At that point it's (pun intended) splitting hairs over which is best.


Pele
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Posted:While I do appreciate that there are lots of people who are trained in fire safety; it might be an idea for the forums to adopt a "no-medical-advice" rule.

While there maybe a few members i'm guessing that most of you aren't professionals in the field of medicine, i.e. aren't doctors..nurses etc!

If anybody takes what people say on here as medical advice, then the owners of these forums are liable if anything goes wrong!!


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Fine_Rabid_Dog


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Posted:But then what would the point of the Help and technical disscussion forums?

The reason they are there is for people to ask so that others who have the knowledge can share it.


The existance of flamethrowers says that someone, somewhere, at sometime said "I need to set that thing on fire, but it's too far away."

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Posted:well yes of course.....i'm just saying this because the owners of these forums are responsible for the content and as my post says above they could be sued.

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thegreatnoname


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Posted:I have a question about the dry hair thing. Would hairspray or hairglue make your hair go up faster? I don't use glue before I play with fire just to be sure but it is something that I was wondering.

Isn't sanity a one trick pony? Rational thought is all you get but when you are crazy the sky is the limit.

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Fine_Rabid_Dog


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Posted:shrug

Oh gee, a site about fire spinning is dangerous?

Wow, Id better be careful rolleyes


The existance of flamethrowers says that someone, somewhere, at sometime said "I need to set that thing on fire, but it's too far away."

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Posted:There are plenty of warnings about the dangers of fire spinning all over this site so I highly doubt that Malcolm could be found liable if someone hurt themselves. As for the medical professionals thing we do have at least one doctor on the forums and a number of others who, while they may not be professionals, do have a lot of experience in the field of fire related injuries.
Obviously any advice given on the internet should ber taken with a pinch of salt but that goes for all information on the internet (thats the problem with the freedom aspect of it. Everyone is free to push their views and personal knowledge but not everyone is right).


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Posted:Thanks Pele. As for splitting hairs over which one is best, im going to go for the damp hair ( its cheaper than a hat )

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Pele
BRONZE Member since Dec 2000

Pele

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Posted:Written by: greenlizard0

While I do appreciate that there are lots of people who are trained in fire safety; it might be an idea for the forums to adopt a "no-medical-advice" rule.

While there maybe a few members i'm guessing that most of you aren't professionals in the field of medicine, i.e. aren't doctors..nurses etc!

If anybody takes what people say on here as medical advice, then the owners of these forums are liable if anything goes wrong!!



Not going to happen. On the site and in order to be a member you agree to hold HoP administrators, moderators, members and contributors free of liability. So therefore, no-one can be held liable on here.

Next, the resident Dr. has now twice, in this thread, linked to his article on burns. There are several of us who are medical professionals (I can think of 3 nurses off the top of my head) and several more who are First Aide certified or EMT's. There are ***numerous*** threads, and even articles which I have written about what to wear and not to wear... I am confused as to why this is an issue currently. A simple search on the net or on the site to double check anything is quick and painless.

I agree it is silly to simply take the word of a stranger on the net as gospel without double checking...but also do not underestimate the people that are here...or the fact that we know how to cover our bums.


Pele
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Posted:lol@Pele
and you can hang a big ditto on that too...


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