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Gnarly Cranium
SILVER Member since Feb 2005

Gnarly Cranium

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Location: San Francisco

Total posts: 186
Posted:I've only recently discovered poi, just a rank beginner ordering my first practice set and figuring out how it all works... and I'm curious what's up with this obsession with fire.

Do people just hate tailed poi for some reason? In all the pictures and videos I've seen, and from the performances I've seen (though I've only seen glow poi and tailed in real life, not fire) I definitely liked the tailed poi a lot better, the flow of it was just plain hypnotic and nifty. That was the first type I ever saw actually, I walked all the way across a park just to figure out what the heck I was looking at.

Glow poi hurt, and don't have too much of an effect unless you're in the dark. Fire poi hurt when they hit you too, and also come with nasty smells, fuel stains, fuel spills, legal issues, safety equipment AND a person supervising nearby to help with safety, and all sorts of possibilities of maiming. You can't use them indoors, and unless you get into wacky chemicals they only come in one color.

Now, don't get me wrong, fire is cool (I'm descended from a long line of pyros myself), but are tailed poi really THAT boring? So they tangle sometimes, and they aren't too great outside in a wind, but for anything indoors shouldn't they be great?

Not trying to stir up a riot here if I'm unknowingly stepping into some kind of nasty sea of prejudice and resentment wink , just curious as to how people decide on their favorite toys.


"Ours is not to question The Head; it is enough to revel in the ubiquitous inanity of The Head, the unwanted proximity of The Head, the unrelenting HellPresence of The Head, indeed the very UNYIELDING IRRELEVANCE of The Head!" --Revelation X

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onewheeldave
GOLD Member since Aug 2002

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Posted:About fire I agree fully; I don't like the constant assumption that spinning=fire either.



A lot of really good spinners either do very little, or no, fire stuff.



Not that fires bad; simply that spinning=fire is not true.



Tailed poi are OK; but most people who get into advanced poi end up not using them.



Sock poi are definitly a lot better for doing stuff like hyperloops, throws, one handed stuff etc.



I think if you're in a park and want the visual effect, then tails are useful; but 99% of my spinning is with socks with water ballons in the end.


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But you can make the Bastard work for it."

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PK_
BRONZE Member since Dec 2001

PK_

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Posted:i only play with tails or cones.... fire aint all that... my socks just keep my feet warm, i dont spin those.

PK.

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In giving love there is an equal grace.
Nor need one seek the aura in the face,
As love unveils the beauty of all things."

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Burning Brain


Burning Brain

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Posted:play with glowsticks wink

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Medusa
BRONZE Member since Nov 2003

Medusa

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Posted:Personally preference really.

A lot of people like the sound and the rush of doing it with fire.

I like a mix of everything....gnor made me some flags about two months ago and I love them...they are great for playing during the day.

I also love my fire at night.

I'm not big on LED or glow stuff though it is good for practicing at night so you can see what you are doing.


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schism


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Posted:Written by: Burning Brain

play with glowsticks wink



I love the look of glowsticks, but there's not enough weight in them - I have to spin too fast and keep hitting myself.

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UCOF
SILVER Member since Apr 2002

UCOF

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Posted:Written by: OWD
but 99% of my spinning is with socks with water ballons in the end.



One Wheel Dave.... HOP's very own Evel Knievel.

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I never use tails anymore. They tangle too easily, dont feel big enough, you cant put Aerotechs in the bottom.

I belive it is only new spinners that use tails automatically before they have tried socks or cones.


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Gnarly Cranium
SILVER Member since Feb 2005

Gnarly Cranium

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Location: San Francisco

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Posted:But why?

Socks/cones just don't look like much. I don't quite get it.

If a tailed poi doesn't feel big enough you can just unsew a corner and stuff more weight in it. It would be just as easy to stick a glowy thing in there too. And the tails could be made shorter if certain moves make for too much tangling... although skill seems to have a lot to do with tangling too, if one is good enough to spin with fire, tails shouldn't be a problem?


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Gnor
BRONZE Member since Mar 2003

Gnor

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Posted:Have you played with the different poi types?? Maybe give yourself a few months and have a play with different toys. Taste can change over time and to what effect you want. Fire is heaps of fun but flags look good anytime and conepoi are great. Once you start to look at the moves and whats happening rather than straight visual impact of tails mightnt seem as important.

Play with them all!!
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LazyAngel
GOLD Member since Jul 2004

LazyAngel

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Posted:my first set of poi are tailed and i still like to use them when I practise- they're just a little light to isolate, and impossible to do any tangly move with. However, they are really nice to muck around with for throws- you have three times as many handles to catch! wink I still use socks when trying anything a bit more technical though. The thing about fire is that when you've nailed a new move with your practise poi AND your unlit fire poi, it's really nice to nail it while the poi are flaming: there's nothing like seeing a new move burn it's way through the night! ubblove

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Orbit
SILVER Member since Dec 2003

Orbit

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Total posts: 270
Posted:First of all, you must be writing from the US. The US poi spinning community is very fire-oriented, as people come to poi often through seeing it at Burning Man or via a pagan community or something like that. In the UK and other places, the bulk of people discover poi through juggling or from seeing tails flying in a park. Anyhow, if you're looking for people who don't spend much time with fire, you've found the right place.

I agree with Gnorc. Tastes totally change over time. I've gone through non-tailed "practice" poi, cones, socks, fire (for a while I ONLY spun with fire, 3-4 times a week), and am just now starting to enjoy tails. For a long time, my tails just got too tangled too easily, and wouldn't allow me to do the moves I really enjoyed. I do a lot of thread-the-needle and butterfly-based moves, and those are a pain to do with tails because they get in the way. Tangling up tails is aweful. Socks and cones come untangled very easily - essential for hyperloops and airwraps.

In defense of *fire*... have you spun with fire yet? Tails really can't compare to fire when it comes to mesmorizing... the light, the heat, and the SOUND. Mmmm... Plus you have the ritual involved in dipping, spinning out, safety, etc. etc. and the balance between fear and confidence.


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onewheeldave
GOLD Member since Aug 2002

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Location: sheffield

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Posted:Written by: Gnarly Cranium






Socks/cones just don't look like much. I don't quite get it.









I've seen way more interesting, and nice looking spinning done with socks than tails.



Additionally-



sock poi are very easy to make/customise



better at juggling clubs (non spinners find tailed poi to be much more distracting than sock poi due to the noise and visuals)



I think also that there are very few decent tailed poi available. The 'poitoy' brand really stood out as decent tailed poi- every other set I've tried either had too long tails or the weighting was totally off.


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But you can make the Bastard work for it."

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Faberg
GOLD Member since Aug 2003

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Location: Dublin, Ireland

Total posts: 1459
Posted:Written by: onewheeldave

About fire I agree fully; I don't like the constant assumption that spinning=fire either

A lot of really good spinners either do very little, or no, fire stuff.




Written by: pk ....:

i only play with tails or cones.... fire aint all that...



that's coz you guys have been spinning for yeeeeeeeeaaaaars!! smile

you can't convince me that you didn't get a rush from spinning fire in the beginning, and you probably would not have been attracted to spinning in the first place if all it ever was was ribbons on a piece of string/stick.

i have many different types of poi for all occasions

- tails for in a park on a sunny day
- socks for practising at home
- LED's for parties, clubs etc
- fire devil

and i play with all of them. i probably play with my socks the most, i practise with them anywhere between 3 & 7 days a week.

for me it's still pretty much about the fire, but i've ony been spinning a year and a half, so i'm still a relative newbie. i LOVE nailing a new move with my socks, but then can't wait to nail it with fire. we only spin fire about once every 3 weeks, as we don't really get together for a burn more often than that. but i like it that way, it keeps it special. i'm sure the novelty would soon wear off if there were a burn in dublin every other nite...

no one says you have to spin fire. it's personal preference. tails are beautiful, and so are LED's (and they only hurt when you hit yourself, so practise more and stop hitting yourself smile)

i'm also in the process of making tailed double staffs at the moment biggrin


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nearly_all_gone
SILVER Member since Aug 2004

nearly_all_gone

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Posted:Written by: Gnarly Cranium

fire is cool


There you go.

Fire is an option, not a necessity, b ut personally I get a rush every time I burn which I don't get from socks. The feeling, the noise, the trails, the effect it has on onlookers, the fact they go out after 4 minutes so you can search for the "perfect burn", waiting all day for night to fall so you can have a proper burn..

I don't burn a lot compared to many people, it seems, but I look on it as an amazing treat when I can find a place and the time to do it smile

But there's nothing wrong with any other type of spinning, it's just they don't have the feeling of danger that fire does (I know, maybe it's because I set my head on fire first time I burned or something but meh, feels good to me!).


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ado-p
GOLD Member since May 2004

ado-p

Pirate Ninja
Location: Galway/Ireland

Total posts: 3882
Posted:Just get a staff

problem solved

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spiralx


spiralx

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Posted:I still like my tailed poi, I've got a set that I've had since I started spinning and they're perfectly balanced and weighted. But a lot of the moves I do are a lot trickier with tails - you can do them but you have to be really spot on. And when they get tangled up they take ages to undo again.

But butterfly hyperloops are actually easier than normal ones with tails wink

As for fire I don't really spin fire very often - it's nice when it's around but it's not why I spin at all - it's for me and not an audience...


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Gnor
BRONZE Member since Mar 2003

Gnor

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Location: Perth

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Posted:Written by: ado-p

Just get a staff

problem solved


ubblol ubblol

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Stout
SILVER Member since May 2004

Stout

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Location: Canada

Total posts: 1872
Posted:Wow...everything I wanted to say on this thread has already been said. but once you try fire, you'll see what all the fuss is about. I tried flags for the first time a couple of days ago, and I have to get myself a set but there's just something special about working with fire.

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_pOp_
BRONZE Member since Aug 2003

Playing OldSchool Poi
Location: amsterdam

Total posts: 593
Posted:ahhhhh, fire, pretty lights....
yeah, not much more to add here except maybe:

when I started out I liked the trail of light that fire poi leaves on your vision, with that in mind I always thought that tailed poi were daytime version of the fire poi. the same trail but different. so it's definately one of my 2 favourites visually.

right now I have a wide collection of things I poi with: fire poi, fire ropes, tailed poi, sock poi, juggling cones (these are really good to show/learn new moves because you can do them in slow-motion), rock-on-a-string, shopping bags, microphone cables, dirty laundry, clean laundry, anything that will spin really. but when I'm alone practicing or just spinning (is the same thing really) I find myself using either sock poi or my unlit firepoi (I love the way the chain feels in my hand, and also because this way I'll have the feeling of the weight integrated in the moves, just in case I might get the urge to light up).

whenever I go outside to play, I always bring some tailed poi as well, in case people want to play with it, or when they ask me to show something and i want it to look nice. but I am seriously considering making some flagpoi to take with me instead.


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nearly_all_gone
SILVER Member since Aug 2004

nearly_all_gone

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Posted:Written by: Parliament Of Peace

rock-on-a-string


ubblol

I always take a few pairs spare out.. people always seem to want a go when they see poi in action, even if they think "it sounds crap" rolleyes


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pricklyleaf
SILVER Member since Mar 2005

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Posted:I've recently bought some heavey tailed poi that makes them a bit easier to use but more painful. I think different poi suit different occasions. If you're trying to look really impressive than fire will win most of the time a it is dangerous. Most of the time though I spin with tails or glow. I think tails are really good practice to keep to your plains, making neater tricks. I agree that fire poi are special and exhilarating but I think there is lots o fun to be had elsewhere too!

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Charles
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Charles

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Posted:And what about tailed staffs? eek

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newgabe
SILVER Member since Mar 2005

newgabe

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Posted:I love my tails! Sonic stars I think they're called.. the tails are quite long and it's been great to start out with them cos it's made me more aware of planes and placement so as NOT to tangle them. If I use them on short string it's fine... and long string when I'm feeling bolder... I love the way they define the space around you. I do much bigger moves than the sockmob tend to and take up loads of space and that's a great feeling. I've tried socks a few times but because I'm not up to doing isolations and all that I run out of anything to have fun with really fast. I could practice more, but it feels like work rather than a release/destress.....Comes down to that difference between the 'technical' 'London' styler and the feral freestyler I guess!

When I'm trying to learn something I usually start with the glowies cause they're shortish, then the tails, then fire. And flags are fun but I can't do so much with them really.


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Posted:I LOVE fire...the smell, the sound, the adrenaline rush, the colour, the heat...everything about it..sooo nice.
But i like normal poi too
fluffy, flaggy, practisy, sockish, tailish, glowish are all good...its poi...fun fun fun FUN


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Mr Majestik
SILVER Member since Mar 2004

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Posted:as much as i love fire, it pisses me off when some idiot is usin a practice staff or poi and says they are doing "fire twirling". one of my firends actually went up to a person at her school and commented on their poi and they didn't know what she was talking about! at the moment in my town there are a whole flock of n00bs that only seem to spin cause they see people like us with fire and think its cool, at least when its not fire there is a commitment to improving your skills rather than just getting people to look at you.

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ImmortalAngel
SILVER Member since Jan 2004

Scientist!
Location: Waterloo, Ontario, Canada

Total posts: 578
Posted:I agree with Majestik -.-
Most people I know who are dedicated to spinning spin at least 100:1 hours of non fire:fire or some equally one sided ratio.
the amount I spend spinning my socks around or the fuzzy poi or flags around, practicing moves, combos, and just dancing, is the real joy for me. Sure lighting up and getting some compliments on the pretty fire is always fun, but alot of the time, it's just to grab people into it and get them interested. Hopefully they will see the other side of spinning as well.


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Fathom
SILVER Member since Jan 2005

Fathom

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Posted:ive still never had the chance to spin fire since i started a few years back and although i would like to try, i love spinning with my streamers and i think high intensity glow sticks make a better impact than fire anyways.

Kangaroo Island eh? I hear that place is really hopping!

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ado-p
GOLD Member since May 2004

ado-p

Pirate Ninja
Location: Galway/Ireland

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Posted:Yeah glowstick is way better than fire poi smile

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Gandy
BRONZE Member since Feb 2005

Gandy

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Location: London

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Posted:My early experience was with fire. My friend let me play within the first week of even seeing poi (now, safety note: she did make sure that I could do the basic moves and made me promise to not do anything other than the stuff that I could do cleanly!). But there is something very atracting with the fire. i dont get to play much, but every now and then have a mad night of it and I look forward to these with anticipation.

I did have a set of aerotechs (hmm, not sure these are as indistructable as I was lead to believe frown )and these are a lot of fun and clubbing and dancing it is much better with a few sticks, looks cool. but still, it is a treat to play with the flames devil


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JauntyJames
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JauntyJames

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Posted:i've breifed most of my friends on teh wonders of poi. the thing that really pisses me off, however, is when they refer to fire poi as "real" poi. i just want to rip thier heads from their shoulders and kick it into a rabit hole, and i inform them of this.

you can't have fake poi, no matter how homemade and makeshift they are.


-James

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onewheeldave
GOLD Member since Aug 2002

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Posted:Written by: Mr Majestik

as much as i love fire, it pisses me off when some idiot is usin a practice staff or poi and says they are doing "fire twirling".



Written by: ImmortalAngel

I agree with Majestik -.-
Most people I know who are dedicated to spinning spin at least 100:1 hours of non fire:fire or some equally one sided ratio.
the amount I spend spinning my socks around or the fuzzy poi or flags around, practicing moves, combos, and just dancing, is the real joy for me.



Written by: sparkey!

i've breifed most of my friends on teh wonders of poi. the thing that really pisses me off, however, is when they refer to fire poi as "real" poi. ...........

you can't have fake poi, no matter how homemade and makeshift they are.



I agree fully; IMO there's always been too much of the 'knee-jerk' poi=fire attitude.

Good to see that people are starting to see there's a lot more to it.


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But you can make the Bastard work for it."

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