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I understand they are not sharpened, but they still have a false edge don't they? I reckon while spinning really fast and falling from a few feet in the air, that false edge is perfectly capable of causeing serious injury.
I understand they are not sharpened, but they still have a false edge don't they? I reckon while spinning really fast and falling from a few feet in the air, that false edge is perfectly capable of causeing serious injury.
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They're pretty standard kit in the juggling world.
Obviously they're metal and they've got pointy bits; but they're only dangerous in the sense that stilts, fire spinning, acrobalance etc. are (ie, in you don't take care you could get hurt).
Certainly much, much safer than fire breathing or juggling chainsaws/real matchetes etc.
Nevertheless, I guess a warning wouldn't hurt; I believe that beamers used to have a warning and I'd say the potential for harm from beamers and juggling knives is about the same.
They're pretty standard kit in the juggling world.
Obviously they're metal and they've got pointy bits; but they're only dangerous in the sense that stilts, fire spinning, acrobalance etc. are (ie, in you don't take care you could get hurt).
Certainly much, much safer than fire breathing or juggling chainsaws/real matchetes etc.
Nevertheless, I guess a warning wouldn't hurt; I believe that beamers used to have a warning and I'd say the potential for harm from beamers and juggling knives is about the same.
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A warning on the beamers?
i was contemplating buying some beamers but all this stuff i hear about them is really scaring me off.... are they really that bad?
A warning on the beamers?
i was contemplating buying some beamers but all this stuff i hear about them is really scaring me off.... are they really that bad?
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beamers are the devil.... but so fun to play with cause if you get sconed you certianly know about it... makes you well more aware of your planes
beamers are the devil.... but so fun to play with cause if you get sconed you certianly know about it... makes you well more aware of your planes
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I've got a set of beamers and had no problems whatsoever with them. Probably because my natural spinning style is very slow and controlled anyway, and, when spinning something really hard and heavy like beamers, I emphasise the slowness and control.
However, I've known others, including some spinners who are very skilled, really mash themselves up with them (eg broken nose, damaged teeth etc).
Everyone, however good, makes mistakes, and, if they spin really fast, then a mistake with beamers will hurt.
Here's what HOP say about them-
But, in my experience, if you respect them and don't spin them fast, you'll be fine.
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I think it's worth remembering also that beamers have been around a while, but, at the time they came out they were pretty amazing for LED poi.
Alternatives were either very expensive, or broke easily.
Beamers were cheap, and very solid- to this day they're still probably the toughest LED poi going (only issue I'm aware of is the contacts problem which is easily resolved with a bit of tin foil).
Not that any of that makes them safer, but I just wanted to mention some of the positives about them.
EDITED_BY: onewheeldave (1108638775)
I've got a set of beamers and had no problems whatsoever with them. Probably because my natural spinning style is very slow and controlled anyway, and, when spinning something really hard and heavy like beamers, I emphasise the slowness and control.
However, I've known others, including some spinners who are very skilled, really mash themselves up with them (eg broken nose, damaged teeth etc).
Everyone, however good, makes mistakes, and, if they spin really fast, then a mistake with beamers will hurt.
Here's what HOP say about them-
Written by: HOP shop
A super bright lighted poi ball with detachable kinkless ball chain cords Experienced gutsy users only
These really hurt if they hit you.
But, in my experience, if you respect them and don't spin them fast, you'll be fine.
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I think it's worth remembering also that beamers have been around a while, but, at the time they came out they were pretty amazing for LED poi.
Alternatives were either very expensive, or broke easily.
Beamers were cheap, and very solid- to this day they're still probably the toughest LED poi going (only issue I'm aware of is the contacts problem which is easily resolved with a bit of tin foil).
Not that any of that makes them safer, but I just wanted to mention some of the positives about them.
EDITED_BY: onewheeldave (1108638775)
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Posted:
I didn't beleive the beamer hype, until I used some and just gently knocked my knee (with far less force I'd normally do a recoil wrap). It hurt. For ages.
I didn't beleive the beamer hype, until I used some and just gently knocked my knee (with far less force I'd normally do a recoil wrap). It hurt. For ages.
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Beamers are basically hard, heavy, spheres- obviously if you clip a knee, bash your head, or twang a nad, you'll be in pain
If you spin them exactly the same as you'd spin soft sock poi, and you spin them fast; then you'll get hurt.
If you take account of the fact that they're hard, heavy spheres, and use the appropriate spinning style- you'll be fine.
That means spinning slow, with a lot of focus and control. That, in turn, means learning to spin slow and controlled using something soft first.
I think the HOP shop pretty much covers it with the warning- they are only suitable for the experienced.
But I think that beamers are a part of the western poi tradition that's been unfolding over the past few years; with so much short term equipment having been sold (stuff that breaks with one impact or that just dies after a year), I think it's great that Malcolm produced such a substantial and hard wearing bit of kit (and a a really good price).
Beamers are basically hard, heavy, spheres- obviously if you clip a knee, bash your head, or twang a nad, you'll be in pain
If you spin them exactly the same as you'd spin soft sock poi, and you spin them fast; then you'll get hurt.
If you take account of the fact that they're hard, heavy spheres, and use the appropriate spinning style- you'll be fine.
That means spinning slow, with a lot of focus and control. That, in turn, means learning to spin slow and controlled using something soft first.
I think the HOP shop pretty much covers it with the warning- they are only suitable for the experienced.
But I think that beamers are a part of the western poi tradition that's been unfolding over the past few years; with so much short term equipment having been sold (stuff that breaks with one impact or that just dies after a year), I think it's great that Malcolm produced such a substantial and hard wearing bit of kit (and a a really good price).
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Posted:
I'm just thinking beamers vs. gonad...
and I'm wishing I hadn't thought that.
I'm just thinking beamers vs. gonad...
and I'm wishing I hadn't thought that.
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Posted:
There's no comparison mike.
Admittedly the light weight of a gonad means it'll hurt less than a beamer, but that same lack of weight makes them IMO, totally unsuitable for spinning with.
There's also availability issues.
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I'm just thinking beamers vs. gonad...
There's no comparison mike.
Admittedly the light weight of a gonad means it'll hurt less than a beamer, but that same lack of weight makes them IMO, totally unsuitable for spinning with.
There's also availability issues.
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Valura, I don't appreciate you discussing beambers in this thread. The topic is juggling knives. Please if you wish to post about beamers create your own thread.
Valura, I don't appreciate you discussing beambers in this thread. The topic is juggling knives. Please if you wish to post about beamers create your own thread.
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i think that valura has a valid point and you should shut the hell up snork... your complete lack of respect is annoying me, every one is entitled to an opinion in any thread and this is mine! dedicated to you.
i think that valura has a valid point and you should shut the hell up snork... your complete lack of respect is annoying me, every one is entitled to an opinion in any thread and this is mine! dedicated to you.
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.:claps for pk:. please try to be more fluffy, snork. there is a
graemlin for just that and its a lot friendlier than your aproach, but this forum tends to stray from the topic and thats just parto fo life.
.:claps for pk:. please try to be more fluffy, snork. there is a
graemlin for just that and its a lot friendlier than your aproach, but this forum tends to stray from the topic and thats just parto fo life. -James
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Posted:
oh seriously "snork" stop being silly and aggressive.
oh seriously "snork" stop being silly and aggressive.
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ok "valura"
ok "valura"
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Snork you make a good point about the off topic thing but how about you ask nicely first....
As for the knife thing, last time i checked theres big bold font underneath them syaing "experienced jugglers only". i realise that a bit more could be said about them concerning the danger bit, but.......they are knifes, blunt ones, but knifes none the less, the picture of them kinda says by it's self "I HURT THINGS!!:)"
but yeah, there should be some extra warning for those who cant see that.
Snork you make a good point about the off topic thing but how about you ask nicely first....
As for the knife thing, last time i checked theres big bold font underneath them syaing "experienced jugglers only". i realise that a bit more could be said about them concerning the danger bit, but.......they are knifes, blunt ones, but knifes none the less, the picture of them kinda says by it's self "I HURT THINGS!!:)"
but yeah, there should be some extra warning for those who cant see that.
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what did I do that was so rude? Apparently next time I should use please 3 times instead of one.
what did I do that was so rude? Apparently next time I should use please 3 times instead of one.
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yeah true it wasnt actually that rude, sorry if i peed u off.
but hey lets forget about ours worries and try bring this badboy back on topic
, my last post has my feelings bout the knife thing, whata ya reckon?
yeah true it wasnt actually that rude, sorry if i peed u off.
but hey lets forget about ours worries and try bring this badboy back on topic
, my last post has my feelings bout the knife thing, whata ya reckon? SILVER Member
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Your just using an un-necessary amount of venom in your words.
Look its my fault that this thread turned into beamers after asking if they were really so bad so let me apologise.
Now heres my spiel on the knives.
When it says experianced users only it really says all that it needs to.
A smart juggler will know their skill level and will know that when it says for experianced people only. a person should know wether they are up for the knives or not.
When i was an itty bitty little juggler i juggled anything i could find including razor sharp knives from my kitchen (much to the heart atacks of my parents) i was skilled enough to juggle knives and the blunt knives that are made for jugglers would have been a much more healthy option. Lets face it. you cannot make a product especially so that its idiot proof. thats very much true for juggling and performance equipment also.
All juggling, fire and performance equipment is specialist equipment.
and should be used by specialists.
People know when they are ready to juggle knives......... or kittens
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what did I do that was so rude? Apparently next time I should use please 3 times instead of one.
Your just using an un-necessary amount of venom in your words.
Look its my fault that this thread turned into beamers after asking if they were really so bad so let me apologise.
Now heres my spiel on the knives.
When it says experianced users only it really says all that it needs to.
A smart juggler will know their skill level and will know that when it says for experianced people only. a person should know wether they are up for the knives or not.
When i was an itty bitty little juggler i juggled anything i could find including razor sharp knives from my kitchen (much to the heart atacks of my parents) i was skilled enough to juggle knives and the blunt knives that are made for jugglers would have been a much more healthy option. Lets face it. you cannot make a product especially so that its idiot proof. thats very much true for juggling and performance equipment also.
All juggling, fire and performance equipment is specialist equipment.
and should be used by specialists.
People know when they are ready to juggle knives......... or kittens
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glad snork has been admin'd!.
glad snork has been admin'd!.
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Posted:
first juggled knives in january, very cool although i was wondering if there is any particular trcik to help you keep the blades facing verticle(so they look cooler)?
yeah, i dont think juggling knives need more of a warning than "experienced users only". for one, its not like many people in the public actually get their hands on proper jugling knives and before all the shows i've seen the performer has always cautioned "not to try this at home". and like the Doktor said, any juggler who is worth his salt will know when he/she is ready to juggle knives.
even idiots aren't idiot proof!
first juggled knives in january, very cool although i was wondering if there is any particular trcik to help you keep the blades facing verticle(so they look cooler)?yeah, i dont think juggling knives need more of a warning than "experienced users only". for one, its not like many people in the public actually get their hands on proper jugling knives and before all the shows i've seen the performer has always cautioned "not to try this at home". and like the Doktor said, any juggler who is worth his salt will know when he/she is ready to juggle knives.
even idiots aren't idiot proof!
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