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Wonder Monkey
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Location: Chelmsford, Essex
Member Since: 11th Jan 2005
Total posts: 121
Posted:I just read the below link on the BBC site about how companies are increasingly using peoples handwriting for selection to employment.

What are peoples thoughts?

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I found the bill gates/tony blair mix up hilarious, whilst at the same time being apalled at the fact that 3000 compnies in the UK use teh technique! eek mad


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Location: Southampton
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Posted:I think it's pretty shocking. I don't believe your handwriting neccessarily says that much about you, besides the length of your fingers and the way you were/weren't taught to write.

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Prometheus
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Posted:My thought is thank god I submit typed resume's and cover letters

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Posted:I think that companies who hire people based on graphology will get exactly what they deserve. smile

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Medusa
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Posted:You can always become a GP...every GP I have met can't write very well...ubblol

No offence meant to any GPs.


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Wonder Monkey
Wonder Monkey

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Location: Chelmsford, Essex
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Posted:Written by: ...Lightning...

I think that companies who hire people based on graphology will get exactly what they deserve. smile



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Tao Star
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Location: Bristol
Member Since: 30th May 2003
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Posted:people use anything to narrow it down when they've got a huge load of CV's. we were talking about this with a stage manager at college recently and he said he's chucked CV's straight in the bin because of anything - spelling mistake, bad handwriting, more than one page, has photos on, anything really. you can't read them all...

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DoktorSkell
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Posted:
Me thinks that this is bordering on descrimination. A person cannot gain good calligraphy skills by choice. Your handwriting is just something you cannot choose.

I manage a media training company, and my handwriting is terrible.
But its ok, because computers and telephone is all of our communication and business dealings.

Perhaps this is yet another attempt to cut down the number of people seen as the "suitable" employee.

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Heres my advice to all employers.
1: Looks dont determine character
2: education level doesnt either
3: interview as many people as possible
4: Get someone that allready works for you to sit in with you on interviews when hiring new staff. This person MUST be an excellent judge of character (if YOU are an excellent judge of character, dont bother)
5: A person with common sense but no experiance is better than a person with experiance but no common sense. You can teach someone with common sense. However you cannot teach common sense
6: a good employee is happy and cheerfull. it will be a pleasure to work with someone who is smiling
7: treat your employees well and they will remain loyal to you

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gita
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Posted:avoid hiring unlucky people - throw out half the resumes!

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TheBovrilMonkey
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Posted:Written by: DoktorSkell

Me thinks that this is bordering on descrimination. A person cannot gain good calligraphy skills by choice. Your handwriting is just something you cannot choose.




You can indeed gain good calligraphy skills by choice - it's a learned skill and needs practise, just like anything else involving fine motor control.
If there was no way of changing it, why would they bother teaching it in schools - surely it'd make more sense just to give the children a pencil each and let the Fate of Handwriting take over?


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ImmortalAngel
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Posted:Written by: TheBovrilMonkey

Written by: DoktorSkell

Me thinks that this is bordering on descrimination. A person cannot gain good calligraphy skills by choice. Your handwriting is just something you cannot choose.




You can indeed gain good calligraphy skills by choice - it's a learned skill and needs practise, just like anything else involving fine motor control.
If there was no way of changing it, why would they bother teaching it in schools - surely it'd make more sense just to give the children a pencil each and let the Fate of Handwriting take over?



It can be Improved with practice, not mastered. My hands are very shaky when I write and I have horrible penmanship. I could barely even sign my own name untill I was 12 or so (barely can now, so I just scribble something fast and it kinda bears resemblence).
I have a number of problems with my hands and wrists that make it very hard for me to do very fine motor activities. They've been passed down through the family, my brothers and my father as well as my self all have horrible penmanship, which means having good penmanship is out of the picture for me now. I am alot better at bashing keys with fingers than I am with softly moving a piece of graphite around anyday! Keys are bigger and have no chance to mess up the letter you type ^.^'


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Adrillf
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Posted:I've seen this used as an excuse of sorts not to hire certain people. They can find nothing else wrong with the canidate, but the employer wants to look like they're being fair, so after a writing sample, the employer makes the decision that was made in his/her mind sense the beggining of the interveiwing process.
I'd have to agree with other people, handwriting tells you nothing about the person. I know people that are idiots and yet have very nice handwriting, but there are others who are quite intelligent, but have handwriting that almost looks like a different language or alphabet was used.
In my mind, hand writing analysis are simply a way for an employer to make their own choice off of personal emotions instead of hiring the person that is best suited for the job.


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Member Since: 10th Feb 2005
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Posted:Written by: TheBovrilMonkey

Written by: DoktorSkell

Me thinks that this is bordering on descrimination. A person cannot gain good calligraphy skills by choice. Your handwriting is just something you cannot choose.




You can indeed gain good calligraphy skills by choice - it's a learned skill and needs practise, just like anything else involving fine motor control.
If there was no way of changing it, why would they bother teaching it in schools - surely it'd make more sense just to give the children a pencil each and let the Fate of Handwriting take over?



Perhaps some people can. I cannot. I spent a huge chunk of my life sitting in special education practicing my hand writeing. It never improved, and the geniuses at my school thought it was more important for me to have nice hand writeing then attend math and english classes. So I was pulled out of math and english for most of elementary, I had occasional education in the subjects in "special ed" but not nearly enough. Then in juniour high they plunged me back into it.

Personally, If the job requires neat and efficient hand writeing skills, then I would expect them to discriminate. But a job with only occasional hand writeing, with the bulk done on computers and whatnot, Should not judge me by my hand writeing. Also in general in the modern workplace, im not sure why their is any need for hand writeing other then scratching down notes. I can type 120 WPM, most people can type 30-60 with experience. 30-60 is certainly faster then one could ever write.


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Bretch
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Location: Cork, Ireland at present
Member Since: 19th Nov 2004
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Posted:I don't know if things can be figured out about people by their handwriting, but I don't think it has anything to do with the 'neatness' but to do with the style, I remember seeing a program and they say things like a big loop at the bottom af a g means this and exagerated crossings of t means this.... so you shouldn't have to worry about messy handwriting... or I'm in big trouble......

I used to be indecisive, but I'm not so sure now.....

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Flame
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Posted:LOL i used to be a medical receptionist and i never felt bad about my handwriting again, after I discovered this and constantly having to ask them what they'd written. Am greatful for computers in this respect.

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Posted:Written by: Medusa

You can always become a GP...every GP I have met can't write very well...ubblol

No offence meant to any GPs.




this and my last post meant to go together, oops.


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Birgit
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Posted:Big g-loops apparently stand for a big sex-drive. So that might actually be a useful thing to know about employees wink

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