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when i did (rather tryed to do) over the head butterfly chains gone around my hands, and somehow tied, I'v burnd myself, but not to bad, so I trydd again, and again it didnt work. What do you do when you burn yorself? and why over the head butterfly sometimes works perfect and sometimes dosent work at any. and do you do that in gloves or wihout?
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when i did (rather tryed to do) over the head butterfly chains gone around my hands, and somehow tied, I'v burnd myself, but not to bad, so I trydd again, and again it didnt work. What do you do when you burn yorself? and why over the head butterfly sometimes works perfect and sometimes dosent work at any. and do you do that in gloves or wihout?
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Posted:
i find that spinning with gloves doesn't help your spinning as it restricts how much you can feel of the chain or rope, but when you do it it's mostly timing, plus i'd reccomend spinning without your poi on fire first, then you can get your tricks down to almost perfection and then use fire. i once tried doing a trick with fire without practicing and burnt what i had of nose hair away, and that doesnt smell too nice
i find that spinning with gloves doesn't help your spinning as it restricts how much you can feel of the chain or rope, but when you do it it's mostly timing, plus i'd reccomend spinning without your poi on fire first, then you can get your tricks down to almost perfection and then use fire. i once tried doing a trick with fire without practicing and burnt what i had of nose hair away, and that doesnt smell too nice
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Posted:
i 2nd all havokist said, and offer the advice that you put posts like this in the "poi moves" section, this section is just for random stuff that people feel like chatting about. you'll get better comments if you post in the right forum
i 2nd all havokist said, and offer the advice that you put posts like this in the "poi moves" section, this section is just for random stuff that people feel like chatting about. you'll get better comments if you post in the right forum
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Posted:
yes you heve right:] sry
yes you heve right:] sry
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Posted:
The moral of the story: Don't do moves that often (or more than one in a hundred) screw up for you with fire!
The wrap I think you're describing can be done on purpose as a recoil wrap, it's most likely you're doing it be mistake because your planes are way off (it's hard with overhead butterfly to get it as tight as normal) and your wrists arn't locked together.
But seriously, you should research what to do with burns before you light up, and I can highly recomend that anyone learning poi learns wraps whether they intend to use them or not, cause knowing how to get out of them when done by mistake can save you much injury
The moral of the story: Don't do moves that often (or more than one in a hundred) screw up for you with fire!
The wrap I think you're describing can be done on purpose as a recoil wrap, it's most likely you're doing it be mistake because your planes are way off (it's hard with overhead butterfly to get it as tight as normal) and your wrists arn't locked together.
But seriously, you should research what to do with burns before you light up, and I can highly recomend that anyone learning poi learns wraps whether they intend to use them or not, cause knowing how to get out of them when done by mistake can save you much injury
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Posted:
You may have cool hair but still thats gonna go unless you realise that you def must nail a move before trying it with fire, get some socks if u havent already got some.
The overthe head butterfuly also known as angel wings, i know what your problem is and the trick is to reach right down (when your first leanring it) down your back, imagine your trying to scratch the middle of your back, that will help trust me
You may have cool hair but still thats gonna go unless you realise that you def must nail a move before trying it with fire, get some socks if u havent already got some.
The overthe head butterfuly also known as angel wings, i know what your problem is and the trick is to reach right down (when your first leanring it) down your back, imagine your trying to scratch the middle of your back, that will help trust me
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Posted:
wow. really good advice, man. there's lots of OTH butterfly double wraps that mirror all the regular front ones. there's the handcuff-ish ones that you must be talking about if it's wrists are together and locked. there's also a whole family of forearms crossed versions where the chains wrap over the elbow and the poi recoil forward or backward into your armpit. crap this is giving me all kinds of ideas for making one wrap forward and one reverse, not to mention split time double (same arm) wraps OTH. i'm going back outside to beat myself up more... with practice chains.
-- dut
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The moral of the story: Don't do moves that often (or more than one in a hundred) screw up for you with fire!
The wrap I think you're describing can be done on purpose as a recoil wrap, it's most likely you're doing it be mistake because your planes are way off (it's hard with overhead butterfly to get it as tight as normal) and your wrists arn't locked together.
But seriously, you should research what to do with burns before you light up, and I can highly recomend that anyone learning poi learns wraps whether they intend to use them or not, cause knowing how to get out of them when done by mistake can save you much injury
wow. really good advice, man. there's lots of OTH butterfly double wraps that mirror all the regular front ones. there's the handcuff-ish ones that you must be talking about if it's wrists are together and locked. there's also a whole family of forearms crossed versions where the chains wrap over the elbow and the poi recoil forward or backward into your armpit. crap this is giving me all kinds of ideas for making one wrap forward and one reverse, not to mention split time double (same arm) wraps OTH. i'm going back outside to beat myself up more... with practice chains.
-- dut
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Posted:
I don't think Ewa was as much asking about wraps as simply inquiring about the over the head butterfly, I think the wrap just came in as an uncontrolled byproduct of his attempts.
Ewa,,,you know when you do the butterfly, one hand is usually on top, it's a good idea to practice this move with either your left or right hand on top, the reasons will become apparent as your skills progress.
So lets say you're more comfortable with your right hand on top, The trick is to keep the same relationship between your hands as you take the butterfly overhead. What I mean is...your right hand is on top when you do the butterfly normally, and when you take it over your head your right hand should end up on the bottom, try it a few times with out your poi. just to get a feeling for it.
And whatever you do........don't cross your hands as you go overhead, this probably explains why the chains wrapped around your hands. work on your planes for a moment with one poi, first one hand, then the other, it'll all come together and before you know it you'll be standing there spinning them behind your head until you're bored silly
Cheers
I don't think Ewa was as much asking about wraps as simply inquiring about the over the head butterfly, I think the wrap just came in as an uncontrolled byproduct of his attempts.
Ewa,,,you know when you do the butterfly, one hand is usually on top, it's a good idea to practice this move with either your left or right hand on top, the reasons will become apparent as your skills progress.
So lets say you're more comfortable with your right hand on top, The trick is to keep the same relationship between your hands as you take the butterfly overhead. What I mean is...your right hand is on top when you do the butterfly normally, and when you take it over your head your right hand should end up on the bottom, try it a few times with out your poi. just to get a feeling for it.
And whatever you do........don't cross your hands as you go overhead, this probably explains why the chains wrapped around your hands. work on your planes for a moment with one poi, first one hand, then the other, it'll all come together and before you know it you'll be standing there spinning them behind your head until you're bored silly
Cheers
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Posted:
You may want to try practicing with unlit pois until youve nailed the move
1st degree - 10 mins of cold water (no ice, it damages tissue)
2nd degree -
may need to see doctor
3rd degree - will need to see doctor, may need ambulance + paramedics
But like i said before - nail the move first, then you wont burn yourself
Written by: ewa
when i did (rather tryed to do) over the head butterfly chains gone around my hands, and somehow tied, I'v burnd myself, but not to bad, so I trydd again, and again it didnt work.
You may want to try practicing with unlit pois until youve nailed the move
Written by: ewa
What do you do when you burn yorself?
1st degree - 10 mins of cold water (no ice, it damages tissue)
2nd degree -
may need to see doctor3rd degree -
will need to see doctor, may need ambulance + paramedicsBut like i said before - nail the move first, then you wont burn yourself
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Posted:
Treatment of burns has been covered in the fire saftey section of this site. Maybe you might like to take a little time reading them through for your own well being and health.
THIS is the section on burns.
THIS is the saftey section that if you read and follow its recommendations it might help you not to get so many burns in the first place!
DO NOT GET THIRD DEGREE BURNS WET! Cover them with a sterile dressing and seek immediate medical attention.
Treatment of burns has been covered in the fire saftey section of this site. Maybe you might like to take a little time reading them through for your own well being and health.
THIS is the section on burns.
THIS is the saftey section that if you read and follow its recommendations it might help you not to get so many burns in the first place!
DO NOT GET THIRD DEGREE BURNS WET! Cover them with a sterile dressing and seek immediate medical attention.
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Posted:
Going back to the over-the-head Butterfly for a moment...
What helped me to do it successfully was my brother saying "it's just like the High Turn, but without turning your body!" (high turn is shown here: https://www.homeofpoi.com/lessons_all/teach/3_8_19 )
Somehow that made me stop thinking too much and just do the movement, and after just a few tries it worked!
And i can also do the Chasing the Sun move, finally
Good luck to all the newbies trying it (like me)!
Going back to the over-the-head Butterfly for a moment...
What helped me to do it successfully was my brother saying "it's just like the High Turn, but without turning your body!" (high turn is shown here: https://www.homeofpoi.com/lessons_all/teach/3_8_19 )
Somehow that made me stop thinking too much and just do the movement, and after just a few tries it worked!
And i can also do the Chasing the Sun move, finally
Good luck to all the newbies trying it (like me)!
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Posted:
only advice i can offer is to practice practice and practice and once you have the move down then and only then do it with fire.
only advice i can offer is to practice practice and practice and once you have the move down then and only then do it with fire.
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Location: Wisconsin, USA
Posted:
i would start unlit till you can get it most of the time
then if you just mean the oth butterfly and not the wrap...
start with one hand and then the other, work on your planes to keep them straightish
or just start with one poi but use both hands so you can work and keeping your hands out of your string's way
i would start unlit till you can get it most of the time
then if you just mean the oth butterfly and not the wrap...
start with one hand and then the other, work on your planes to keep them straightish
or just start with one poi but use both hands so you can work and keeping your hands out of your string's way
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