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ewa


ewa

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Posted:when i did (rather tryed to do) over the head butterfly chains gone around my hands, and somehow tied, I'v burnd myself, but not to bad, so I trydd again, and again it didnt work. What do you do when you burn yorself? and why over the head butterfly sometimes works perfect and sometimes dosent work at any. and do you do that in gloves or wihout?
chers weavesmiley


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Havokist
BRONZE Member since Dec 2004

Havokist


Location: Manchester

Total posts: 2530
Posted:i find that spinning with gloves doesn't help your spinning as it restricts how much you can feel of the chain or rope, but when you do it it's mostly timing, plus i'd reccomend spinning without your poi on fire first, then you can get your tricks down to almost perfection and then use fire. i once tried doing a trick with fire without practicing and burnt what i had of nose hair away, and that doesnt smell too nice tongue

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JauntyJames
SILVER Member since Dec 2004

JauntyJames

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Hampshire College, MA, USA

Total posts: 3533
Posted:i 2nd all havokist said, and offer the advice that you put posts like this in the "poi moves" section, this section is just for random stuff that people feel like chatting about. you'll get better comments if you post in the right forum

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ewa


ewa

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Total posts: 18
Posted:yes you heve right:] sry

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flid
BRONZE Member since Aug 2002

flid

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Warwickshire

Total posts: 3136
Posted:The moral of the story: Don't do moves that often (or more than one in a hundred) screw up for you with fire!



The wrap I think you're describing can be done on purpose as a recoil wrap, it's most likely you're doing it be mistake because your planes are way off (it's hard with overhead butterfly to get it as tight as normal) and your wrists arn't locked together.



But seriously, you should research what to do with burns before you light up, and I can highly recomend that anyone learning poi learns wraps whether they intend to use them or not, cause knowing how to get out of them when done by mistake can save you much injury


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PyroWill
GOLD Member since Aug 2004

PyroWill

HoP's Barman. Trapped aged 6 months
Location: Staines

Total posts: 4437
Posted:You may have cool hair but still thats gonna go unless you realise that you def must nail a move before trying it with fire, get some socks if u havent already got some.

The overthe head butterfuly also known as angel wings, i know what your problem is and the trick is to reach right down (when your first leanring it) down your back, imagine your trying to scratch the middle of your back, that will help trust me smile


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Dut
SILVER Member since Mar 2002

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Location: Nashville, TN

Total posts: 380
Posted:Written by: flid

The moral of the story: Don't do moves that often (or more than one in a hundred) screw up for you with fire!

The wrap I think you're describing can be done on purpose as a recoil wrap, it's most likely you're doing it be mistake because your planes are way off (it's hard with overhead butterfly to get it as tight as normal) and your wrists arn't locked together.

But seriously, you should research what to do with burns before you light up, and I can highly recomend that anyone learning poi learns wraps whether they intend to use them or not, cause knowing how to get out of them when done by mistake can save you much injury



wow. really good advice, man. there's lots of OTH butterfly double wraps that mirror all the regular front ones. there's the handcuff-ish ones that you must be talking about if it's wrists are together and locked. there's also a whole family of forearms crossed versions where the chains wrap over the elbow and the poi recoil forward or backward into your armpit. crap this is giving me all kinds of ideas for making one wrap forward and one reverse, not to mention split time double (same arm) wraps OTH. i'm going back outside to beat myself up more... with practice chains.

-- dut


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Stout
SILVER Member since May 2004

Stout

Pooh-Bah
Location: Canada

Total posts: 1872
Posted:I don't think Ewa was as much asking about wraps as simply inquiring about the over the head butterfly, I think the wrap just came in as an uncontrolled byproduct of his attempts.

Ewa,,,you know when you do the butterfly, one hand is usually on top, it's a good idea to practice this move with either your left or right hand on top, the reasons will become apparent as your skills progress.

So lets say you're more comfortable with your right hand on top, The trick is to keep the same relationship between your hands as you take the butterfly overhead. What I mean is...your right hand is on top when you do the butterfly normally, and when you take it over your head your right hand should end up on the bottom, try it a few times with out your poi. just to get a feeling for it.

And whatever you do........don't cross your hands as you go overhead, this probably explains why the chains wrapped around your hands. work on your planes for a moment with one poi, first one hand, then the other, it'll all come together and before you know it you'll be standing there spinning them behind your head until you're bored silly

Cheers


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Flame Boy
GOLD Member since Jul 2004

Flame Boy

veteran
Location: Out

Total posts: 1508
Posted:Written by: ewa

when i did (rather tryed to do) over the head butterfly chains gone around my hands, and somehow tied, I'v burnd myself, but not to bad, so I trydd again, and again it didnt work.



You may want to try practicing with unlit pois until youve nailed the move wink

Written by: ewa

What do you do when you burn yorself?



1st degree - 10 mins of cold water (no ice, it damages tissue)
2nd degree - ditto may need to see doctor
3rd degree - ditto will need to see doctor, may need ambulance + paramedics

But like i said before - nail the move first, then you wont burn yourself biggrin


AAARRRGGGHHH!!! My giant stick broke!!! In two!!! My stick broke in two!!! ubbcrying

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Skulduggery
GOLD Member since Aug 2004

Skulduggery

Pirate Pixie Crew Captain
Location: Wales

Total posts: 8428
Posted:Treatment of burns has been covered in the fire saftey section of this site. Maybe you might like to take a little time reading them through for your own well being and health.



THIS is the section on burns.



THIS is the saftey section that if you read and follow its recommendations it might help you not to get so many burns in the first place!



DO NOT GET THIRD DEGREE BURNS WET! Cover them with a sterile dressing and seek immediate medical attention.


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Posted:Going back to the over-the-head Butterfly for a moment...

What helped me to do it successfully was my brother saying "it's just like the High Turn, but without turning your body!" (high turn is shown here: http://www.homeofpoi.com/lessons_all/teach/3_8_19 )

Somehow that made me stop thinking too much and just do the movement, and after just a few tries it worked!

And i can also do the Chasing the Sun move, finally smile
Good luck to all the newbies trying it (like me)!


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DarkFyre
BRONZE Member since Nov 2005

DarkFyre

HoP mage and keeper of the fireballs
Location: Palmerston North

Total posts: 1965
Posted:only advice i can offer is to practice practice and practice and once you have the move down then and only then do it with fire.

May my balls of fire set your balls on fire devil

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faith enfire
BRONZE Member since Jan 2006

faith enfire

wandering thru the woods of WI
Location: Wisconsin

Total posts: 3556
Posted:i would start unlit till you can get it most of the time
then if you just mean the oth butterfly and not the wrap...
start with one hand and then the other, work on your planes to keep them straightish
or just start with one poi but use both hands so you can work and keeping your hands out of your string's way


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