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Pyrolific
Returning to a unique state of Equilibrium
Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Member Since: 10th Jan 2001
Total posts: 3288
Posted:hi everyone,



The lovely Arsn gave me a whip recently, and I havent been able to easily put it down (in fact the only thing that did make me stop playing with it was blisters smile). Im looking at buying a larger whip to use in performance (although I'm not nearly at performance level, I am hoping to spend the next 12 months working up to it). The one that Arsn gave me is about 5 foot in length.



Can anyone give me any advice on buying a whip? I dont know much about them, but I dont really want to have to buy several whips as I improve, unless its absolutely necessary.



also - does anyone know of any whip trick resources?



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Resource list.



www.bullwhip.org



Good run down on basic tricks ( 7 kinds of cracks, and a bit of theory) and tips on buying, caring and of course playing with whips. Has good lessons very similar to HOPs.



www.westernstageprops.com



sell heaps of different whips for what seem to be a bit expensive prices, however many of their products seem to be endorsed by leading whip experts. So I guess you get what you pay for?



WSP also sell instructional videos for whip cracking and tricks.



www.firewhip.com



Fire by Riz, sells a bunch of different fire whips, ranging in size from 3 foot to 8 foot, and seem to be professionally constructed and designed. prices seem good to me, and apparently custom sizes of whips are available. Of interest as well, they sell UV reactive whips in a range of sizes. All of Riz's designs seem to be based on the american bullwhip design.



Anthony De Longis



AS pointed out by Arashi, this guy Anthony De Longis has expertise in this area and has made a few instructional videos that look good. The ones that I think I'll buy are on this page; Mastering the Bullwhip 1 and 2 I'll post a review once I have them.



Josh

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Puk
Puk

Sweet talented nutter
Location: Brisbane Oz
Member Since: 3rd Aug 2002
Total posts: 2615
Posted:Im wondering do you know anybodie that would know anything about whips wink.

Im on to it biggrin


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ammre
ammre

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Location: New Jersey
Member Since: 14th Sep 2004
Total posts: 37
Posted:I've got an 8ft 12 plait kangaroo bullwhip handmade fomr australia... it's lovely...
Kangaroo is the better leather for whips...
the higher the plait the better the quality...
length is up to you...
On the end is the... [censored], i cna't remember the name of the pice... it's a leather lice that's woven intot he end of the whip, that is then attached to a cracker... people use a multitude of things for their crackers... i'm fond of masons' twine (bright colored nylon twine used for measuring out straight lines and marking off things) you can find it at home depot for cheep, so if you loose a cracker or break it, you can easially and cheeply make a new one.
you don't want to be snapping it too hard... if you're doing performance, you want to work on accuracy and a slight snap... enough to whoo the audience, but the larger and more booming a crack is, the more stress you place on your whip. If you continuiously do large cracks than you can't expect your whip to have a good long life...
My friend who does performance bullwhip suggests Saddle soap cleaner and dubbin conditioner for maintence. He also says there's a video out there called "whip cracking made easy" that is good.
Try not to get your whip wet, that can ruin the leather, if you do, let it dry in room teampature, don't make it too hot or that too can ruin the leather... store away form heat and extreme cold. Don't use on pavement... you want to use on a smooth surface, or a crassy surface, pavement can work like sandpaper.
I can do up to 5 different cracks with it so far, i haven't really invested much in learning yet as to the fact that i have no space to practice (go away snow!)

happy cracking...


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arashi
arashi

Pooh-Bah
Location: austin,tx
Member Since: 21st Mar 2002
Total posts: 2363
Posted:this is my true area of expertise, so any questions just ask.

i buy my whips from western stage props cuz if i ever break one i can get another exactly like it hassle free. but lately i've been working with their nylon whips by chris king. they are fast and hurt so i usu. recommend playing with 10' latigos for a year or so first. 5' is too short for cool target work and meditation IMHO. i've never ever bought a kangaroo but i've played with them and they are nice if you're rich. i do target work though so i don't bother, i go though lots of whips!

for leather latigos i was using "keystone" whips, they're pretty cheap and handle nicely. some have a mexican swivel which is nice _if it's not too loose_ so if you want one with a swivel, ask for a tight swivel. swivels are for stockwhip style multiple cracks.

a good resource is videos by Anthony de longis. he's a tai chi martial artist/swordfighter and his approach i think is very good for spinners and i think you'd get off on it.

anthony

echo the pavement warning. get a rug or heavy canvas tarp to practice on.

fly to austin and i'll teach you some cooooooool tricks wink


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ammre
ammre

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Location: New Jersey
Member Since: 14th Sep 2004
Total posts: 37
Posted:heeeeehh
i'm not rich, i just have the hookup.


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arashi
arashi

Pooh-Bah
Location: austin,tx
Member Since: 21st Mar 2002
Total posts: 2363
Posted:welllll fine, rub it in... spank tongue
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i've been whipping 10 years and i've never gotten to play with a _big_ kangaroo tongue
ubbidea


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Nucleopoi
Nucleopoi

chemical attraction
Location: Ilkeston, Derbyshire, England
Member Since: 6th Nov 2004
Total posts: 1097
Posted:your giving my boyfriend ideas now....

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arashi
arashi

Pooh-Bah
Location: austin,tx
Member Since: 21st Mar 2002
Total posts: 2363
Posted:your boyfriend wants to play with long kangaroos? eek

-Such a price the gods exact for song: to become what we sing
-Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty.
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JauntyJames
JauntyJames

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Hampshire College, MA, USA
Member Since: 22nd Dec 2004
Total posts: 3533
Posted:who doesn't?

-James

"How do you know if you're happy or sad without a mask? Or angry? Or ready for dessert?"

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Pyrolific
Returning to a unique state of Equilibrium
Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Member Since: 10th Jan 2001
Total posts: 3288
Posted:I do!

found out tonight that I should be able to get a discount on an RM Williams Kangaroo leather whip, 16 plait I think? what length do you guys think I should get?

Was getting into the rythmic cracking today for the first time. I didnt realise it was possible to crack a whip in a rythmical fashion smile

Thanks guys for the responses!

Josh


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Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia
Member Since: 25th Jan 2001
Total posts: 2758
Posted:Josh - can't help you with the whip stuff, but I've got a gorgeous pink cowboy hat that would look just fab on you.

Never forget, when playing with fire: accessorize!

*lapses out of valley girl mode*


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Pyrolific
Returning to a unique state of Equilibrium
Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Member Since: 10th Jan 2001
Total posts: 3288
Posted:lol youre mad smile Black leather jeans will be my costume I reckon, hmm perhaps a fluro pink hat would suit? lol when we tour to sydney I'll wear your hat in the show, should put an unusual tinge on the inuendo wink



Josh


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Puk
Puk

Sweet talented nutter
Location: Brisbane Oz
Member Since: 3rd Aug 2002
Total posts: 2615
Posted:I haven't been able to contact Riz somethings wrong with email. I was just wondering if he made his advance tape?.

that shrewd and knavish sprite

Called Robin Good Fellow ; are you not he that is frighten of the maidens of the villagery - fairy

I am the merry wander of the night -puk

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arashi
arashi

Pooh-Bah
Location: austin,tx
Member Since: 21st Mar 2002
Total posts: 2363
Posted:* snaps his fingers annoyingly near Riz's face *
yO! riz! stop staring at the belly dancers and answer your email!


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-Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty.
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Stone
Stream Entrant
Location: Melbourne
Member Since: 13th Jun 2001
Total posts: 2830
Posted:
sticks and stones may break my bones but whips and fire chains excite me

A few years back the juggler at juggleart (forget his name) got into whips and did the local show circuit competing in the whip competitions in country Victoria. Not sure how he went, I think he was treated as a bit of an outsider.

Swapped a few fire tricks for some whip tips with this family of whip crackers from the country Victoria a few years ago. They have a great routine. The father brings out the old bullock whip (`~ 60 feet long or about 20 m) for a demo and does the prattle. The daughter does a lot of two whip tricks, including the Sydney slide; which I think is a 2-beat weave. And the son, well he does everything while riding a uni cycle. Good stuff. I should have brought a whip of them for AUD $75. The whips come from Qld and are good for show work. Now, that this has come up I might give them a call and see if they have any for sale.

There is guy (Chris Moran?) in Melb who does double fire whips really well. He does a move called the Brisbane (hunch) back or something. Anyhow, he is cracking both fire whips over his head and back wile hunched over. Very spectacular. And he is always having trouble with his crackers.

Anyone know the Australian names of some of the traditional whip cracking moves?

cheers



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Puk
Puk

Sweet talented nutter
Location: Brisbane Oz
Member Since: 3rd Aug 2002
Total posts: 2615
Posted:Im working on a move where you crack the whip behind your head snap it out to the side crack it there . Then to the front with two whips.

Remember when your trying to crack it

You must whip it (devo there sorry bad joke)


that shrewd and knavish sprite

Called Robin Good Fellow ; are you not he that is frighten of the maidens of the villagery - fairy

I am the merry wander of the night -puk

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Puk
Puk

Sweet talented nutter
Location: Brisbane Oz
Member Since: 3rd Aug 2002
Total posts: 2615
Posted:Bump for fireNix

that shrewd and knavish sprite

Called Robin Good Fellow ; are you not he that is frighten of the maidens of the villagery - fairy

I am the merry wander of the night -puk

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FireNix
FireNix

old hand
Location: India/Bristol
Member Since: 4th Apr 2001
Total posts: 904
Posted:Thanks Puk - I do hope youre gonna be there with your whiops at MoonFest - wanna learn, LEArn, LEARN!!!
Do you have a Fire Whip too? - Any ideas of where to buy one possibly in OZ, and BullWhips too!!!
Im developing a Whip Fetish, which my girlfriend loves (when I find one!!:) )
Seeyaz


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newgabe
newgabe

what goes around comes around. unless you're into stalls.
Location: Bali
Member Since: 3rd Mar 2005
Total posts: 4030
Posted:You mean to tell me a man with a whip fetish is coming to stay with me !!!
YAY, bring it on!!!

Unfortunately we just sent FlameOz Grace's whip back to her... it was light but effective.... kangaroo I believe.
and yes, I'll preempt Puk's reply.. he does have at least 2 firewhips and was furthermore using both of them last Moonfest ubblove. .. on stilts!!


.....Can't juggle balls but I sure as hell can juggle details....

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Puk
Puk

Sweet talented nutter
Location: Brisbane Oz
Member Since: 3rd Aug 2002
Total posts: 2615
Posted:I've two cat of nine tails as well but um thats a nother story .

that shrewd and knavish sprite

Called Robin Good Fellow ; are you not he that is frighten of the maidens of the villagery - fairy

I am the merry wander of the night -puk

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Jelena
Jelena

In love with firelight

Member Since: 20th Nov 2006
Total posts: 9
Posted:Hey,

I was wondering if anyone has any tips on how you make crackers for a fire whip? What kind of Kevlar do I need, and what do I do with it?
All the bits of cracker I had got lost or destroyed in various ways, and my whip has now gone all silent, it's very sad frown (nowhere near as much fun to play with...)
Any help would be appreciated!

Jelena


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Mr Majestik
Mr Majestik

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Location: home of the tiney toothy bear
Member Since: 9th Mar 2004
Total posts: 4693
Posted:buy kevlar string, flay the end out and tie a knot in it about 3 inches down to stop it flaying more. tie on to end of whip.

bang smile


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