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majik
enthusiast
Location: Byron Bay Australia
Member Since: 22nd Nov 2002
Total posts: 231
Posted:I love my hoops as much as I love poi and staff and I noticed there was a few other hooping hoppers out there. So I thought HOP needed a hooping thread for us to chat about tricks and share our love for hoops. ubblove
I have been hooping for quite awhile now and have mastered quite a few tricks but I still havn't figured how to flick it up off the ground and move it up my legs. I can get it from my knees up but I saw this chic at the a circus and she had the hoops all on the ground and was bringing them up her legs one by one. It looked awesome.
I've got an idea of what I gotta do but havn't quite got it. I was wondering if anyone could give me any tips on this?
Thanks
ubblovemajik
Happy Hooping! ubbrollsmile


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NYC
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NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Member Since: 26th Aug 2001
Total posts: 9232
Posted:I think it's just as unimportant.

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simian
simian

110% MONKEY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME JUST CANT STOP THE MONKEY
Location: London
Member Since: 11th Oct 2002
Total posts: 3149
Posted:i'd say the majority of poi is done in vertical planes, whereas hoop is mainly horizontal

turning 180 with vertical planes means you're spinning (subjectively) in the other direction

whereas turning 180 with horizontal planes, you're still spinning the same direction.

so learning both ways is less important to hoop than poi.

unless you want to do vertical hoop with 180 turns.

or to do handstands.


"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."

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Dr_Molly
Dr_Molly

Pooh-Bah
Location: Away from home
Member Since: 4th May 2004
Total posts: 2354
Posted:Unless you want to pass the hoop from one person to another, in which case you either need to sneak up behind them to get it going in the same direction or learn stuff backwards smile

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NYC
NYC

NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Member Since: 26th Aug 2001
Total posts: 9232
Posted:Written by: simian

i'd say the majority of poi is done in vertical planes, whereas hoop is mainly horizontal

turning 180 with vertical planes means you're spinning (subjectively) in the other direction

whereas turning 180 with horizontal planes, you're still spinning the same direction.

so learning both ways is less important to hoop than poi.

unless you want to do vertical hoop with 180 turns.

or to do handstands.



It's really apples and oranges.

With hooping you're spinning in horizontal planes while turning horizontally. (Even though I'm all about vertical now.)

With poi you're spinning in vertical planes while turning horizontally.

There really is no direct translation in poi to 'hooping in the wrong direction'. In some moves (like corkscrew or windmill) it SORT OF makes sense but in moves like weaves and butterflies there is no 'wrong direction' in the same sense as hooping.

Hooping in the wrong direction has mirror symmetry whereas a poi butterfly is not a mirror image of reverse butterfly.

You could go your entire life not knowing how to corkscrew in the 'wrong' direction and nobody'd know the difference. I think the same is true for hooping. Though, in hooping you do often see people switching direction which is obvious to an external observer.

The fact that there are two things in poi and normally one in hooping further complicates the situation. If you were working with two hoops in different directions (which gives me a headache) you'd obviously have to know 'both ways' whereas there is no paralell for 4 poi (which also hurts my head.)

In my humble opinion:

Learning a corkscrew or windmill in both directions is not very important if you want to be a beginner or intermediate poi spinner. I never spin a corkscrew in the wrong direction and it doesn't hurt my poi.

Learning horizontal hoop moves in the wrong direction is not very important if you want to be a beginner or intermediate hooper.

Learning vertical moves like weaves and butterflies both forward and reverse is obviously very important to even a beginner.

Learning vertical moves outside the body is a completely different move set in hooping. I think it is important to learn it both ways or you'll never be able to turn with it.

Most importantly, most general hoop theory is years behind poi theory right now. Those VERY few hoopers that have reached a high level of technique would be just as attached to 'learning everything both ways' as the MANY communities of poi spinners that have reached an advanced level.

If there was a 'Simian' of the hoop world, he'd tell you to learn it both ways. wink hug

I can hoop both ways about as ineffectively as I can corkscrew both ways and I find that I notice it more when hooping.

Long story short (too late): You don't need to learn hooping both ways to be happy. Have fun and play and the audience won't be able to tell the difference. If, later, you find yourself lacking because you don't know reverse you can deal with it then.


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Skulduggery
Skulduggery

Pirate Pixie Crew Captain
Location: Wales
Member Since: 12th Aug 2004
Total posts: 8428
Posted:*slaps NYC and Simian* Haven't I already told you that we aren't going to allow hooping to get all techie and stuff! Sheesh BOYS!


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jemima (jem)
jemima (jem)

Pooh-Bah
Location: london
Member Since: 2nd Dec 2002
Total posts: 1750
Posted:My hoop is miles and miles away up up in the north frown

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_khan_

old hand
Location: San Francisco, California, USA
Member Since: 17th Nov 2004
Total posts: 768
Posted:Written by: Skulduggery

*slaps NYC and Simian* Haven't I already told you that we aren't going to allow hooping to get all techie and stuff! Sheesh BOYS! ubblol



ubblol oh Skully, I do sympathize. But, I'm glad for the bit of techie-ness shared above.

I hadn't made the distinction between horizontal & vertical plane and how they impacted one's ability to spin in either direction. It seems so obvious now that it's been said. Thanks tech-boys, your comments helped a bunch!

Off the topic of this post, but on topic of this thread, last night I managed to get the hoop from waist to neck, then up over my head with my hands in prayer position then back down to my neck and back down to my waist! biggrin me proud & happy.


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NYC
NYC

NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Member Since: 26th Aug 2001
Total posts: 9232
Posted:Written by: Skulduggery

*slaps NYC and Simian* Haven't I already told you that we aren't going to allow hooping to get all techie and stuff! Sheesh BOYS!



WE aren't going to ALLOW? Sweetie, you me and and a thousand simians together couldn't lay a finger on where hooping is and isn't going. The technical level is already exploding exponentially.

You can either jump on board or get run over by it.

As for me, I'm haning on to the shoelaces and getting dragged in the dirt as I desperately try to learn hoop theory.

The nice thing about hooping is that it MAKES you dance. So by getting techy you automatically combine the two. ubblove


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BansheeCat
veteran
Location: lost
Member Since: 29th Jul 2005
Total posts: 1247
Posted:good point!

"God *was* my co-pilot, but then we crashed, and I had to eat him..."

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moo..
Location: melbourne, australia
Member Since: 19th Oct 2004
Total posts: 1899
Posted:umm I never knew I could be SO confused by all that hoop theory. ubblol

I like hooping both ways at the same time. It confuses me and when they hit it makes a huge bang.


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NYC
NYC

NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Member Since: 26th Aug 2001
Total posts: 9232
Posted:Not sure if she's cute or scary.

The hoop is cool anyway.


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jo_rhymes
jo_rhymes

Momma Bear
Location: Telford, Shrops
Member Since: 10th Apr 2005
Total posts: 4525
Posted:i'd say scary. It's the look on her face, the eyebrows. She's saying "yes, I can hoop, but this is just to distract from the fact I am going to kill you when the lights are off. muhahaha"
*shudder*


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moo..
Location: melbourne, australia
Member Since: 19th Oct 2004
Total posts: 1899
Posted:oh man I was about to go to bed! now look what you have stuck in my head.. bah. ubblol

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NYC
NYC

NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Member Since: 26th Aug 2001
Total posts: 9232
Posted:Oh, and for those of you that haven't seen this video from Hooping.org

THIS is technical hooping.

Kinda reminds me of an old PK poi video with the trees in the background or something.


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jo_rhymes
jo_rhymes

Momma Bear
Location: Telford, Shrops
Member Since: 10th Apr 2005
Total posts: 4525
Posted:Wow, that video's given me a grrrrrrreat idea!
Dressed up as sexy cowboys and cowgirls we hoop and hoop and make it look like we're lassooing! Yeeeeeharrr! biggrin


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NYC
NYC

NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Member Since: 26th Aug 2001
Total posts: 9232
Posted:Or we could just learn to lasso. That's a badass toy too.

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UCOF
UCOF

Carpal \'Tunnel

Member Since: 17th Apr 2002
Total posts: 15414
Posted:ubblol

Work/ school friendly picture of a man with hoops...
he doesnt know how to use them though..
and he needs new shorts.. rolleyes


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NYC
NYC

NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Member Since: 26th Aug 2001
Total posts: 9232
Posted:Why wouldn't you just post the image?


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Pooh-Bah
Location: Bristol
Member Since: 6th Jan 2005
Total posts: 1785
Posted:
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moo..
Location: melbourne, australia
Member Since: 19th Oct 2004
Total posts: 1899
Posted:aaaw thats cute! the elephant I mean not the fella with bad shorts..although I hope whoever taught him that isn't mean to him..or her.
cuuuuute:D


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Skulduggery
Skulduggery

Pirate Pixie Crew Captain
Location: Wales
Member Since: 12th Aug 2004
Total posts: 8428
Posted:Yesterday I mastered a new move called "spin the hoop below your knees and shatter and spray a drinking glass all the way across your living room." ubblol It made Jon jump!

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NYC
NYC

NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Member Since: 26th Aug 2001
Total posts: 9232
Posted:That's hot.

Can you do it both ways yet?

And more importantly, what was Jon doing in your living room? wink


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Gayle......!
Pooh-Bah
Location: Bristol !!!!!!
Member Since: 9th Jul 2004
Total posts: 2444
Posted:hooping wink

Gayle.....!

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UCOF
UCOF

Carpal \'Tunnel

Member Since: 17th Apr 2002
Total posts: 15414
Posted:NYC: Cos I chose not to this time.. tongue

"what was Jon doing in your living room? "
Watching her butt as she was hooping.. wink


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Gnor
Gnor

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Perth
Member Since: 31st Mar 2003
Total posts: 5814
Posted:I made a collaspible hoop!!
Its collasped and off on the train across Australia


Is it the Truth?
Is it Fair to all concerned?
Will it build Goodwill and Better Friendships?
Will it be Beneficial to all concerned?

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jemima (jem)
jemima (jem)

Pooh-Bah
Location: london
Member Since: 2nd Dec 2002
Total posts: 1750
Posted:
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I found the koolest hooping kitten ubbrollsmile


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Kupsch
Member
Location: glasgow
Member Since: 21st Jun 2004
Total posts: 163
Posted:quality

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Skulduggery
Skulduggery

Pirate Pixie Crew Captain
Location: Wales
Member Since: 12th Aug 2004
Total posts: 8428
Posted: Written by: UraniumChipOxidationFacility



Watching her butt as she was hooping.. wink



spank You weren't supposed to be watching my wobbly bottom! You were meant to be wowed by the glass smashing trick and my great vacuuming technique! ubblol tongue


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UCOF
UCOF

Carpal \'Tunnel

Member Since: 17th Apr 2002
Total posts: 15414
Posted:"great vacuuming technique"

umm ubbangel


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Skulduggery
Skulduggery

Pirate Pixie Crew Captain
Location: Wales
Member Since: 12th Aug 2004
Total posts: 8428
Posted:ubblol

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