majik enthusiast Location: Byron Bay Australia Member Since: 22nd Nov 2002 Total posts: 231
Posted:I love my hoops as much as I love poi and staff and I noticed there was a few other hooping hoppers out there. So I thought HOP needed a hooping thread for us to chat about tricks and share our love for hoops. I have been hooping for quite awhile now and have mastered quite a few tricks but I still havn't figured how to flick it up off the ground and move it up my legs. I can get it from my knees up but I saw this chic at the a circus and she had the hoops all on the ground and was bringing them up her legs one by one. It looked awesome. I've got an idea of what I gotta do but havn't quite got it. I was wondering if anyone could give me any tips on this? Thanks majik Happy Hooping!
NYC Location: NYC, NY, USA Member Since: 26th Aug 2001 Total posts: 9232
Posted:Written by: simian
i'd say the majority of poi is done in vertical planes, whereas hoop is mainly horizontal
turning 180 with vertical planes means you're spinning (subjectively) in the other direction
whereas turning 180 with horizontal planes, you're still spinning the same direction.
so learning both ways is less important to hoop than poi.
unless you want to do vertical hoop with 180 turns.
or to do handstands.
It's really apples and oranges.
With hooping you're spinning in horizontal planes while turning horizontally. (Even though I'm all about vertical now.)
With poi you're spinning in vertical planes while turning horizontally.
There really is no direct translation in poi to 'hooping in the wrong direction'. In some moves (like corkscrew or windmill) it SORT OF makes sense but in moves like weaves and butterflies there is no 'wrong direction' in the same sense as hooping.
Hooping in the wrong direction has mirror symmetry whereas a poi butterfly is not a mirror image of reverse butterfly.
You could go your entire life not knowing how to corkscrew in the 'wrong' direction and nobody'd know the difference. I think the same is true for hooping. Though, in hooping you do often see people switching direction which is obvious to an external observer.
The fact that there are two things in poi and normally one in hooping further complicates the situation. If you were working with two hoops in different directions (which gives me a headache) you'd obviously have to know 'both ways' whereas there is no paralell for 4 poi (which also hurts my head.)
In my humble opinion:
Learning a corkscrew or windmill in both directions is not very important if you want to be a beginner or intermediate poi spinner. I never spin a corkscrew in the wrong direction and it doesn't hurt my poi.
Learning horizontal hoop moves in the wrong direction is not very important if you want to be a beginner or intermediate hooper.
Learning vertical moves like weaves and butterflies both forward and reverse is obviously very important to even a beginner.
Learning vertical moves outside the body is a completely different move set in hooping. I think it is important to learn it both ways or you'll never be able to turn with it.
Most importantly, most general hoop theory is years behind poi theory right now. Those VERY few hoopers that have reached a high level of technique would be just as attached to 'learning everything both ways' as the MANY communities of poi spinners that have reached an advanced level.
If there was a 'Simian' of the hoop world, he'd tell you to learn it both ways.
I can hoop both ways about as ineffectively as I can corkscrew both ways and I find that I notice it more when hooping.
Long story short (too late): You don't need to learn hooping both ways to be happy. Have fun and play and the audience won't be able to tell the difference. If, later, you find yourself lacking because you don't know reverse you can deal with it then.
Well, shall we go? Yes, let's go. [They do not move.]
old hand Location: San Francisco, California, USA Member Since: 17th Nov 2004 Total posts: 768
Posted:Written by: Skulduggery
*slaps NYC and Simian* Haven't I already told you that we aren't going to allow hooping to get all techie and stuff! Sheesh BOYS!
oh Skully, I do sympathize. But, I'm glad for the bit of techie-ness shared above.
I hadn't made the distinction between horizontal & vertical plane and how they impacted one's ability to spin in either direction. It seems so obvious now that it's been said. Thanks tech-boys, your comments helped a bunch!
Off the topic of this post, but on topic of this thread, last night I managed to get the hoop from waist to neck, then up over my head with my hands in prayer position then back down to my neck and back down to my waist! me proud & happy.
taken out of context i must seem so strange ~ ani di franco
Momma Bear Location: Telford, Shrops Member Since: 10th Apr 2005 Total posts: 4525
Posted:i'd say scary. It's the look on her face, the eyebrows. She's saying "yes, I can hoop, but this is just to distract from the fact I am going to kill you when the lights are off. muhahaha" *shudder*
Hoppers are angels who lift us to our feet when our wings have trouble remembering how to fly.