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Posted:before anyone starts moaning and groaning about the fact that this thread exists, let me explain..

i know there is a thread about the weight of staffs, and that ben (i think) mentions something about weight and contact, but i was wondering what ppl think about the ultimate size of the staff for contact.

i have a relatively short (1.30 M) and light (aluminium) and things like elbow, hand hand, elbow is possible, but i can imagine that a longer one is easier..


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Posted:I bite my thumb in your general direction!

Um, if i were to get serious about contact staff I would find a long 3/4" wooden "stick" and sleeve it into some silicon tubing. Then i'd probably drill a hole halfway through some large, cool looking bouncy balls, and glue them on the ends of the staff. Just an idea, never been tested. ubbloco


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Posted:and what about if i want a fire staff...

i guess i can light the tennisballs on fire biggrin

or another option would be attach some kevlar.. that seems to work too.. so ive heard wink

no but seriously folks, you said a long "stick", what do you mean by long?


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Posted:Have a look in the fish tail threads Stickman...



also have a look in robs contact thread



in alot of the staff making/type threads you'll see posts from people that have been spinning a long time.



for myself, i've tried contact with all these staffs



all of these sticks had 2 foot of 4 inch wide wick on each end



1.5m inner core from concentrate. bought



1.5 meter wooden contact staff. bought



1m wooden staff (same type as above). bought



1.5m aluminium staff with 150mm wooden dowel in each end. made



1.5m stick same as above but with dowel all the way through. made



Two 1m ali staffs with 100mm dowel in each end. made



2m metal staff with soft grip from end to end and tennis balls instead of wicks. borrowed from some who made it. i love this stick ubblove



The two 1.5 meter sticks i made myself were both great for contact. Its harder with the lighter staff.



The 2m made contact alot easier for me. Its not a whole lot heavier in the ends like the wicked staffs but the weight and the length make easier to go slower for longer. this made it alot easier to see and feel what was happening. great learning tool but a bit long for me.



Weight and length give you momentum and planes. The less you have of each the more you have to work to get the results.



ben said in the How heavy is your staff thread that if you learn contact with a light stick you can do it with any stick. i reckon this is true.i learned to do an Elbow-hand-hand-Elbow roll with the inner core staff. i can do this with any staff now. this doesnt hold true in reverse for contact moves that im learning with my heavy 1.5m staff. which is my favorite staff (apart from my short doubles which i havent lit yet ubblove )



to paraphrase mcp who was quoting mo-seph (in the dead spinners society thread, i think) 'With a long staff planes come for free'



this is just my own experience. i've gone through every thread in the staff forum. every one of them. there is soooo much info hidden in there, including alot of experienced spinners preferences to do with stick (example, go back a few pages in the edinburgh thread in events. now did you expect to find a big ramble about staffs in there. nope. we were all off topic biggrin )



ultimatley i think you will only find the answers yourself through experimentation. make/buy a few different sticks and see how the learning curve feels.



hope that helps



the very best of luck to you. learning contact is most satisfying and much fun.



merry christmas



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Posted:man, i dont have time to go through each and every thread about staffs.. im a busy man, got places to go (park) people to see (HoPpers) things to do (spin) ubbloco ubbrollsmile

but thanks for the advice.. ive got some contact down like the afformentioned elbow-hand-hand-elbow, and a not-very-long fishtail, but things like over neck and shoulders and back and arms and combinations of all of those are probly easier with a longer one..

next time i have 75 euros at my disposal im gonna go out and buy myself a long heavy staff..

and a happy new year beerchug


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Posted:i manage over the back and such like stuff with a one meter 20 staff, its pretty light as well, but im a short arse, its prob just a me-staff size type thing

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Posted:i have a 5 foot staff and i find this perfect for any contact move i;ve tried so far......it also has a rubber grip on it....one that actually works so its alot easier to learn new contact moves

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Posted:try a staff that is the same hight or just slightly shorter than yourself.
I mean 5 foot is longer for a 4'6" person than for a 7'2" , catch my drift?
and yes, heavy... mainly on the ends. don't buy it, make it. so it really fits your needs.
and talk to me, on the next dutch meet. (15th?). I love making things.


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Posted:Written by: ado-p

(example, go back a few pages in the edinburgh thread in events. now did you expect to find a big ramble about staffs in there. nope. we were all off topic biggrin



indeed a very good chat. shame my designs got out, but they will be in teh market place soon i promise!


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Posted:Listen to Mr Mech, he has some great ideas for staff making......... even more so now he has chatted to me wink

Cant wait to see them m8 biggrin


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Posted:stop blowing smoke up my arse, if you wnat me to make you one, just ask! wink

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Posted:I do Mr Mech!

They sound better and better. I just can't decide what length, or how many. eek hug biggrin


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Posted:Written by: mech

stop blowing smoke up my arse, if you wnat me to make you one, just ask! wink



Me blow smoke up your arse - na biggrin

Besides - i like mine better, as well as my staff wink


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Posted:ubblol

do you wnat those ropes?


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Posted:No me wants some ickle sticks wink wink

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Posted:well lady b, if you wnat some ickle sticks, just pm me, or email me with specs, you would like and lets talk about what you would like!

althought i remeber someone saying the wanted fomr small flag staffs and never takled to me about them wink

(ps the flag staffs can be done with nice long tails and on ickle sticks for you now biggrin )


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Posted:theres the set i made that i left with ewan at spitz for dylan but i dont think hes in a particular rush at all to get em so ur most welcome to em miss bams

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Posted:Ahhhh wowww thanks Ben smile oh this means that I'll make it to spitz next week then smile



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Mech I would love the ickle flag staff smile we'll talk when you're at the NIPP next smile errrrr when is that...off topic...sorry smile

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Posted:i think the wick on one of them is a bit thrashed but the grips on both are fine just tell ewan that dylans rubbish and that i said to take em smile

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Posted:offtopic

i sent hels an email about it, but ill mail you in a min about it ok hug


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Posted:hey my sticks are locked away in a dark cubboard like place in the jungle otherwise known as london cos a certain adelaidian wasnt gangsta enough to go collect ..... it doesnt get much more on topic than that mr mech tongue

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Posted:smile to both you beautiful boys smile

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Posted:i want to make some quick and easy staff,what do you any of you reckon?

wooden broom hadle type stuff with a tennis ball on each end and a tennis rackett grip?

yes or no, or any quick and easy ways to make a pair of starves!


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Posted:i dont know about starves.. i have no experience with them wink

now staves i know.. although im in the process of making my third one only.. id say as long as the wood isnt too heavy so that the effect of the tennisballs is reduced, then it should work..

but ask others as well cuz i have only got experience with metal staves and kevlar.. the whole jazz for fire..


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Posted:Written by: minimaniac
wooden broom hadle type stuff with a tennis ball on each end and a tennis rackett grip?



yes, that will make a kickass contact stick. i suggest nailing the tennis balls on, with nails, so they don't fall off. Alternatively you could use glue. or something else.
tennis raquet grip is good, as is some bike handlebar grip tape, hockey grip, or even just loads of electrical tape.


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Posted:Broom handles are a bit awkward for finger spins other than that there perfect. You can get 20-25mm dowels in hardware stores. Although if you can manage finger spins with broom handles they will be so easy on a thinner staff.

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Posted:FINGER SPINS ROCK....

get some short sticks

do a buzzsaw cross using finger spins. tasty.

broom handles = handy

not so bendy as dowel. my dowel stick warped from over use smile

shower curtain rail = very handy and tennis balls + nails sounds like a great idea (might be bard to get into a curtain rail though wink )


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Posted:ive just used my tennis ball and wood staves and yes your right they kick ass!

ive learnt so much contact because my fire staff i just cant get to work yet! im only new to it so ive got to learn to adapt to different kit.


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