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UCOF
SILVER Member since Apr 2002

UCOF

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Posted:This is not a thread about the relationship (or lack of) between The Jollly Fat man and the Bearded Hippy lookalike.

I think I have a moral objection to the continuing misleading of the Children in todays world.

Why do we make our Children believe so heavily in something that doesnt exist? Gravity is another good example of this.

What I object to is the systematic deception of Children, in the vain hope that they believe that if they dont behave in the year, they will get Cole instead of presents.

I also object to the fact that when children lie to parents, they will get told off, yet when the parents lie to the children, it is seen as acceptable.

Would Children just simply not be able to comprehend the fact that Christmas is based on a dying religion, and its just the fact that people enjoy getting cool stuff for free, that we give out presents nowerdays?

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Bretch


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Posted:I don't know if my folks ever actually lied about santa, I think you can give impressions about things and say things that are not actual lies, but if the kids asks if santa real, then I think it's only responcible to be honest.

I used to be indecisive, but I'm not so sure now.....

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meghann


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Posted:ok, love the link!!
i dont have a problem with letting kids have a magical christmas and letting them belive in santa, but what i HATE and really gets on my nerves is the commercialisation! (spelt wrong i know) i am appauled that people are allowed to complain there is too much religion in christmas...one picture showing the birth of christ was banned as it was offencive to non belivers! WHAT!! hello its a CHRISTIAN festival.
they've done the same with easter, not showing any films of the crucifiction on easter sunday as they are too distressing, well it actualy happened and it was done to save you! in some places, christmas is now refered to as the "winter holiday"!
to be honest id prefer it if people did celebrate the commercial winter holiday with santa and his elves and left christmas alone to people who actualy care about what its about, i mean the country dosnt celebrate hannaka, or ramadan or any other religions festival and distroy their meaning, so why do they do it to christianity?

the thing is, (and you may not belive me now after that rant... ) i love christmas, i love going to midnightmass, i love giving gifts and seeing them opened and seeing happy faces, i love the wat christmas is so magical. i just have a real problem with how much the true story is either forgotten, or mocked.

apologies if i have offended anyone, this is probbably a bit too strong, im kinda annoyed anyway about somthing else so sorry.


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_Aime_
SILVER Member since Jan 2004

_Aime_

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Location: Hastings, United Kingdom

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Posted:*drags up her convo with UCoF on msn*
If/when i have kids, presents will be there because its christmas. and 'the myth' that children belived that santa brought presents down the chimney will be said ect.


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Mr Majestik
SILVER Member since Mar 2004

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Posted:untimely calc- christianity isnt dieing, there are more christians today than there has ever been!

and children need to be told lies when they are young so they can spot them when salesmen come knocking!


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Pink...?
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Posted:BBC about Moral of Santa story

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Prometheus


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Posted:(Editorial printed in the New York Sun in 1897:)



We take pleasure in answering thus prominently the communication below, expressing at the same time our great gratification that its faithful author is numbered among the friends of The Sun:



Dear Editor:



I am 8 years old. Some of my little friends say there is no Santa Claus. Papa says, "If you see it in The Sun, it's so." Please tell me the truth, is there a Santa Claus?



Virginia O'Hanlon







Virginia, your little friends are wrong. They have been affected by the skepticism of a skeptical age. They do not believe except what they see. They think that nothing can be which is not comprehensible by their little minds. All minds, Virginia, whether they be men's or children's, are little. In this great universe of ours, man is a mere insect, an ant, in his intellect as compared with the boundless world about him, as measured by the intelligence capable of grasping the whole of truth and knowledge.



Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus. He exists as certainly as love and generosity and devotion exist, and you know that they abound and give to your life its highest beauty and joy. Alas! How dreary would be the world if there were no Santa Claus! It would be as dreary as if there were no Virginias. There would be no childlike faith then, no poetry, no romance to make tolerable this existence. We should have no enjoyment, except in sense and sight. The external light with which childhood fills the world would be extinguished.



Not believe in Santa Claus! You might as well not believe in fairies. You might get your papa to hire men to watch in all the chimneys on Christmas eve to catch Santa Claus, but even if you did not see Santa Claus coming down, what would that prove? Nobody sees Santa Claus, but that is no sign that there is no Santa Claus. The most real things in the world are those that neither children nor men can see. Did you ever see fairies dancing on the lawn? Of course not, but that's no proof that they are not there. Nobody can conceive or imagine all the wonders there are unseen and unseeable in the world.



You tear apart the baby's rattle and see what makes the noise inside, but there is a veil covering the unseen world which not the strongest man, nor even the united strength of all the strongest men that ever lived could tear apart. Only faith, poetry, love, romance, can push aside that curtain and view and picture the supernal beauty and glory beyond. Is it all real? Ah, Virginia, in all this world there is nothing else real and abiding.



No Santa Claus! Thank God! he lives and lives forever. A thousand years from now, Virginia, nay 10 times 10,000 years from now, he will continue to make glad the heart of childhood.





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Skulduggery
GOLD Member since Aug 2004

Skulduggery

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Posted:I'm gonna make a santa trap and catch him! That way I can prove he is real!



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In my rather worse for wear state last night I forgot to bait the trap...... Oops! Well I guess there is always next year biggrin

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Mr Majestik
SILVER Member since Mar 2004

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Posted:prometheus, that sums up santa perfectly, thread closed!

"but have you considered there is more to life than your eyelids?"

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