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ben-ja-men
ben-ja-men

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Posted:if there was a quarterly spinning magazine full of loads of technical articles pretty pictures up and coming festivals around the globe for the quarter, interviews and all the other things u come to associate with magazines would you buy one possibly with a vcd of ppls lovely spinning

if yes what would u want from it and how much would you pay for it assuming it was professionally done? bearing in mind im thinking about an internet order based thing so ud have to order it online


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strugz
strugz

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Posted:Had a read, they certanly started it with good ideas / intensions.........

But i think due to lack of "input" it hasnt really grown at all........

I think if you are going to make something like this work, you need alot of input from people all over before you commit yourself to calling it "a monthly" magazine..... otherwise it will quickly fade into the abyss that is the web.......

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mech
mech

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Posted:i didnt makeit i just found it!



but i thought the same, a little low on the ground



main problem will be motivating people with deadlines, who already have jobs and ful time commitments to go and write and artice for you, on dead line, and not get any reward back...ie financial or discount....





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strugz
strugz

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Posted:Written by: Strugz

Had a read, they certanly started it with good ideas / intensions.........





dude, i read it so im fully away its something from the past - NOT done by Mech, c'mon man hence why i used the word THEY and not YOU above ubblol

Besides, im sure yours would be miles better..........

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mech
mech

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Posted:no, you would know its mine, as it would be packed full of spelling mistakes! biggrin

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strugz
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Posted:Written by: mech

no, you would know its mine, as it would be packed full of spelling mistakes! biggrin



im impressed - not one in sight wink


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mech
mech

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Posted:i know, im trying to type while i look at the screen (touch type) now rather then looking at the keyboard while i type, but its slow and annoying!

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loki.c1687
loki.c1687

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Posted:well for founding why not have a pre pay system for the first one.Something like 1.50 to book ur first mag.
I think people will help out if you ask.After all we all want spinning to become more than it is...if that makes sence.
mike.c


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JauntyJames
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Posted:eh... i think a pre-pay system would crash and burn, personally. people would be more eager to pay teh year's subscription in my opinion. they would just forget about a 1.50 prepay deal

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Jai - Staff
Jai - Staff

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Location: Gold Coast
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Posted:How many people actually go to a regular firey session at least once or twice a month? I know that i do try to get down as much as i can. If you really want this to work you should get one distributor from each state that has a half decent show of fireys. That way the distributor can also work on getting them into newsagencys.

But what are you going to do about advertisment? If the magazine is Australian based and you have advertisement from Juggleart in Melbourne, someone who reads it in the US wouldnt give a crap about it.

I have got an idea. Get the articles together, pictures all of that crap then make different advertisement sections for different Countries. ie. US, Australia, UK and any other places you can get advertisements. That way people who are traveling from Australia to UK know where some shops are. Also try to get all the gatherings in it as well.

Maybe look for investors if the grant isnt enough. I wouldnt mind putting up a lil bit of money as an investor and i think that you would find alot of other people willing to do the same.

Honestly i think it is a great concept and if there is anything i can do to help then pm me.

Maybe instead of a firey magazine you should maybe look at making it a circus magazine with firey stuff in it. Your goal is to get the word out to as many people as possible and if it has more than just firey then it would be a great way of getting more people interested.

Its just some ideas. Im behind it though.


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Orbit
Orbit

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Posted:I agree, Jai... limiting it to fire has been tried before, and doesn't seem to get very far. The idea is to go beyond that to cover all sorts of spinning. When things get better organized, there will be more on how people can help.

I was thinking of a sponsorship model -- where we'll post your name as a "sponsor" and even give you ad space (though that would probably just be selling an ad) in exchange for monetary support. I think there are enough people who are interested in seeing this work well that we would get enough sponsors to help us get off the ground. Then we can take money from selling the first issue to pay for the second, etc. etc.


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NYC Pyro
NYC Pyro

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Posted:i sadly cant name a lot of people, however i'll pick up the extra slack and buy 10 copies lol anyway seriously as for the problem with the spinners of different skill level, i think it would be better to have it more directed towards the moderately advanced spinners and have a small section for beginners with tips and pictures of hand placement as for advanced spinners, you could probably just have more advanced spinners send in editorial notes and whatnot, but that's just my two cents

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SCRUBS
SCRUBS

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Member Since: 28th Feb 2005
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Posted:I think that it would be nice to Know that ther was a magazine aimed at the spinning community, i Might even buy it occasionally. But I fear that if it was to glamourise the fire aspect of spinning the powers that be could clamp down on it. please focus on spinning and other circus type skills.

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Pele
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Posted:*bump* for Jai-Staff

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SickpuPpy
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Posted:*pssst*

If you put enough nearly naked girls in it.

it will sell


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brodieman
brodieman

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Posted:i think you at the moment ae focusing on sonthing a bit limited, spinning is truley wobnderful, but it is a closed market, why not do one on rave/party culture and inclube a section in the arts assosiatet with festivals and raves?

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newgabe
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Posted:Maybe because here spinning isn't so much associated with festivals and raves as it is with beaches!!

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Posted:in oz... wink

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bluecat
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Posted:yup.
in fact, i would say that in not many places in the uk is spinning a club thing as much as in london....

thats like me saying

'might as well do a magazine on beltane and have a section on spinning....'


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Shu
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Location: Pietermaritzburg (KZN)
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Posted:We've already got a stack of research on this, but more along the idea of an Alternative Lifestyle Magazine, focusing more on FyreDance, Drumming and the underground scene.

It's my brothers project, and he should be getting something up and running within the next few months.

It's fairly localised, but from what he's been talking about, he's looking at expanding the idea to an international level. The initial response to the concept has been surprisingly very good, but weather it actually works will remain to be seen!


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Jai - Staff
Jai - Staff

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Posted:Now everyone is getting off the track here. The first idea was to make a fire magazine, now were talking about making a rave magazine. lol. One problem at a time.

I have just read the whole thread, every single line. While reading it i noticed that we have alot of people with alot of amazing different talents. Not just firetwirling, but also journalism, marketing, ect. So why dont we make a HOP group that can make this magazine. HOP is the biggest fire resource in the world by far. It has tens on thousands of members from all over the world. We have the resources to make this an amazing success.

This magazine idea can be the biggest success since HOP or can just be another crazy idea that just never got off the ground. It all depeneds on who the target audience is. We have already discovered that most of the HOP population dont think it is a good idea, so dont target them. Target the people who dont have the internet but do twirl. Or the people who have seen it done before and want to get into it. I know i know, it will have safety features in it.

It all depends on who the target audience is and how you market it. I would like to think that i am good at marketing/distributing, and would love to help in this way, or any way i could help because i have wanted this idea to come to life ever since i heard about it.

AHHHHH!!!!!! I want this to happen. I want a fire magazine, or a circus magazine. Something we as fire twirlers can be proud of.

Where were you planning to sell the magazine ben and orbit? Coz that could be your biggest mistake. It would be to hard to try to sell the magazine at a newsagency. It would just be another magazine crowded in the vast display of magazines. It would be better to find out about all the gatherings and sell magazines there, and also at the stores(firetwirling stores). i was thinking of talking to 'Off Ya Tree'. The store that many hippys go into. lol. I think that they would be more than interested in the idea if they got a good deal from it.

Well my time is up. I love you all.

Jai.


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Vixen
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Posted:U cant sell it on the internet if your not aiming it at people who have internet access... xxx

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pricklyleaf
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Posted:I think the ideas got potetial, but poi spinning could be too limited to fill a whole mag and have enough demand. I, myself am a visual learner, so a magazine on spinning would be more helpful than the often confusing and unclear descriptions on here. If you did make it for beginners then bare in mind you would be compeating with the book, particularly with the excellent micheal Kahn book, and if I had to choose between a magazine with a bit of informatin, or a book with a hell of a lot of information but twice the price than I would get the book.

Bear in mind that most people buy these things on impulse, so you need to market it in places where this will be enabled. ie having it placed on a counter at circus toy shops or maybe on an internet shop that asks you if you would like to buy it at checkout or something.

Good luck, i think your probably going to need it!


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Ade
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Posted:Written by: Jai - Staff



Where were you planning to sell the magazine ben and orbit? Coz that could be your biggest mistake. It would be to hard to try to sell the magazine at a newsagency. It would just be another magazine crowded in the vast display of magazines. It would be better to find out about all the gatherings and sell magazines there, and also at the stores(firetwirling stores). i was thinking of talking to 'Off Ya Tree'. The store that many hippys go into. lol. I think that they would be more than interested in the idea if they got a good deal from it.

Jai.




I am putting my Devil's Advocats Hat devil

As someone who twirls but is in no way associated with hippy or rave culture, I'd never see your magazine if you stocked it in those sorts of places.

Selling at gatherings and festivals would be frought with issues I'd imagine (how do you recoupe expenses, pay people who are selling the mag, account for people who will rip you off and not give you the money for mags sold).... And again, there are probably a lot of spinners who are back yard or occasional spinners who have nothing to do with local gatherings.

If I was to buy one, I'd prefer to be able to get it at the newsagency - where there are lots of magazine for obscure hobbies and sports (e.g., my local news agent carries "Bows and Boars", "Witchcraft", "Tattoos down under", "Chicken breeders weekely", plenty of soft porn, quliters monthly..... etc).

Fire twirling is not the only obscure art to have found a home in the newsagency...

Just my 2 cents... ubbrollsmile


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Jai - Staff
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Posted:you know ade, you are right, you could probebly sell it down at the local newsagency, but to do that you would need to publish tens of thousands of magazines, which would be an extremely expensive thing. i got a quote for 1000 and that was $6.50 a magazine, i mean you work it out. it was a minimum of that by the way. thats alot of money, now times that by 10.

i think that selling it at a newsagency would be a great idea. in the end it would probebly make twice as much money.

luv y'all

Jai.


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LazyAngel
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Posted:getting away from the marketing for a minute, just my tuppence on what i'd like to see in a mag:

Lots of lovely juggling and spinny pictures in their own section
juggling/object manipulation (i.e from CJ to hat tricks) tips and tricks
spinning advice and tricks
safety advice
acrobatics advice
rerports on festivals
reviews of the latest equipment
alternative fire toys
articles written by guest spinners
DIY make your own toy section
a section on the alternative scene- concerning drumming or spinning at a rave/ whatever
a humour section with some cartoons/ jokes

in respect of the last section (cartoons/jokes) I did have an idea for a cartoon 'Staffman and PoiBoy', a couple of spinny superheroes who have various (mis)adventures. I can detail it a bit if anyone is interested..

I do keep on going to the newsagent in the hope of finding such a magazine, but all I can find is soft porn, cars and computer mags...


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Orbit
Orbit

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Posted:Did you really read everything I wrote? I bet I wrote something about this NOT being a fire magazine OR a juggling magazine...

Spinners in Oz and North America tend to think it's all about Fire, whereas UK spinners think it's all about juggling... with plenty of cross-over people in different places... but it's MORE than all that.

It's not just about the rave scene... just about object manipulation... just about festivals... etc etc.

It's a little bit of all of those things, and a whole lot about what's going on in all these different little communities and what we can all learn from each other.

Jai - you're right about having to fill shelves with copies you're not going to sell...

Right now, my energy is in editing a video that I'm planning to release as a DVD (teaser's coming)... but there seems to be a building wave of interest in the magazine as well.


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Jai - Staff
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Posted:Yes i did read everything Orbit, but by the time i got to the end of reading it all i couldnt remember all the stuff at the start. lol.

i think that you have some great ideas for the magazine LazyAngel. That cartoon idea sounds really funny.

well i lost the whole point of why i was replying to this. lol. i thought i had a point. ohh well i guess i dont.

love yall anyway.


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Orbit
Orbit

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Posted:Did I mention the "poi porn" section? Pictures of the "best" (okay, probably just the coolest looking) home-made poi.

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pitman
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Posted:this idea was brought up a while ago and i for 1 still think it should happen. does anyone know whats happning with this, has it happened and failed still in talks or what? lets start a campaing "bring out a fire mag" chanting whilst danceing around a fire

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Jai
Jai

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Posted:Well i spoke to a few printing places, there is alot of work involved in getting this sort of thing off the ground. You have to decide whether you want black and white, colour, gloss, size of print, ect. ect. ect.

Not only does it take alot of time and effort, it takes alot of money.

Orbit was talking about that video? I still want to buy one. I havnt seen it anywhere.

If anyone is serious about this and has ideas please IM me. Even if it is just to talk alot of non-sense about a magazine that never goes anywhere. I would rather work out that it is too hard than wondering what it couldve been like.

Peace.

Jai.


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