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ben-ja-men
ben-ja-men

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Location: Adelaide
Member Since: 12th Jun 2003
Total posts: 2474
Posted:so everyone takes something different from firespinning and does it for different reasons. ive met alot of spinners especially in the last 6 months while travelling as a result my standard of what i consider to be good is quite high (not that its about being good but just that it takes quite alot to impress me as far as technical skills go)

i understand that performers do what they do for a living so their reputation is part of their living, still something inside of me jars when i read things that are totally ludicris like

world's largest flaming fire staffs (6 feet long with 2 feet of wicking on both ends)
twirling speeds up to 90 m.p.h.

i suppose these sort of statements being just ludicris can be simply laughed at

when i read stuff like

his flexibility allows him to perform unparalleled tricks around his body
of the impish, chaotic style only he is master of
attained his status as a master of the fire arts
his flexibility and speed are without equal
conjures up the souls of ancient ritual dancers and powerful warriors to inhabit his staff

for some reason it just jars with me. if the videos from the site past and present had reflected this id have been on a plane to go visit but they dont.

but heres the thing

flameoz for example their bios are quite light hearted and dont make outrages claims but they are all excellent performer who do a great show

tepooka doesnt have individual bios but as a organisation, thing is though their claims are justified as their shows are spectular as can be seen in their videos

"Spectacular fire-shows featuring fire spinning, fire eating, fire breathing set against exploding pyrotechnic backdrops and original musical scores. Outrageous stilt walking, sensational street theatre, pyrotechnic mayhem and live drumming"

of all the spinners ive met all of the ones i would consider to be really good are very humble (except knox cos hes totally rubbish hug)

so im just wondering what other ppl think about the whole ego thing relating to performing and spinning in general.


Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourself, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous and talented? Who are you NOT to be?

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Dragon7
Dragon7

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Location: Aotearoa (NZ)
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Total posts: 625
Posted:offtopic confused2



I guess that afew of you would be happy to know that Flamingsphere is going then? At the end of the month so im informed...



I, for one, am not happy as i learn't alot of the flamingsphere videos and Jediwhite was/ is one of my fav spinners of all time.



For those who have never seen jedi white, i think afew of his old videos are still up in the archives at : http://www.flamingsphere.homestead.com/
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Untill the end of the month anyway...



That and other things also inspired me with this.. how much longer



LONG LIVE FLAMINGSPHERE!!! You will be missed frown wave Thanks for the yrs of entertainment

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fluffy napalm fairy
fluffy napalm fairy

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Location: Brum / Dorset / Fairy Land
Member Since: 12th Dec 2001
Total posts: 3638
Posted:NYC - I geniunely never have confused (that's not naieveity - it's honest); never has any spinner struck me in that way........

Geologists do it in the dirt................ spank

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bender
still can't believe it's not butter
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Member Since: 14th Nov 2001
Total posts: 6979
Posted:ahh, too little confidence, and people don't want to spin,
too much confidence and i get slapped.
last time i touch anyone's legs.

huh?


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bluecat
bluecat

geek, level 1
Location: everywhere
Member Since: 15th Dec 2002
Total posts: 5300
Posted:dragon - that post was exceptionally on-topic...:)

tis a pity flamingshere is going. unfortunately no vids of jediwhite are up on it at the moment frown

i've met a few of the discussed type of spinner/juggler. it's easy t just ignore them and have fun by yourself, or with all the other people who aren't like that smile


Holistic Spinner (I hope)

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arashi
arashi

Pooh-Bah
Location: austin,tx
Member Since: 21st Mar 2002
Total posts: 2363
Posted:it's about time SOMEONE recognized my ego.
all these people i've met kept saying they never met someone "like that"
iwas getting nervous


-Such a price the gods exact for song: to become what we sing
-Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty.
-When the center of the storm does not move, you are in its path.

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Stone
Stream Entrant
Location: Melbourne
Member Since: 13th Jun 2001
Total posts: 2830
Posted:Big wavehello5 for mr arashi's ego clap



Well said Orbit. Take heart, Im in the process of organising a reluctant performers workshop, where we can learn a bit of stagecraft. As a general comment on buskers and street performers, Id say more action and less prattle.



Thanks bluecat, What is ego? Personally, I think its mostly ID. And people like Albert Eienstine had real access to their cerebral cortex.



"A human being is a part of a whole, called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty." Albert Einstein. (Thanks for the good quote PsyRush smile







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If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh

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LazyAngel
LazyAngel

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Location: Cambridge UK
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Posted:Written by: Dragon7


I guess that afew of you would be happy to know that Flamingsphere is going then? At the end of the month so im informed...

LONG LIVE FLAMINGSPHERE!!! You will be missed frown wave Thanks for the yrs of entertainment



I remember getting a lot of the vids I looked at and learnt from as a newbie from flamingsphere.com, as a result I have a lot of respect for all the Oklahoma Fire Ents. Group. They've produced some awesome videos, and although I've only chatted to Dio on MSN, he seems like a pretty cool dude. Anyone who thinks they've got a problem with ego should watch 'PoisgoneWild' or Dan's poi moves (for the ladeez wink)

I had no idea that Flamingsphere was going offline, and I will mourn it's loss. So I would like to ditto Dragon's comment

I think you have to have ego to spin, otherwise I would never have been able to practise in the park to start with. I always took the viewpoint 'I may be causing myself serious pain every 5 minutes and looking foolish, but at least I'm putting in the effort to learn a skill'. Now i'm much more confident with poi, but I still go through the same feeling when practising staff. Don't mistake someone being comfortable with a skill for arrogance.

offtopic has anyone got a copy of Dantana's 'nexus' sockpoi vid?


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bender
still can't believe it's not butter
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Member Since: 14th Nov 2001
Total posts: 6979
Posted:Written by: LazyAngel

offtopic has anyone got a copy of Dantana's 'nexus' sockpoi vid?


with permission, i will host it for youse. smile


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KaelGotRice
KaelGotRice

Basu gasu bakuhatsu - because sometimes buses explode
Location: Angel's Landing, USA
Member Since: 21st Jul 2003
Total posts: 1584
Posted:Arashi is from Texas, the ego is assured.

wink


To do: More Firedrums 08 video?
Wildfire/US East coast fire footage
LA/EDC glow/fire footage
Fresno fire

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NYC
NYC

NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Member Since: 26th Aug 2001
Total posts: 9232
Posted:Written by: arashi

it's about time SOMEONE recognized my ego.
all these people i've met kept saying they never met someone "like that"
iwas getting nervous



I mean do you guys KNOW how long he's been spinning?

ubblol

I wrote a response before but it got lost and whenever that happens I'm much less eloquent on the second attempt but I'll try.

I absolutely believe that Cole and Fluffy have never seen stuff like that. Of course, they don't live in America, a country where "Ego" tends to be a compliment. wink

But even in the UK, I'm surprised how different people can be in different circumstances. I'm not sure why, but people tend to say the snidest comments to me on the side... stuff that I really don't think they'd say in public.

I'm not really complaining but I've DEFINITELY heard things like...
"I could have done that performance better"
"X didn't deserve to get to perform at that venue"
"I've been spinning fire X years longer than you and therefore my opinion is fact and yours is wrong" (and it's hundreds of variants)
"I've done gigs with these people and am therefore more qualified to judge than you"
"I'm not going to spin right now because only newbies are spinning and it wouldn't look cool."
"I've taught more, learned from more, slept with more, am worshiped by more firespinners than you and therefore the next sentence out of my mouth is more important..."

Maybe people just tend to be more blunt in my presence.

Then again, the first poi critique I got upon my arrival in London was "I can't believe you've been spinning for two years, I've only been spinning for 6 months and I'm way better"

Something I'm certain nobody would ever utter in the presence of a Fairy or a Cole.

ubbangel

In summary, I've always been a bit sad to find out later that certain people that I knew and loved had such an ego... but buried it under the false pretence of modesty. I won't make a cultural generalization, but most of the egocentric spinners that I've met in the US will greet you with it as they introduce themselves. Usually with fireworks and intro music. wink

[I'm not actually complaining. Ego's don't really bother me, especially once you figure out who's got em and how big they are. It's actually pretty entertaining to have someone just babble on about themselves... at least it passes time if you're not near a TV. biggrin ]


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Yes, let's go.
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Pyrolific
Returning to a unique state of Equilibrium
Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Member Since: 10th Jan 2001
Total posts: 3288
Posted:yeah but there is a big difference between rejoicing in ego-centrism and actively trying your best to emancipate yourself from its limitations. The vast majority of 'advanced' spinners I've met are quite humble, or at least dont actively rub anyone's nose in it.

Its the perceptions vs the actions thing.


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Doc Lightning
Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Member Since: 28th May 2001
Total posts: 13920
Posted:When it comes to spinning, I have no ego.

I'm a mediocre spinner...so what's the point of ego?


-Mike )'(
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella

"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura

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bender
still can't believe it's not butter
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Member Since: 14th Nov 2001
Total posts: 6979
Posted:Written by: Pyrolific

yeah but there is a big difference between rejoicing in ego-centrism and actively trying your best to emancipate yourself from its limitations. The vast majority of 'advanced' spinners I've met are quite humble, or at least dont actively rub anyone's nose in it.

Its the perceptions vs the actions thing.


i could believe that you are in fact describing yourself smile ubbidea


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arashi
arashi

Pooh-Bah
Location: austin,tx
Member Since: 21st Mar 2002
Total posts: 2363
Posted:OK lets get one thing straight. if ANYBODY here is the best spinner there is but remains really humble and down to earth despite the constant showering of ablutions it is ME

-Such a price the gods exact for song: to become what we sing
-Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty.
-When the center of the storm does not move, you are in its path.

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strugz
strugz

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Location: Southampton - Possibly...
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Posted:ubblol

"...We don't stop playing because we get old, we get old because we stop playing......."

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Doc Lightning
Doc Lightning

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Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Member Since: 28th May 2001
Total posts: 13920
Posted:Well, duh!

-Mike )'(
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella

"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura

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mico
mico

freedom in chains
Location: San Francisco & Oxford
Member Since: 20th Jul 2004
Total posts: 176
Posted:Written by: arashi
.. despite the constant showering of ablutions..



Showering of WHAT?

"Ablution may refer to the practice of removing sins, diseases or earthly defilements
through the use of ritual washing, or the practice of using ritual washing as one part
of a ceremony to remove sin or disease."

Eergh!

wink


~peace is a fire~

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LazyAngel
LazyAngel

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Location: Cambridge UK
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Posted:*puts in a due acknowledgement to Arashi's ego and humbleness at the same time*
ubbangel
take two ablutions into the shower? No I just wash and defile myself wink


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NYC
NYC

NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Member Since: 26th Aug 2001
Total posts: 9232
Posted:Written by: arashi

OK lets get one thing straight. if ANYBODY here is the best spinner there is but remains really humble and down to earth despite the constant showering of ablutions it is ME



I still don't understand how you're not the worlds largest chick magnet. And no, Meg doesn't count. ubbangel


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arashi
arashi

Pooh-Bah
Location: austin,tx
Member Since: 21st Mar 2002
Total posts: 2363
Posted:umm methinks thou dost protest too little!!! umm wink

chick "magnet"?!?! well i never really use my dancing to get girls, so i'm pretty much relying on my looks and personality. can you say "weak magnetic force?"

on ablutions... "you missed a spot... a dirty, sinful spot..."


-Such a price the gods exact for song: to become what we sing
-Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty.
-When the center of the storm does not move, you are in its path.

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mcp
mcp

Flying Water Muppet
Location: Edin-borrow.
Member Since: 20th May 2003
Total posts: 5276
Posted:Written by: arashi


so i'm pretty much relying on my looks and personality.





and thus the mystery of Arashi's frustrated horny singledom was solved!



<meg goes off to live in "Case Closed, Edinburgh, Scotland.">


"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

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fluffy napalm fairy
fluffy napalm fairy

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Posted:I'm going to use your list if that's ok, NYC, to show the reason why I haven't heard any of this as EGO speaking:

1) "I could have done that performance better"
- perhaps the performance was [censored]. And they could have done it better. Granted I don't think I would have said it, but it could be quite simple truth. If not - the misguided person is not doing it in a very offensive or obtrusive way.

2) "X didn't deserve to get to perform at that venue"
- I haven't ever heard that/thought that etc. But I reckon the same answer applies.

3) "I've been spinning fire X years longer than you and therefore my opinion is fact and yours is wrong" (and it's hundreds of variants)
- possibly the person was just saying the first bit, and the second is an interpretation? I have never heard anyone, ever, EVER, say to me that their opinion is better. Only that it is theirs, and they are entitled to express it. The way you read that or react to it is up to you.

4) "I've done gigs with these people and am therefore more qualified to judge than you"
- again, maybe they were just saying 'look what I've done' and not necessarily 'look what I've done it's so much better than you'.

5) "I'm not going to spin right now because only newbies are spinning and it wouldn't look cool."
-Possibly, like me, They don't want to intimidate people. Often I will go and teach newbies. Often I can't be bothered or would just enjoy a spin. In those situations, if there are a lot of newbies about, I don't want to look as if I'm showing off. This may be big-headed somehow but is my way of being sensitive.

6) "I've taught more, learned from more, slept with more, am worshiped by more firespinners than you and therefore the next sentence out of my mouth is more important..."
- again - even if someone said all the list above, the next bit is spin/interpretation. Irrational people who genuinely try to claim superiority are not worth very much in my opinion. Fortunately no spinner has ever shown this side of themself to me. I have sat here for days trying to think of one and failed. (I also ate, slept and washed, fyi wink ) The only possible cases I can think of are young, excitable newbies who are generally immature and not very able to think beyond 'bigger/better/faster/cooler' yet and can therefore, imo, be totally excused.

Not sure why I wrote all this. There's no point. Just don't think I've ever met anyhone who thinks they are the best, or who has ever said so.

ubbrollsmile


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Kyrian
Dreamer
Location: York, England
Member Since: 15th Mar 2002
Total posts: 4308
Posted:Myst, lol? I've definetly heard people say stuff like that all the time. And in some cases it may have been spin, and in some cases there was no room for interpretation.

But I'm not sure I know many people who actually think that in any kind of demeaning form.


offtopic:
Nonetheless I'm completly shy about spinning around people these days, except for standing in the corner doing hyperloops tongue (Or messing with contact moves I have absolutly no expirience with and thus shouldn't be any good at biggrin)
/off topic

But I did hear some comments whilst in england constituting very demeaning remarks about people's skill levels and spinning styles, in some cases coming from some reasonably respected spinners, so I see where people are coming from...


Keep your dream alive
Dreamin is still how the strong survive

Shalom VeAhavah

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KaelGotRice
KaelGotRice

Basu gasu bakuhatsu - because sometimes buses explode
Location: Angel's Landing, USA
Member Since: 21st Jul 2003
Total posts: 1584
Posted:hahaha
you named names! you named names!

wink


To do: More Firedrums 08 video?
Wildfire/US East coast fire footage
LA/EDC glow/fire footage
Fresno fire

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mcp
mcp

Flying Water Muppet
Location: Edin-borrow.
Member Since: 20th May 2003
Total posts: 5276
Posted:Who is myst?

We can't let this thread die! It was just getting interesting! We were getting over the hill of politeness and there was almost a bitch-slapping on the distant horizon!


"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

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Kyrian
Dreamer
Location: York, England
Member Since: 15th Mar 2002
Total posts: 4308
Posted:Its my memory that Myst was the (one of) the original instigators of fighting and sh*t talking here... in fact every time someone said "the board is getting bad, the board is getting bad" people kept bumping one particular thread in an effort to prove it had always gone in cycles... but as I can't find that thread now, I will have to wait for nyc to walk in here and tell me if i'm crazy or not tongue

Ok, I set myself up for that, but I meant whether I was remembering correctly.

I've found references to Myst being a b*tch, but not the actual threads. (From himself, at that). Truth is he's really cool, and you can see that he grows up over time, but I mentioned names cause it was going to be an obvious example of put-downs and the like. And one that ultimately didn't reflect back negatively on the person.

I'm actually having a thought here, and I'm a little bit serious. Maybe NYC and I just don't understand British sarcasm. Maybe when people say things like "they should get the hell out of here then if they can't do (x,y,z)" and then ignore people its really just some sort of huge in joke......... umm
But there's non americans who said they've heard this kind of stuff too, so who knows.....


Keep your dream alive
Dreamin is still how the strong survive

Shalom VeAhavah

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arashi
arashi

Pooh-Bah
Location: austin,tx
Member Since: 21st Mar 2002
Total posts: 2363
Posted:Written by: mcp

Written by: arashi

so i'm pretty much relying on my looks and personality.



and thus the mystery of Arashi's frustrated horny singledom was solved!

<meg goes off to live in "Case Closed, Edinburgh, Scotland.">



gee, look. meg hit the side of that barn sitting there right in front of her.
give that gal a million dollar contract. umm
hug


-Such a price the gods exact for song: to become what we sing
-Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty.
-When the center of the storm does not move, you are in its path.

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mcp
mcp

Flying Water Muppet
Location: Edin-borrow.
Member Since: 20th May 2003
Total posts: 5276
Posted:it's cos I took my glasses off.

tongueunchhugsmiley:


"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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Kyrian
Dreamer
Location: York, England
Member Since: 15th Mar 2002
Total posts: 4308
Posted:The difference is, most people save their flirting for social chat or the bottom of otherwise semi-useful posts....

Keep your dream alive
Dreamin is still how the strong survive

Shalom VeAhavah

New Hampshire has a point....

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NYC
NYC

NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Member Since: 26th Aug 2001
Total posts: 9232
Posted:Written by: fluffy napalm fairy

Not sure why I wrote all this. There's no point.



I think you were just disagreeing with me out of habit. wink


Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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