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Analemma


Analemma

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Posted:Just realized that these beauties havent been discussed before, so lets talk! And Rev, you are not allowed to write more than 2 pages in every post wink

My interpretation of Atomic weaves: A weave where the planes are 90 degrees apart. Same hand movement as in a weave. Splittime.

You can more or less do everything with atomic weaves that you can do with normal ones (turning, bhb . . .)
BUT - There seem to be 2 different categories: 3 beat and 5 beat. The interesting thing: You are not able to change from one to the other unless you break the planes 180 degree! ubbloco Either you spin in a 3 beat pattern or in a 5 beat one. They are as far away from each other as Butterflies and Weaves!
So you can transition with one 90 degree plane change like this:

..................................Weaves...............................
.............................. /.................\.............................
3B Atomic weaves...................5B Atomic weaves
...............................\................./.............................
................................Butterflies...............................


Rev, please tell me that you understand this diagram!

Where are the geeks ?!?

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simian


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Posted:Crane Stance - standing on one leg like the Karate Kid



EDIT: Ah! After some researching on extremely old skool hop threads i believe that when arashi says "crane" he means "both poi same time, same direction, hands together"



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Posted:yeah anyway, like YT says you can switch the under and over beats around (thats because its a butterfly weave)



You get some wierd bits that feel like antispin on some transitions if you do that. Antispin buttefly stuff? does that work? offtopicness...



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a.) Start with step 6. (You can spin this one continuously and with hands close together - this is the atom with crossed arms I was talking about)

b.) Now do a figure of 8 with the blue one (one beat to the right side and back). This way you take your right (blue) hand on top.

c.) You should be in step 3 now

d.) Same as b.) only that the red one spins a figure8 to the left and back. Taking the red on top.

Now you are back in step 6! Start over again . . .





Yeah i was doing that last night!

Is that a weave? I do that move with ordinary straight planes, and just consider it as switching between crossed arm butterfly reels (bfly crossers).

Although i suppose thats the same as a 2bt butterfly weave with 180 turns whenever the arms are crossed.



Glad my diagram helped you out Y.T. smile

(psst - You'll learn much more stuff at spittalfields than you ever will from stuff on the internet)

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Analemma


Analemma

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Posted:Written by:
i suppose thats the same as a 2bt butterfly weave with 180 turns whenever the arms are crossed.



If you stretch the plane 90degree more, so you are in the butterfly family ... then yes, thats how one could call it biggrin

Try to take one into the horizontal plane - that would be the version between the 3beat and the 5beat atomic family. Corkscrew&Windmill = Corkmill or Windscrew ubbloco ?!?

Arashi: I thought i would know what your inversions were, but atomic inversions are kind of impossible imo ?!?


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spiralx


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Posted:Atomic inversions are very possible smile That's how I do my version of the atomic weave - the switch between which arm is on top takes place inside the arms and not on the outside like in regular weaves. So one poi is always in the front wall plane, the other is always in the right wheel plane for instance - the transition from under to over goes inside the box formed by the poi.

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Analemma


Analemma

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Posted:What you describe is what I call inside (NYC style Buzzsaw weave) - inverse weave arashi style is a weave with the crossover between the arms(isolated hand motion). Quite difficult, and what I THINK is not possible with atoms.

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spiralx


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Posted:I think you've got it... but I will need to check that the other kind of inverted weave isn't possible. If it is, it'll be bloody difficult!

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UCOF
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Posted:Where is Rev?

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[Nx?]
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Posted:would look beutifull tho.....

been thinking about it too, and i dont see why its impossible, just very tight on the planes....

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spiralx


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Posted:Rev said he was taking a break from poi to get some work done without distractions smile

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Rev
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Posted:indeed... poi is too much of a distraction.. and I've typed up 56 pages in papers these last two weeks, 3 presentations, and 2 reports.. MEOW..

a few quick comments..
OFF TOPIC:
sorry arashi... I agreee with you sometimes.. (I'm sure its happened.. really.. ) but weaves go inside.. weaves not going inside are like butterflies that are in the same plane.. they dont happen.. granted with a weave you can try hard and force them into the same plane.. but noone spins like that.. we ALL spin threaded.. bouncing from inside to out..

and thanks guys.. glad to see I missed.. and thanks Andy, finally someone else that runs into the same problems with sprial that I do.. wink but I still love him all the same hug

ON Topic:
I agree with much of what andy has said, but need to have a spin before i can actually contribute and come back.. I was running into a lot of this when I was trying to find out the different ways to do atoms.. having nothing really to go on.. and in the end pushed the pursuit off for one horizontal and one vert..

and I think andy is so right about avoiding the butterfly weave discussion.. because when you get into atomics the butterfly and the weave versions need to be left seperated.. because the confusions will bleed over.. because there's much that can be done that way..

damnit.. I came back so that there wouldnt be 100's of things for me to surf through... and now look.. GRRR..

Sorry guys.. I'll be back in about a week or two..


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Posted:yo,

been playing with the split time, and it works for me if both poi are going the same direction (i.e. CCW).

Im not shure about how seperated thease things are from weave and butterfly discussions, because they seem to be an amalgamation of the two.

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spiralx


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Posted:Not only do I finally have video footage of me (albeit not very much), it's of me doing a forwards atomic weave...

http://www.homeofchutney.com/simian/spiralx.wmv
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Or at least, what I call one ubblol Let the arguments recommence!


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Dunc
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Posted:I like the website name, sounds like a gay porn site ubblol

Let's relight this forum ubblove

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spiralx


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Posted:More thoughts...

3 beat atom weave like a regular weave is quite hard I find. Inverted atom weaves are a lot easier to do - I've been doing the trailing poi entry version for a while and just got the leading poi version now. The trailing is in a sense easier as it doesn't involve any plane breaks.

And if arashi is reading how do you define inverted in this sense? I'm talking about it as if we were doing unatomic moves because they're "the same" but folded out to be atomic, but they're not your definition of inverted wink

The atom version of the notcoleman5 is very hard indeed ubblol


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Posted:well, my notions of inverted/inside were fine tuned from playing with atomics- so yes they are the same, though i'm not sure i understand what you're asking. in fact the theory is all easier to understand with atomics, i think, but they are physically harder to do, so i was going to teach the inverted weaves first, then the inside weaves, then the atomics. once i did atomics my whole notions of buterflies evolved. my spinning framework is a bit different, i don't think in terms of beat weaves, i think in terms of crossovers and where the circles go before and after them. if you read the questions and explanations i posed to rev in the inverted weaves thread (which he never answered) about inside butterflies, and what he kept calling an inverted butterfly, you'll see what i mean. but anyways once i get back to the inverted thread there'll be a lot more of these atomics to do, i'll even explain them specifically there.

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arashi


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Posted:basic crane:
exact same x formation as bfly but same direction... parallel weaves? i think they're the same? at least that's what i've been calling cranes here at hop


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Rev
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Posted:the same x pattern of a butterfly but same direction.. I've been calling those same direction butterflies.. parallel weave?!? I think that came up when andy was talking about the hardest move he knew.. which was taking a same time same direction butterfly and antispinning one...which resulted in sort of same direction ttn.. but he wasnt calling it that I think..

where did you mention these as cranes at, if that's not too difficult of a question? I'd like to look up some older threads that I've missed stuff in..

oh and sorry I never answered your question.. I got sidetracked.. let me go back and re-read it..


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Posted:Ok, a basic question then. If I take a weave and make it "atomic" in the sense that say my left hand is in the front wall plane spinning CW and my right hand is spinning right wheel plane CCW (as in the video of me) is this "same" direction spinning or not? Because although this seems to be same direction I can do a TTN from here easy peasy. Or maybe I'm still just confused lol.

But a more precise definition of same direction is definitely needed.

PS. Happy Christmas to all the poi geeks out there wink biggrin


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Rev
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Posted:there's a video of you? eek

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Posted:Seven posts up smile It's not very good or long though...

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Rev
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Posted:hahaha.. I finally got to see spiral... so the video claims.. I don't believe.. I got told you were a 'big' kid...

I'll comment on the poi-ness sometime this weekend.. I gotta go so I have time to respond to arashi and still get on the road to the new years party..


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Posted:sorry but i can do it! i will need a lot of help to sort these out!

I'm going to leave the army and run away to the circus

if not i will just become a MI5 agent !!!

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Posted:correct me if im wrong, but arent atomic weaves the same a say a double TTN? or do they as a rule have to be spinning the same direction?

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PoiToi


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Posted:humm..
I thought i knew what was going on at first but now i'm just confused.


i thought an atomic weave meant one poi spinning in wheel plane, and one in wall plane., without any plane breaks.

so if the left was doing a normal forward weave motion (CW wheel plane) your left hand would do 2 beats on the right and one on the right

your right hand/poi would be doing a forward butterfly direction (CCW) but would be going 2 beats in back of you and one in front, to keep the weave there.

thoughts?


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Posted:I think there's plenty of different ways of doing what could be called an "atomic weave" smile Yours is as good as any...

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Nucleopoi

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Posted:What exactly are atomic weaves?sorry if i sound really stupid lol

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Disc0


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Posted:anybody got a vid of a atomic weave? i can't make anything out of all descriptions.... frown

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Posted:You could try reading the thread ya know - someone already asked that and I said...

Written by: spiralx

Seven posts up smile It's not very good or long though...



So it's now a bit further up. It's a bit sloppy, and it's only one kind of atomic weave which is equivalent to the buzzsaw weave.


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Posted:thx! i know... i'm quite lazy... frown

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Posted:I found the atomic weave yesterday (I think biggrin ).

I did the atomic when I put my palsm together when doing a weave and let the planes go and trying to find a flow in it.

And the turns feel so good and you can do flowers/antispin flowers with the palms together when doing atomics :P

I gues this is a atomic weave or is it?

So smooth and so unrealistic feeling :P

//R.I


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