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laZy
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Posted:OK so first an apology to the admin guys. Sorry but I searched numerous times for the original thread and couldn't find it.

Next. Just thought that you should all know that throwing your poi is really cool and looks great.

Next. It's great for when you F**K up. eg. Your really goin all out in a btb reverse weave on poi slips and shoots in to the air. Because you have practised catching the poi you can carry on as if nothing went wrong.

Also: hardly anyone does em!!!

Next: there are a number of different throws.

Weave throws- the easiest
Butterfly throws- little harder
Corkscrew throws-harder again
Double throws-twice as hard as a single of that type of throw.

I'm not going to tell you how to do them because theyre pretty self explanitary and if you can find the other thread then it's all on there, however if the other thread no longer exists then I'll write it all out.

This is more of an advanced class.

Step one) Put a 180 into your throw. eg. reverse weave-release-turn-catch-forward weave.

Step two) More spins/trurns

Step three) BTB throws

Step four) Under arm/legh throws. I like the under arm here is a faviourate variation. this is throwing the right poi only...
reverse weave-move the right hand behind the back and across to the other side, just as you would to change from reverse weave to a btb reverse weave, keep the left arm out straight on the left hand side. Break down: both poi spinning reverse-side plane-on left hand side-the left arm out like a scare crow-the right arm tucked behind the back-right hand protruding about hip level on left hand side- right poi spinning a reverse side plane. Now you'll notice that the right poi will catch on your left arm, the idea is that you release the poi before it hits your arm, the best time is just before it reaches verticle. now turn 180 and catch go into forward weave. this is really nice when the move is done slowly but also when you get good height with the throw.

I'll put thebutterfly stuff and the corkscrew stuff up later because i've run out of energy cool


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UCOF
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Posted:Written by: laZy
Just thought that you should all know that throwing your poi is really cool and looks great.



and

Written by: laZY
hardly anyone does em!!!



and

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energy



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Faberg
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Posted:Written by: laZy


Step three) BTB throws





that's the only one i can do. at least.... it's the only one i've really tried to do. flipping my right poi from behind my back up over my left shoulder.

i can do it all the time with my socks, but i've only caught it once on fire, damn chains & loops are hard to see in the dark rolleyes

i had kind of wondered if it would be easier to use heavier handles/loops. would a weighted end be easier to throw/catch?


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UCOF
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Posted:Probably not...I think.

Its mainly catching you need to work on.

Bigger handles might work as it would be easier to catch?

Im still working on the negative space throws....


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Dunc
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Posted:bigger handles are great, I use two finger monkey fists knots as handles and they work lovely for fire throws ubblove

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Pink...?
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Posted:I like doing throws from TTN.

You can either let them go over to the other side
or keep them on the same side,

So if you release them when your right hand is under your left hand, you catch it when you right hand is ontop of your left hand.

GRR i am awful at explaining moves (hense not posting much on poi moves thread!)


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ado-p
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Posted:Written by: Dunc

bigger handles are great, I use two finger monkey fists knots as handles and they work lovely for fire throws ubblove



you make monkey fists from fingers?

eugh.

I like throws too. I can do that one where you throw both out in front of you and the handles flip over and back into your ands

oh and that one faberge is on about. only im better at it wink


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Faberg
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Posted:liar hehe

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Posted:I've been trying to work club tricks into my poi throwing - chops and suchlike. I'm not very good at any of them yet though... Working on the shower at the moment. It's rather dangerous for anyone nearby. The Rubber Heart Duo vids have some nice staff stuff in that can be applied to poi - go check them out if you haven't already.
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laZy
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Posted:Heavy handles could work but like the dude said it's mostly practise.

Am I wrong? do loads of people do em, I've never seen anyone else do them appart from one dude I met a while a go but he was using glowsticks.

BTB there are loads of variations I'll write them up tomorrow or something, am very tired should be in bed.


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Posted:Written by: laZy

Heavy handles could work but like the dude said it's mostly practise.

Am I wrong? do loads of people do em, I've never seen anyone else do them appart from one dude I met a while a go but he was using glowsticks.

BTB there are loads of variations I'll write them up tomorrow or something, am very tired should be in bed.



Everyone I know does them all the time. You don't see a lot of them in videos though, really...

On the handles front, I can't get used to having weighted handles, I just have some big knots in my socks. I'm gonna try and weight my chains a bit though, because they're just *too* light for throwing on the handle end.


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coleman
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Posted:watch spinach sessions number 1 (available for download from www.poiinthepark.net).

isolated throws and pirouettes up yer do-da.

and if you help www.spherculism.com get back on line you will get lots of videos of matt "i got stylz upon stylz that you ain't seen" poipoipoi doing smooth as hell throw combos.


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UCOF
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Posted:ditto everything Cole said.

I would also just like to add, along the lines of spinning a staff horizontally, that when I let go of my poi I feel silly.

I like to hold my poi, unless I specifically dont want to, at that point in time.


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flid
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Posted:my main tip for throws with fire is to practice in daylight with lit poi. The weight changes as the burn progresses and more fuel is burnt off, changing the dynamics. If you practice with unsoaked poi all the time, it's best to do throws at the end of your burn when starting with fire (it has the added benefit that if you drop them you can just claim you did it on purpose because it's the end ubbangel). I found the same is true with hyperloops and poi that soak up a lot of fuel.

I tried using hoops as handles for a while to see if it made it easier, but they just hurt more when i caught em wrong wink


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Posted:oh dear oh dear, cant find the thread, what a pity, theres loads and loads and loads of combinations, look under 'release the poi' for a good one.

split time double throws are hard as [censored], double butterfly btb throws are hard as [censored] and cool as [censored] too. Double Suicide releases (wrap then release) are cool and dangerous and hard as [censored]. one handed relases from butterfly are pretty damm hard but easir if you go for opposite poi.

throws in the dark are easy. try catching coles areotechs in the pitch black with black laces, no problem!

oh and non-spinning throws with couterweighted poi look lush and require muchos finnesse.

skyrockets (like in how to) are a great finnisher.

throws to kicks then catches are silly. but hard as [censored].

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Posted:Written by: [Nx?
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split time double throws are hard as censored, double butterfly btb throws are hard as censored and cool as censored too. Double Suicide releases (wrap then release) are cool and dangerous and hard as censored. one handed relases from butterfly are pretty damm hard but easir if you go for opposite poi.




Wrong. All the throws you describe are easy. I can do them all with my eyes shut.

Granted, not very cleanly.

And I can't catch them at all.

But I can throw the heck out of them.

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MikeIcon
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Posted:One thing I dont think any of you have mentioned that there are two types of throws, direction changing throws and throws that continue going the way they went in. This is really where weighted handles come in. It is very hard to do good same direction throws without them.

Hand changes are also pretty tricky. Ive been working on one where Im doing reverse low waves, toss my right poi under my right leg, grab my left poi with my right hand BTB, catch the right poi with my left hand under my left leg. Come out in forward low waves.

Lastly, 1 handed double throws -> 2 handed catch. What I do is Ill go into parallel weave or something, put both poi in my right hand and do a 1 hand BTB wall plane throw out to my left. If the poi didnt tangle when you did this, they will split apart perfectly and you can turn 90 deg left and catch them into parallel reels or some such...


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MikeIcon
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Posted:Oh yeah...

...And elbow catches ^_^


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Dunc
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Posted:Written by: lazy
Am I wrong? do loads of people do em





Yup, we all luv em round here smile



Written by: pink
I like doing throws from TTN....GRR i am awful at explaining moves



Makes poifect sense to me, these are my favourite throws ubblove Especially if it's in the middle of isolated TTN's, it really confuses peeps that haven't seen them before which make me chuckle...tee hee hee ubbangel They're an excellent way to start some nice contact propellors too





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you make monkey fists from fingers?

eugh.







Yeah I find fingers have the best grip by far wink ubblol



As for spinach sessions throws, they're ok but alot of them could be much cleaner, the pirouettes are lovely tho ubblove



No one has mentioned tangle throws yet which have loads of possibilities. You can throw one poi out of a weave tangle, throw both poi upwards mid weave tangle and they come down seperated (with the right timing/throw direction). You can also release one but keep them in the tangle for some nice whippage related fun biggrin

Or butterfly tangles (thrown from infinate butterfloop position) where they stay together no matter how far/high/many flips they do in the air. They really are strange to use and the timing has to be impecible to catch and carry on into butterfly but not quite so precise to carry the catch on into weave wink



I like some of your catch combos Icon, I think you should get yo ass into the uk sometime, I think you'd like it here wink



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MikeIcon
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Posted:I would most definately like to go to UK. Ive been thinking about going next spring/summer but it really depends on my money situation when the time comes.

As for your tangle throws, I was actually gonna make another post about those too but I figured 3 posts in a row is a bit much. When I do tangle throws, I really dont throw em. I do tangles, then release the handle(s) with a little push so the handles just kinda rotate with the heads. I try to keep the tangle as stationary as possible because this generally looks better than if you throw them up in the air.

Ill do a normal wall plane air wrap and let one handle go. Depending on where exactly on the chain you tangled, the poi can do oe of two things here... If you tangled near the handles, the poi usually rotate tangled for a little bit then the one you released should be let loose into a toss to be caught. Or if you tangled closer to the head, the poi will stay tangled for one whole beat and you can re-catch the loose handle and exit the tangle normally.

Tangled double releases or tangled suicides (I like that name smile ) are really tricky and Ive only successfully done them once or twice. You pretty much have to be dead on all the aspects. The tangle has to be pretty much perfectly in the center, the handles have to be weighted, and you have to toss teh handles just right in order for the tangle to rotate in its place and catch the handles as they come around.


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Dunc
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Posted:tangle suicides.....hmmmm....

*runs away to try*


*runs back in*

They're awesome!! Why the hell didn't I think of doing that before?! thanks Icon hug2

If you do decide to come to the yoo kay, I'm sure you'll find plenty of cheap places to stay, like the many HoPpers sofas that are around, including mine biggrin


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TheWibbler
GOLD Member since Apr 2003

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Posted:Thanks Coleman, you're too kind.

Throwing poi is excellent. I've been developing my throwing style for almost 2 years now and can quite happily freestyle with the poi in the air for about half the time.

The videos on |s| are over a year old. Tthere are lots more throwing vids to make. Almost back online. Will probably make a new set of vids at christmas. If anyone wants to see them that is wink

Personally I split it down like this:

You throw a poi overarm or underarm.
It makes no difference what pattern you fit a throw into, just so long as your throws are tight.
It's never your catch that is wrong, only the throw, you shouldn't need to move your hand to catch it.
Focus on pushing the poi handle around in a circle as it leaves your hand and whilst it is in the air.

Use The Force wink

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Dunc
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Posted:I agree to a degree but disagree to a degree (what a lot of gree's umm)

What you say about the catching hand is right, but, there's a lot of throws out there that need you to move your hand, low throws to high catches and visa-versa, hand changes mid throw, two to one handed and one to two handed throws/catches, there's differences between same and opposite direction catches and of course, contact & whip catches.

*idea* Do we need a "catching the poi" thread?


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[Nx?]
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Posted:oh and dont forget multiplex poi, catching/thowing two in one hand, prolly the hardest has got to be double throw to one hand catch. *tips hat to poiboxII*

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DeepSoulSheep
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Posted:pio swapping opens up way more moves.

My favourite at the moment is forward butterfly, BTH butterfly throw right poi from BTH give left poi to right hand and catch poi with left hand BTB at right hip.

I also like outward low wave, throw right poi under left leg, swap left poi to right hand and catch with left hand under right leg or left hand BTB.

BTB weave throw with turn and catch is sweet as.

I have a jewelry net around to big marbles sewn into my ex cycling jacket poi. I don't think they're necessarily easier, just different (being counter weighted). It just afects the angle at which you release ad I had to relearn a lot.


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ImmortalAngel
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Posted:Random note, if you want to see some well executed throws, CoL2 under the name Bassman wink He had some cool throws in his indoor lighted segment...
I was watching CoL2 with my friend the other day and thought I'd bring it up to let you all know wink


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