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spiralx


spiralx

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Posted:There have been lots of talk of atoms recently, but none really about the difference between atoms (where the centre of rotation of each poi is the same point) and boxes (where the planes of each poi meet at a corner). Are there differences and if so, what are they? The two concepts seem pretty linked, but there certainly seems to be things which are different about them - atoms seem conceptually similar to buzzsaws whereas boxes seem closer to non-inverted moves when you look at where the centres of rotation are.

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TheWibbler
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Posted:perhaps atomic weave is a buzzsaw box weave???

Also becaues of the added planes in boxes you can have 2 poi in one plane, 1 poi on one face and one on an adjoining face, or on opposite faces (like regular weaves)

I've never seen people do atomic plane changes.

I do nothing atomic, only box so i dunno really.


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oli
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Posted:i think with atomic each poi stays in its plane (eg one in wall and one in wheel), so they allways at 90 degrees to each other, and with a box each poi switches planes (eg from wheel to wall) at the corners of the box... or thats how i understand it.

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arashi


arashi

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Posted:yup. "box" is a crossover overlay
"atomic" is a plane overlay
so mathematically you can put them together to get...

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[Nx?]
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Posted:poipoipois boxes are 90 degree plane changes, mine are just seperated atoms.

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Dut
SILVER Member since Mar 2002

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Posted:>>perhaps atomic weave is a buzzsaw box weave???

>>I've never seen people do atomic plane changes.



aren't atomic weaves technically just 90 degree plane changes, w/ forward or reverse character? what else do you mean by plane changes? corkscrew atomic -> wall plane atomic? maybe i need to see what you fully mean by box weaves. does that involve plane changing without turning from forward to reverse (or v/versa)?



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[Nx?]
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Posted:atomic weaves have no planes changes, thats what makes them hard, box weaves either mean transitioning planes 90 degrees instead of 180, or just doing atom weaves but seperated so the poi touch at the edge of the circles, rather than being meshed together with the same centre point for both planes (atoms).

An atom is just spinning with one poi at 90 degrees to the other. They are hugly vast (good language) cos the planes involved have 3 basic variations and lots more 'quarter positon' placements between them. and thats without looking at invert atoms either. ubbloco

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Richee
BRONZE Member since Jan 2002

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Posted:I see it this way:

Atom -

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Box:

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with 90 digree plane inclination.


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TheWibbler
GOLD Member since Apr 2003

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Posted:Atom -

oo
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Box:

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^^^erm

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UCOF
SILVER Member since Apr 2002

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Posted:Hello, my name is Dennis and I collect sausages.
I completly understand these Owl pictures and I can see that this is the OWL part of HOP.

If you see any OWLs, then please inform a member of this thread.

Owls are not arbitrarily deaf, dumb and blind.

They have an inbuilt sixth sense sonic radar detector thing implanted in thier heads that cause them to screetch majesticly in the night.


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[Nx?]
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Posted:thanks ucof, cos we really needed *more* off topic confusion in this thread.

Richee, I have absolutly no idea what you are on about.

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arashi

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Posted:nix i would propose to make a term difference btwn atoms that open up so the edges are touching instead of centers, and box weaves, but i didn't bring up the "box" term and don't know too much about how you define it... since atomics are a plane overlay the ones with edges touching to create boxlike shapes are just "opened up" atomics... whereas it seems box weaves are a crossover overlay very similar to trinity. (they are essentially the same but one is more drastic) And esp. since you could open up boxes and have what looked like atomics- you have to styay consistent with your math. do i understand your terms right?

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Lillie Frog


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Posted:I saw a sad owl and a happy owl.

However i did not see any atoms or atomics.

Can someone tell me what these are.

Oh, I know, do a durb!


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[Nx?]
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Posted:shure, ok from now on im gonna call them seperated atoms and 90 degree shifting box spinning.

the reason i called them boxes in the first place (some time ago now) was because I was into making square trails with circles, which isnt what box spinning does, but hey, we all change wink

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Dut
SILVER Member since Mar 2002

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Posted:haha. i understand the diagrams!! i'm assuming the spinner's facing down and those balls are his hands (instead of any of thousands of funnier options). he's saying in his world boxes are hands together, planes 90 degrees; atoms are hands apart, planes 90 degrees... sounds backwards, even assuming he wasn't comparing transitions to moves...

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spiralx


spiralx

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Posted:I'd agree that's backwards - atoms are hands together, boxes are hands apart.

With boxes you can do any normal wall/wheel plane move just by splitting the planes apart to 90 degrees because there's enough room to avoid colliding... don't think you can with atoms though.


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