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Posted:
A friend forwarded the following link on to me, and I thought I'd post it here for those of you who might not otherwise hear about it:
https://www.sfweekly.com/issues/2004-11-03/news/feature.html
A friend forwarded the following link on to me, and I thought I'd post it here for those of you who might not otherwise hear about it:
https://www.sfweekly.com/issues/2004-11-03/news/feature.html
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Posted:
'Yarr, thats replaved the whale in my niightmares!'
(and after seeing COL4, I'd have to admit that her poi style isn't going to be giving me any poigasms any time soon either
)
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She's even had what she calls "poigasms," in which she says her whole entire body vibrates with an overwhelming intensity.
'Yarr, thats replaved the whale in my niightmares!'
(and after seeing COL4, I'd have to admit that her poi style isn't going to be giving me any poigasms any time soon either
) YARR! Thats replaced the whale in my nightmares!
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Ok, have read the article now. And I must admit I felt a little confused. On the one hand, it is possible that the person writing the article misrepresented what was occurring, and presented an image of a highly neurotic woman with a strong interest in making money.
On the other hand, what if this is a true representation of what this person is about?
I could spend a lot of time analysing motivations. In all honestly I think the truth may be somewhere between the two.
However I think there is a more important point here:
Something like this was bound to happen sooner or later.
Firespinning is already an uneasy balance of artistry and commercialism. Many of us use firespinning to make a living, and we walk that line between being a professional and being exploitative all the time. I think it was a given that eventually someone would see firespinning in straight commodity terms.
I have talked in other places about "competitive yoga", a style of teaching yoga that developed about 5-8 years ago where the extent of the postures and stretches you did became a mark of how "good" you were. This allowed no place for the spiritual side of yoga, or for the recognition that yoga is not about perfection or completion, but about the journey.
For many of us firespinning is like a yoga journey. But we have to understand and accept that others out there are happier with the abridged version, the one that teaches the how, but not the why.
As the fads have rolled on through, those people who discovered in yoga more than just a way of stretching, have continued to do it. This is whether they learnt it in a gym, or in a commune
.
Hopefully some real innovators will come out in firespinning, despite having learnt in the equivalent of a gym class. They will go and discover more about firespinning, and poi, because they really love it for its own sake.
Sit back and watch the cycles of time. This will grow, and will fade. Poi is not ideal as a long lasting fad, as not enough has been written on the subject, and to be honest it is not the best weight loss program around And maybe we will all meet some wonderful people out of it.
Some of them may even be the Glittergirl's of this world, if they choose to investigate a world that is steeped in culture and tradition. If they choose not to, that is their right, and their loss.
And we will go on, happy with our informal gatherings. Like the people who have been going to milongas for years, watching all the fad types who have just started to learn Argentine Tango This is part of our social world, and a rising fad will not take it away.
Ok, have read the article now. And I must admit I felt a little confused. On the one hand, it is possible that the person writing the article misrepresented what was occurring, and presented an image of a highly neurotic woman with a strong interest in making money.
On the other hand, what if this is a true representation of what this person is about?
I could spend a lot of time analysing motivations. In all honestly I think the truth may be somewhere between the two.
However I think there is a more important point here:
Something like this was bound to happen sooner or later.
Firespinning is already an uneasy balance of artistry and commercialism. Many of us use firespinning to make a living, and we walk that line between being a professional and being exploitative all the time. I think it was a given that eventually someone would see firespinning in straight commodity terms.
I have talked in other places about "competitive yoga", a style of teaching yoga that developed about 5-8 years ago where the extent of the postures and stretches you did became a mark of how "good" you were. This allowed no place for the spiritual side of yoga, or for the recognition that yoga is not about perfection or completion, but about the journey.
For many of us firespinning is like a yoga journey. But we have to understand and accept that others out there are happier with the abridged version, the one that teaches the how, but not the why.
As the fads have rolled on through, those people who discovered in yoga more than just a way of stretching, have continued to do it. This is whether they learnt it in a gym, or in a commune
. Hopefully some real innovators will come out in firespinning, despite having learnt in the equivalent of a gym class. They will go and discover more about firespinning, and poi, because they really love it for its own sake.
Sit back and watch the cycles of time. This will grow, and will fade. Poi is not ideal as a long lasting fad, as not enough has been written on the subject, and to be honest it is not the best weight loss program around
And maybe we will all meet some wonderful people out of it.Some of them may even be the Glittergirl's of this world, if they choose to investigate a world that is steeped in culture and tradition. If they choose not to, that is their right, and their loss.
And we will go on, happy with our informal gatherings. Like the people who have been going to milongas for years, watching all the fad types who have just started to learn Argentine Tango
This is part of our social world, and a rising fad will not take it away. It was a day for screaming at inanimate objects.
What this calls for is a special mix of psychology and extreme violence...
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That's cos figure skating requires so much gymnastic ability.
I just always thought games shouldn't be in the olympics. It's not what it's about. Especially team sports. Which are soo totally not supposed to be there. It really annoys me.
Figure skating deserves to be there. Cos it's hard a) to do, and b) very hard to do well.
Gymnastics: Very hard to do at all, almost impossible to do well.
Tabletennis: yes I imagine it's hard to hit that tiny little ball to a small area very fast, but it's a baby version of tennis!
The olympics is just one big popularity contest for sports nowadays, and I think it's a bit pointless. (Ie the popular ones are olympic sports... older sports which are not so popular aren't.) I would have large disagreements with whoever decided to allow all these games in.
This post has lost any point to do with poi. I don't care. Why isn't juggling in the olympics?
That's cos figure skating requires so much gymnastic ability.
I just always thought games shouldn't be in the olympics. It's not what it's about. Especially team sports. Which are soo totally not supposed to be there. It really annoys me.
Figure skating deserves to be there. Cos it's hard a) to do, and b) very hard to do well.
Gymnastics: Very hard to do at all, almost impossible to do well.
Tabletennis: yes I imagine it's hard to hit that tiny little ball to a small area very fast, but it's a baby version of tennis!
The olympics is just one big popularity contest for sports nowadays, and I think it's a bit pointless. (Ie the popular ones are olympic sports... older sports which are not so popular aren't.) I would have large disagreements with whoever decided to allow all these games in.
This post has lost any point to do with poi. I don't care. Why isn't juggling in the olympics?
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its getting there...
wjf
Written by: mcp
Why isn't juggling in the olympics?
its getting there...
wjf
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sorry flash fire. It was either a off-topic post or a glitter-bashing post. Sometimes I feel that if I say things I'm thinking on HOP, that it would be nasty and moderated. So I don't.
My first post on this thread was what I thought would be limit of naughtiness I could get away with.
sorry flash fire. It was either a off-topic post or a glitter-bashing post. Sometimes I feel that if I say things I'm thinking on HOP, that it would be nasty and moderated. So I don't.
My first post on this thread was what I thought would be limit of naughtiness I could get away with.
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Posted:
im inclined to agree with mcp - glittergirl didnt particularly impress me in col4 - though she is much improved in col5 - but i still wasnt blown away. then again, theres always some brilliant vids, and some 'just good' vids - i was too friggin lazy to enter - so who am i to criticize?
i trust malcolm puts the best of what he gets on the vids, so will give her all due credit for that.
some of the things in the article were bullshit - but i know how a journalist has complete artistic freedom to bullshit all the way. ive had experience with this - theres no accoutability for exaggerating quotes, facts... the entire thing!
people having been bitching about 'poi being commercialised' every since a maori bro in the 18th century politely told Capt. Cook to f*ck off home to england before he was eaten.
if glittergirl wasnt up there with a headmic running group lessons - looking at exercise & fitness trends in the US - someone else would have done it instead.
smeg. too tired to continue any sort of constructive argument.
im inclined to agree with mcp - glittergirl didnt particularly impress me in col4 - though she is much improved in col5 - but i still wasnt blown away. then again, theres always some brilliant vids, and some 'just good' vids - i was too friggin lazy to enter - so who am i to criticize?
i trust malcolm puts the best of what he gets on the vids, so will give her all due credit for that.
some of the things in the article were bullshit - but i know how a journalist has complete artistic freedom to bullshit all the way. ive had experience with this - theres no accoutability for exaggerating quotes, facts... the entire thing!
people having been bitching about 'poi being commercialised' every since a maori bro in the 18th century politely told Capt. Cook to f*ck off home to england before he was eaten.
if glittergirl wasnt up there with a headmic running group lessons - looking at exercise & fitness trends in the US - someone else would have done it instead.
smeg. too tired to continue any sort of constructive argument.
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yeah, as dentrassi says, let's not overlook what the article's author may have twisted, either by accident or on purpose.
my father had to occasionally deal with the press, and it was the part of his job he hated the most. even back when the press was still considered to be objective, they still always seemed to willfully misconstrew what he said into something completely different and never flattering. My dad had a lot of patience in general, but the press wore thru that in seconds flat!
yeah, as dentrassi says, let's not overlook what the article's author may have twisted, either by accident or on purpose.
my father had to occasionally deal with the press, and it was the part of his job he hated the most. even back when the press was still considered to be objective, they still always seemed to willfully misconstrew what he said into something completely different and never flattering. My dad had a lot of patience in general, but the press wore thru that in seconds flat!
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the press is like 10's of thousands (perhaps a million as I have no comprehension of numbers especially big ones) of nails scratching tens of thousands of pocket sized chalkboards all over the world. Then they dump all the chalk board scratching into a considerably lower number of chalk board scratching machines.
the press is like 10's of thousands (perhaps a million as I have no comprehension of numbers especially big ones) of nails scratching tens of thousands of pocket sized chalkboards all over the world. Then they dump all the chalk board scratching into a considerably lower number of chalk board scratching machines.
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perhaps that is why I am going press deaf!
and now I have seen 4 glitter girl videos (from march 2004), and I agree with Flash Fire - GG is a good, but not great performer.
And she is not a significantly more sophisiticated spinner than Babajaga - who only started spinning a few 4 or 5 months ago (but who is, granted, an exceptionally fast learner and possesed of much innate physical talent) - despite the benifit of several more years experience.
if she (glitter girl) is top 5%, then I have had the remarkable privledge of meeting many 1%ers.
perhaps that is why I am going press deaf!and now I have seen 4 glitter girl videos (from march 2004), and I agree with Flash Fire - GG is a good, but not great performer.
And she is not a significantly more sophisiticated spinner than Babajaga - who only started spinning a few 4 or 5 months ago (but who is, granted, an exceptionally fast learner and possesed of much innate physical talent) - despite the benifit of several more years experience.
if she (glitter girl) is top 5%, then I have had the remarkable privledge of meeting many 1%ers.
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Lol, yeah surely the media deserve to be flamed... but don't tar all of us with the same brush!
There are alot of good writers out there... and if it wasn't for such people we would never know about what is happening in Iraq and behind the scenes of the American government - and the rest.
'Objective' is something that people claim to be and say the media should be - but how can you ask someone to detach themselves from who they are?! Everyone approaches life with a slant based on their personal experiences.
Giving a balanced argument, however, is an entirely different thing - and something that all reporters should aspire to - but is often left to fall by the wayside due to the pressures of time (and occasionally an unwillingness by 'the other side' to offer a response).
I believe the writer who wrote this report did their job based on the information he/she was obviously presented with. However, they should have done more research on poi, perhaps from this website or another source.
Lol, yeah surely the media deserve to be flamed... but don't tar all of us with the same brush!
There are alot of good writers out there... and if it wasn't for such people we would never know about what is happening in Iraq and behind the scenes of the American government - and the rest.
'Objective' is something that people claim to be and say the media should be - but how can you ask someone to detach themselves from who they are?! Everyone approaches life with a slant based on their personal experiences.
Giving a balanced argument, however, is an entirely different thing - and something that all reporters should aspire to - but is often left to fall by the wayside due to the pressures of time (and occasionally an unwillingness by 'the other side' to offer a response).
I believe the writer who wrote this report did their job based on the information he/she was obviously presented with. However, they should have done more research on poi, perhaps from this website or another source.
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but do we actually know what is happening in iraq? Ive read a fair bit of stuff, and im not convinced. all I know is it's to much like vietnam, which no one had any idea what was happening their untill it was to late, and, we probably still have little idea what happened their.
but do we actually know what is happening in iraq? Ive read a fair bit of stuff, and im not convinced. all I know is it's to much like vietnam, which no one had any idea what was happening their untill it was to late, and, we probably still have little idea what happened their.
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no we don't know exactly what's happening in iraq - but does anyone?
if yes, who exactly?
at least we get some information and better, we get it from a multitude of sources - without the media, we'd have to rely on 'government information' which would be even less objective than the media is.
and yeah, yeah, i know
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but do we actually know what is happening in iraq? Ive read a fair bit of stuff, and im not convinced. all I know is it's to much like vietnam, which no one had any idea what was happening their untill it was to late, and, we probably still have little idea what happened their.
no we don't know exactly what's happening in iraq - but does anyone?
if yes, who exactly?
at least we get some information and better, we get it from a multitude of sources - without the media, we'd have to rely on 'government information' which would be even less objective than the media is.
and yeah, yeah, i know
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Just a point on the whole "Poi for the Olympics" business.. NO!
It's such a non-competitive thing for me. One of the reasons I dislike every sport I'm yet to encounter is that they are about competition, which usually descends into machismo or bitchiness. I've encountered none of that in the world of poi, except where it's justified (which, having seen 2 GG vids, I believe it is, at least in relation to what's written in the article about her superiority to the majority of performers).
Poigasms are an interesting idea, but I wouldn't personally associate something that physically and mentally powerful, not to mention that intimate, with cash. And I don't believe her anyway, but that's just my opinion (she just seems to be showboating for this article in a lot of places).
Just a point on the whole "Poi for the Olympics" business.. NO!
It's such a non-competitive thing for me. One of the reasons I dislike every sport I'm yet to encounter is that they are about competition, which usually descends into machismo or bitchiness. I've encountered none of that in the world of poi, except where it's justified (which, having seen 2 GG vids, I believe it is, at least in relation to what's written in the article about her superiority to the majority of performers).
Poigasms are an interesting idea, but I wouldn't personally associate something that physically and mentally powerful, not to mention that intimate, with cash. And I don't believe her anyway, but that's just my opinion (she just seems to be showboating for this article in a lot of places).
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we took that topic over to [Old link]
sorry we didn't tell you...
we took that topic over to [Old link]
sorry we didn't tell you...
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D'oh! Oh well. I really should learn to pay more attention.
D'oh! Oh well. I really should learn to pay more attention.
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Cole... yep, that was my strictly off topic point
Cole... yep, that was my strictly off topic point
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if anyone wanted a more 'horses mouth' (pun only slightly intended) veiw of GG, go have a look on spherc, which is down, so you cant, but hey!
I belive the writer was in love....
Ive said enough on this subject, prolly the biggest gg-fan out there, but thats cos ive had post-to-post dealings with her.
I do think its intresting the percentage of negative and reactionary posts comming from this subject.....
T
if anyone wanted a more 'horses mouth' (pun only slightly intended) veiw of GG, go have a look on spherc, which is down, so you cant, but hey!
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I believe the writer who wrote this report did their job based on the information he/she was obviously presented with. However, they should have done more research on poi, perhaps from this website or another source.
I belive the writer was in love....
Ive said enough on this subject, prolly the biggest gg-fan out there, but thats cos ive had post-to-post dealings with her.
I do think its intresting the percentage of negative and reactionary posts comming from this subject.....
T
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she certainly does have the X factor though. those that have read the blue max will instantly click to this (i hope).
If not, the X factor im referring to is the hidden something that makes someone 'popular', for want of a better word. The exact reason my intro always ends up at the bottom of the pile :P
heck, this chick opens a shop, has an article written and gets on COL, and a couple other videos, and people have been talking about her for days.
If thats not evidence of the X factor, i dunno what is.
she certainly does have the X factor though. those that have read the blue max will instantly click to this (i hope).
If not, the X factor im referring to is the hidden something that makes someone 'popular', for want of a better word. The exact reason my intro always ends up at the bottom of the pile :P
heck, this chick opens a shop, has an article written and gets on COL, and a couple other videos, and people have been talking about her for days.
If thats not evidence of the X factor, i dunno what is.
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[quote written by dentrassi
]people having been bitching about 'poi being commercialised' every since a maori bro in the 18th century politely told Capt. Cook to f*ck off home to england before he was eaten.
so true
[quote written by dentrassi
]people having been bitching about 'poi being commercialised' every since a maori bro in the 18th century politely told Capt. Cook to f*ck off home to england before he was eaten.
so true TAJ "boat mummy." VALURA "yes sweetie you went on a boat, was daddy there with you?" TAJ "no, but monkey on boat" VALURA "well then sweetie, Daddy WAS there with you"
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I wonder if Glitter Girl has read this thread for herself yet. I know she's recently joined us here at HOP. Innnnnnteressssting...
I wonder if Glitter Girl has read this thread for herself yet. I know she's recently joined us here at HOP. Innnnnnteressssting...
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Posted:
Id like to hear her POV on the matter.
Id also like to point out that having watched her performance on COL5 I think she looks like shes practiced what she knows alot, and thats really good. I much prefer to see that than see poinewbies doing the most awful 'hardcore combos'.
If she was interested in critique, she would have posted in the COL forum asking for it. I dont think she is. Ive found that most 'professionals' arent interested in being told by cybernobodies how crap their twirling is.
Josh
Id like to hear her POV on the matter.
Id also like to point out that having watched her performance on COL5 I think she looks like shes practiced what she knows alot, and thats really good. I much prefer to see that than see poinewbies doing the most awful 'hardcore combos'.
If she was interested in critique, she would have posted in the COL forum asking for it. I dont think she is. Ive found that most 'professionals' arent interested in being told by cybernobodies how crap their twirling is.
Josh
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Posted:
oooh joshwa.
a lot of 'professionals' i've met have been of a very low technical and frequently dance quality.
the reason for this?
imo:
people get to a point where they say 'hey, i'm good enough to do this for a living' then stop learning cause something in their head tells them they know enough to be really good for ever.
so some of the people i know who have been fire performing for years either only know their routines well, or have been very lucky and have been wining it for years.
the best spinners are always the ones who are looking for new moves and dance techniques, and think they are just beginners.
edit: they are frequently the ones who post up 'can people please tell me what they thought of this video i did' cause thats one of the best ways to learn.
fortunately there are some objective people on this site who's response goes beyond 'wow you're amazing' and say 'that was very good. but you could do with a litlle work on move X or the way you move your body between y and z'.
a little critique-ing can only make you better if you want to get better.
off topic? maybe....
EDITED_BY: bluecat (1100169519)
oooh joshwa.
a lot of 'professionals' i've met have been of a very low technical and frequently dance quality.
the reason for this?
imo:
people get to a point where they say 'hey, i'm good enough to do this for a living' then stop learning cause something in their head tells them they know enough to be really good for ever.
so some of the people i know who have been fire performing for years either only know their routines well, or have been very lucky and have been wining it for years.
the best spinners are always the ones who are looking for new moves and dance techniques, and think they are just beginners.
edit: they are frequently the ones who post up 'can people please tell me what they thought of this video i did' cause thats one of the best ways to learn.
fortunately there are some objective people on this site who's response goes beyond 'wow you're amazing' and say 'that was very good. but you could do with a litlle work on move X or the way you move your body between y and z'.
a little critique-ing can only make you better if you want to get better.
off topic? maybe....
EDITED_BY: bluecat (1100169519)
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I do believe that the author of that article has actually taken Glittergirl's classes before...
I do believe that the author of that article has actually taken Glittergirl's classes before...
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Posted:
Lads,
I didn't make some random unjustified attack on GG (I tend not to do things like that)... I said I didn't approve of the things she said, her attitude towards poi and her contribution to the downfall of a perceived 'ethos' of the art (something I hold dear).
I take your point Dentrassi, and fully agree, we are all commercialising a Maori tradition, but most of the Maori people I have met enjoy the fact that something so strongly linked to their heritage has spread across the world, taking their story with it. However, I am also aware that many Maori people do not like pakeha making money from commercialised misrepresentations of their traditions.
Perhaps it is this that has annoyed me with GG, the total lack of respect and understanding of the culture that founded poi. We are all borrowing, with thanks, a tradition from a culture most of us have absolutley no connection with. We are not rubbing our greedy little hands together and seeing how best to make as much money as possible from it.
Also, all this concern for her well-being seems misplaced - because anyone who opens themselves so fully in such a public forum automatically leaves themselves open to criticism... if she wants celebrity, she's got it (though perhaps not the adoration she'd hoped for). And like any celebrity, once you've got fame (or infamy) you can't turn round and say 'oh don't talk about me'.
Take care
Lads,
I didn't make some random unjustified attack on GG (I tend not to do things like that)... I said I didn't approve of the things she said, her attitude towards poi and her contribution to the downfall of a perceived 'ethos' of the art (something I hold dear).
I take your point Dentrassi, and fully agree, we are all commercialising a Maori tradition, but most of the Maori people I have met enjoy the fact that something so strongly linked to their heritage has spread across the world, taking their story with it. However, I am also aware that many Maori people do not like pakeha making money from commercialised misrepresentations of their traditions.
Perhaps it is this that has annoyed me with GG, the total lack of respect and understanding of the culture that founded poi. We are all borrowing, with thanks, a tradition from a culture most of us have absolutley no connection with. We are not rubbing our greedy little hands together and seeing how best to make as much money as possible from it.
Also, all this concern for her well-being seems misplaced - because anyone who opens themselves so fully in such a public forum automatically leaves themselves open to criticism... if she wants celebrity, she's got it (though perhaps not the adoration she'd hoped for). And like any celebrity, once you've got fame (or infamy) you can't turn round and say 'oh don't talk about me'.
Take care
Getting to the other side
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Carpal \'Tunnel
3,899 posts
Location: Austin, Texas, USA
Carpal \'Tunnel
3,899 posts
Location: Austin, Texas, USA
Posted:
excellent point. making a public figure of yourself pretty much exempts you from protection against critique.
Written by: Firepoise
Also, all this concern for her well-being seems misplaced - because anyone who opens themselves so fully in such a public forum automatically leaves themselves open to criticism... if she wants celebrity, she's got it (though perhaps not the adoration she'd hoped for). And like any celebrity, once you've got fame (or infamy) you can't turn round and say 'oh don't talk about me'.
excellent point. making a public figure of yourself pretty much exempts you from protection against critique.
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Pooh-Bah
1,662 posts
Location: Bristol
1,662 posts
Location: Bristol
Posted:
i've only ever had one run in with her, and i was a conversation on spherculism about ownership of moves. This thread went on fo SO long, and she was convinced that she'd made this move up and was 'letting' everyone else use it!
of course she hadn't made it up at all (although she had discovered it for herself) but she didn't seem to be happ with having worked out the move without seeing anyone else do it - she seemed to want credit for having invented it, and from what she was saying i think she would have liked to copywrite it ir something...
very odd attitude to have...
i've only ever had one run in with her, and i was a conversation on spherculism about ownership of moves. This thread went on fo SO long, and she was convinced that she'd made this move up and was 'letting' everyone else use it!
of course she hadn't made it up at all (although she had discovered it for herself) but she didn't seem to be happ with having worked out the move without seeing anyone else do it - she seemed to want credit for having invented it, and from what she was saying i think she would have liked to copywrite it ir something...
very odd attitude to have...
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Pooh-Bah
1,626 posts
Location: Southampton, United Kingdom
Pooh-Bah
1,626 posts
Location: Southampton, United Kingdom
Posted:
?! the very idea of move ownership sounds, as the article seems to represent, that she is at odds with the majority of the community in her attitude towards the spinning.. mentality.
Although you say the thread was big, so obviously other people had points to make on it.
?! the very idea of move ownership sounds, as the article seems to represent, that she is at odds with the majority of the community in her attitude towards the spinning.. mentality.
Although you say the thread was big, so obviously other people had points to make on it.
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Returning to a unique state of Equilibrium
3,289 posts
Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Returning to a unique state of Equilibrium
3,289 posts
Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Posted:
Yeah that said dood - can you please post some crits of my clubs vid already? :P
Josh
Yeah that said dood - can you please post some crits of my clubs vid already?
:PJosh
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5,300 posts
Location: everywhere
5,300 posts
Location: everywhere
Posted:
yes. point me at them....
R
yes. point me at them....
R
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