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MalcolmSAPPHIRE Member
HOP admin
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Location: New Zealand


Posted:
Fire Test link

Its a bit of fun wink so have a go

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Burning Braineye shifter
321 posts
Location: between my headphones


Posted:
i got to the 4th question and gave up. ubbcrying

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MedusaSILVER Member
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Location: 8 days at Cloudbreak, 6 in Perth, Australia


Posted:
I got 7 questions wrong....so 19 correct...need to study more I think.

GnorBRONZE Member
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5,814 posts
Location: Perth, Australia


Posted:
Highlights my ignorance. Good stuff. Well done Malcolm and Lightning

One thing I couldnt find is what to have in a first aid kit/fire kit.

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ValuraSILVER Member
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6,391 posts
Location: Brisbane, Australia


Posted:
THAT IS SOOOO GOOD!!!!
hooray for safety!

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SpitFireGOLD Member
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2,723 posts
Location: Calgary, Alberta Canada


Posted:
Good suggestion, Gnor.

Another...though this might require a bit more work, but if someone gets something wrong, give an explination as to why the answer is wrong, and point out the correct answer.

It is definitely a great start!

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Psycho_lemmingSILVER Member
Running hippy spinning lemming
15 posts
Location: Scotland


Posted:
clap great idea! clap

lots i didnt know - eek!

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RovoGOLD Member
(the person actually known as Chris Bailey)
544 posts
Location: Austin, TX, USA


Posted:
Only three wrong thats better then I thought I would do. I'm glad I got that First Aid merit badge in Boy Scouts when I was 12. biggrin I hope everyone takes this quiz, it's such a good idea.

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gitaSILVER Member
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3,776 posts
Location: brizvegas, Australia


Posted:
i did quite well i think!! i didn't write down my score though...and the whole 'keep going back to the start' thing helped too!! biggrin

i should have known most of it though!! i only worked in petrol stations for over five years!! we had regular fire extinguisher training!! ubblol

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vanizeSILVER Member
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Location: Austin, Texas, USA


Posted:
I got 23 out of 26 correct. 2 of those I got wrong for being too cautious with really serious burns apparently (prefering to let medical professionals take chrge of them from the outset).

-v-

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vanizeSILVER Member
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Location: Austin, Texas, USA


Posted:
And as I suspected, the other one I got wrong, I actually got correct - the tip of the flame is NOT the hottest part!



near the outer edge of the flame near the middle is the hottest (not the middle interior, and not the middle outside edge, but somewhere inbetween, closer to the outside edge.



to see a plot, go here:

https://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/SD%20MethaneFlameTemp.gif



the tip does, however, have the most heat capacity (integrate over volume and temperature - ie, basically compare how much area is beneath each curve) and will therfore burn you faster - but it is not the "hottest" part in terms of temperature... for a monocromatic flame.



but it gets more complicated than that - and if you have a multi colored flame, then the higher frequency color part (blue or green) part will have much more energy and will be much hotter than than the lower frequency color part (yellow or red flame). you will note that blue flames are normally closer to the base. In this case, the combination of highest frequency flame (highest energy), highest heat capacity, and highest temperature will likely max out near the tip of the highest frequency color part of the flame on the flanks.



more in depth info here:

https://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mhotflame.html

EDITED_BY: vanize (1099650222)

-v-

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colemanSILVER Member
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7,330 posts
Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay, United Kingdom


Posted:
i thought the same thing as van there smile



whats the right answer to question number one - i tried all of them and none seem to be correct? wink



question 20, option d has a bit missing so it doesn't make sense.



tis a great idea and i certainly learnt a couple of things.

thanks to malcolm and lightning hug

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i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
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mechBRONZE Member
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Location: "In your ear", United Kingdom


Posted:
i got 15

so i need to go hit the books, most of the ones i got wrong were the burns ones,

i got one or two of the fire extinuisher ones wrong, and the familble clothing ones wrong

i really need to go do some revison

sorry guys

Step (el-nombrie)


UCOFSILVER Member
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Location: United Kingdom


Posted:
I got 19 correct smile

Some of the answers are wrong (in my personal opinion).

A burn should never be immersed in water. The best thing to fdo is to put the burn under running cold water, as this will cool down the area much more efficiently.

Oh and the first thing you should always do when it comes to burns, is put them straight under cold running water.

Such as in questions 20 and 21.

Im not so sure about the answer to 22. I put False... it says this is wrong. This may or may not be correct smile


Apart from that.

I gives it a jonny Ucof two thumbs up.

smile

mechBRONZE Member
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Location: "In your ear", United Kingdom


Posted:
well done ucof

i agree with you, i also say that anyburn should be taken with extreme care

does anyone know if covering the burn in an object such as cling film while going to hosiptalis a good idea, as its the oxygen that causes the burn to continue?

i hear this a while back, but surly its not the best ideA?

Step (el-nombrie)


UCOFSILVER Member
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15,414 posts
Location: United Kingdom


Posted:
Clingfilm is great for severed digits, or for putting the tip of your nose in, should that ever fall off.



Pack the severed member (....... umm) in the clingfilm, then place between frozen food.



Bags of peas are much better to use than 2 frozen battered cod fillets.



smile



(I might be talking utter crap about the first aid burns stuff, but I am Scout Leader and I went on a St. John Ambulance course a few years ago. So im just covering my ass incase anyone (such as Mr lightning as he is a doctor) comes in a proves me wrong)

colemanSILVER Member
big and good and broken
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Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay, United Kingdom


Posted:
Written by: Unsaturated Carpets Of Freedom


Some of the answers are wrong (in my personal opinion).

A burn should never be immersed in water. The best thing to fdo is to put the burn under running cold water, as this will cool down the area much more efficiently.

Oh and the first thing you should always do when it comes to burns, is put them straight under cold running water.

Such as in questions 20 and 21.





tut tut ucof.

running water has more chance of bursting a blister or breaking the skin.
and immersion cools an area far more efficiently than a stream would - especdially if it is a large area.

and questions 20 and 21 definitely have correct answers - if you use cold water on second or third degree burns, you increase the risk of shock.

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i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood


UCOFSILVER Member
Carpal \'Tunnel
15,414 posts
Location: United Kingdom


Posted:
umm

Written by: Cole

running water has more chance of bursting a blister or breaking the skin.




Not it you use a gentle stream, and direct it above the blister. When it hit your arm it will slow down. But you already knew this smile

Written by: Cole

and immersion cools an area far more efficiently than a stream would - especdially if it is a large area.





Fair point.

But in all the years of me knowing BASIC first aid (such as burns and cuts etc), I have never been told to immerse the burn in water. I have always been told, cold running water.

Then again, If the teacher is wrong,
Then so are the Students.....

UCOFSILVER Member
Carpal \'Tunnel
15,414 posts
Location: United Kingdom


Posted:
Or the Studnets for that matter.

smile

colemanSILVER Member
big and good and broken
7,330 posts
Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay, United Kingdom


Posted:
st john's used to tell people cold running water cos its easier to remember and to find in an emergency than a clean container and clean, cool water.

what is a studnet and what exactly do you plan on catching with it?

"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
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mcpPLATINUM Member
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5,276 posts
Location: Edin-borrow., United Kingdom


Posted:
I was told that on large burns (people keep confusing me with first, second, third and fourth definitions. 3 first aid courses and they always seem to change... Stuff like if you have a burn bigger that the size of your palm, it gets bumped up a class...) putting / running them under 'lukewarm' (though not actually that warm) then cold water would be better? As the change in temperature for the burn would be smoother. I don't think I would actually do this, since burns cause deep heating of the tissue and the running under cold water for ten minutes business is usually to combat this deep heat.

Cling film is so that the burn is kept free from infection. (They use it on large tattoos are well... Not that I have any of those... wink )

What I would really like to see at the end of the quiz, is explainations of your wrong answers and a printable info sheet about burns, what to do in case of a burn, what to have in a first aid kit, fire performance safety, inflammable / nonflammable definations as well as flame resistant. Flame retardents and making clothing flame retardent... Maybe there's one already... I will go check...

Godd work though...

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mechBRONZE Member
Carpal \'Tunnel
6,207 posts
Location: "In your ear", United Kingdom


Posted:
i second that

some feedback, on what would be good to carry as an emergancy kit would be really good

in my kit

i carry
- fire blanket
-plasters for cuts
-dressing
-tape
-water
-gloves

and a couple of other things

Step (el-nombrie)


Hanzveteran
1,328 posts
Location: Bendigo, Vic, Australia


Posted:
I got 5 wrong... which isnt too bad...

But yes, I agree that there should be real answers to questions, and explanations as to why the answers are the answers.

mcp even if you put cold water with a slight hint of warm, wouldnt you really feel the warm as the burn would make the heat more intense? or am I thinking of something else?

UCOFSILVER Member
Carpal \'Tunnel
15,414 posts
Location: United Kingdom


Posted:
Condoms should always be in first aid kits.



They are so useful!



Even more!

mechBRONZE Member
Carpal \'Tunnel
6,207 posts
Location: "In your ear", United Kingdom


Posted:
hence what are the other couple of things in my kit

a single condm can carry 2 pints of water (or ltrs i cant never remember which)

they also can be used as sterile bags

Step (el-nombrie)


The Real Fryed FishGod's illgitament son
1,489 posts
Location: state of confusion


Posted:
took me 2 times but i got all of them correct, the first time i only missed 6..........

You can't avoid pain by fencing yourself from it.
Some times you need the help of others more than anything else
But you have to let them close enough to help......
People want to be needed, I found that out too


UCOFSILVER Member
Carpal \'Tunnel
15,414 posts
Location: United Kingdom


Posted:
Well done.

Have a biscuit.

smile

Pink...?BRONZE Member
Mistress of Pink...Multicoloured
6,140 posts
Location: Over There, United Kingdom


Posted:
First time i got 5 wrong, and mainly classifying the burns bit!

Second time round all correct ubbangel

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SkulduggeryGOLD Member
Pirate Pixie Crew Captain
8,428 posts
Location: Wales


Posted:
I got 2 wrong and both were about Fire extinguishers. Oops better go and read up on them!

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...{SAFE}..."if i jump in the fire, will you?"
633 posts
Location: USA, wishing I was in SA


Posted:
they should have physical tests , like ...

how fast can you stop drop and roll?
how far can you throw a blanket?
can you pick up and throw 50liters of water?
how well you can tackel someone?

and deffinately

how fast can you dial 911?

ubblol

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MatchInnuendo Officer Extraordinaire
105 posts
Location: Edinburgh, Scotland


Posted:
Written by: mech


hence what are the other couple of things in my kit

a single condm can carry 2 pints of water (or ltrs i cant never remember which)

they also can be used as sterile bags




What they always fail to say is Don't use lubricated ones! It is a severe hassle trying to hold onto something designed to, er, well, you know (this is a family site, after all! biggrin ) and the flavour is, well (oh, I'll just stop now ubblol)

YARR! Thats replaced the whale in my nightmares!


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