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NYC
NYC

NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Member Since: 26th Aug 2001
Total posts: 9232
Posted:Election day in the US.

7 days.

Like it or not.

Storm's a comin'. Get ready for a lawsuit filled election won by Mr. Bush. Hey, don't blame me, most of you all aren't voting against him.

That's my prediction, you heard it here first.


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Spanner
Spanner

remembers when it was all fields round here
Location: in the works... somewhere...
Member Since: 27th Feb 2003
Total posts: 2790
Posted:eek

"I thought you are man, but
you are nice woman.

yay,

:R"

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OrangeBobo
OrangeBobo

veteran
Location: Guelph, ON, Canada
Member Since: 21st Nov 2003
Total posts: 1389
Posted:*plays Jepardy music in her head*

~ Bobo


wie weit, wie weit noch?
fragst mich, wo wir gewesen sind...
du fehlst hier

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Faberg
veteran
Location: Dublin, Ireland
Member Since: 26th Aug 2003
Total posts: 1459
Posted:Written by: Josh


frown

WTF is wrong with people!?

Josh



interesting little article


My mind not only wanders, it sometimes leaves completely smile

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ado-p
ado-p

Pirate Ninja
Location: Galway/Ireland
Member Since: 13th May 2004
Total posts: 3882
Posted:Was the world always this crazy

or are we seeing something new.

a sign of things to come.

im disdurbed

where do you search for better options and realistic solutions.

does anyone have the answer.


Love is the law.

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_Clare_
_Clare_

Still wiggling
Location: Belfast
Member Since: 22nd Oct 2002
Total posts: 5967
Posted:It's fair to say I feel devastated right now

Getting to the other side smile

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spritie
spritie

Pooh-Bah
Location: Galveston, TX
Member Since: 9th Sep 2001
Total posts: 2014
Posted:At least you aren't in the states and stuck living with this muck for another 4 years....

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Faberg
veteran
Location: Dublin, Ireland
Member Since: 26th Aug 2003
Total posts: 1459
Posted:no, we can just watch him inflict this muck on the innocent for another 4 years...

dunno which is worse frown

on a different note, this may pave the way for the very first female president of the USA.....


My mind not only wanders, it sometimes leaves completely smile

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SpitFire
Mand's Girl....and The Not So Shy One
Location: Calgary, Alberta Canada
Member Since: 2nd Dec 2002
Total posts: 2723
Posted:I reallllly need to get out of this country, and take Mand with me.

Not only did the people of the US re-elect a liar (all the evidence is out there), but 11 states voted to ban same sex marriage, and many of those are also banning civil unions.....how can people NOT see the inequity in that?

I am a second class citizen in my own country. I don't have the same rights and privileges most heterosexual people have or have access to...and people in those 11 states figure I shouldn't have the same rights as they do.

Too bad this couldn't have been a world wide election. Kerry would have won by a landslide....unfortunately, it seems the majority of people in this country of mine are lemmings who don't think for themselves, and tend to ignore the evidence.

The GOP nearly hung Clinton for lying about his relationship with Lewinsky, but no one has hung bush on his and his party's lie about their "public" reasons for going to war in IRAQ.

To those of you who aren't from this country, don't judge all of us by the number of lemmings we have in this country. Many of us did NOT vote for Bush either election.


Solitude sometimes speaks to you, and you should listen.

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OrangeBobo
OrangeBobo

veteran
Location: Guelph, ON, Canada
Member Since: 21st Nov 2003
Total posts: 1389
Posted:I heard on the radio (translated by my sis) that Bush was already celebrating (or something similar) as he feels that he has one.

Sick.

There are so many people wishing Bush not to go back into office, and if he does, there will be a lot of anger towards the states, I'm thinking...

Completely agreeing with Vanize... sigh...

~ Bobo


wie weit, wie weit noch?
fragst mich, wo wir gewesen sind...
du fehlst hier

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nearly_all_gone
nearly_all_gone

Pooh-Bah
Location: Southampton
Member Since: 3rd Aug 2004
Total posts: 1626
Posted:Written by: SpitFire

The GOP nearly hung Clinton for lying about his relationship with Lewinsky, but no one has hung bush on his and his party's lie about their "public" reasons for going to war in IRAQ.




[censored] good point


What a wonderful miracle if only we could look through each other's eyes for an instant.
Thoreau

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OrangeBobo
OrangeBobo

veteran
Location: Guelph, ON, Canada
Member Since: 21st Nov 2003
Total posts: 1389
Posted:Written by: nearly_all_gone

Written by: SpitFire

The GOP nearly hung Clinton for lying about his relationship with Lewinsky, but no one has hung bush on his and his party's lie about their "public" reasons for going to war in IRAQ.




censored good point



Also, with the actual systems they have in place, isn't it possible for the President to be taken out of office if deemed unsuitable? Thenagain, all of the politicians at that level must be spun into his webs... I just can't image, with this 'flawless' system they claimed they made 200 years ago (or something like that) could become what it is now...

Forgive me if I have something wrong... I don't know completely how politics are in the US, I think I have a good idea, but if the above statement is wrong, please tell me! This is only my understanding...

And Spitfire... go to Canada biggrin

~ Bobo


wie weit, wie weit noch?
fragst mich, wo wir gewesen sind...
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SpitFire
Mand's Girl....and The Not So Shy One
Location: Calgary, Alberta Canada
Member Since: 2nd Dec 2002
Total posts: 2723
Posted:The president can be impeached, but it's highly unlikely to happen since the same party controls the Congress and the Senate.

Given the results, one might get the picture that Americans think it's ok to lie about things that REALLY count, but not ok about things that have very little effect on the rest of the nation.


Solitude sometimes speaks to you, and you should listen.

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NYC
NYC

NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Member Since: 26th Aug 2001
Total posts: 9232
Posted:I know this will bring about much American hate. And I'm sure that most of that hate is rightfully placed.

I can say that this election truely divided the country. For those abroad, keep in mind that 48 million people voted against Bush, that's larger than the entire population of England. That means there is an entire country's worth of people here that have spoken out, protested, and voted against the current leadership. Unfortunately, there seems to be a marginally larger group of people that prefered Bush.

I know that New York and California, the only two places I've ever called 'home' in my life voted overwhelmingly for Kerry. And New York elected a Democratic Govorner by the highest margin of victory in state history.

Bring on the Hate. But it's not all of our faults. There are some consiterable islands of liberalism here. And we're very upset.


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Doc Lightning
Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Member Since: 28th May 2001
Total posts: 13920
Posted:The problem, NYC is that in neither election did Bush have anything even remotely resembling a mandate. But the GOP has control now of all three branches of government.

Predictions I am making:
* A draft within two years (Hey, teenagers and early 20's folk...start looking into Canada!)
* Specific excusion of sexual orientation from federal anti-discrimination laws
* Strict limitations on abortion, if not outright reversal of Roe v. Wade
* A ten-figure national debt
* A minimum 10% increase in unemployment
* A minimum 10% increase in medical uninsured
* Mean per-gallon gas prices of $2.50
* A minimum 10% increase in new cases of HIV

Doesn't matter if he "almost" lost. Fact is he won. Close counts only in horseshoes and hand grenades.

The Founding Fathers warned against a "tyrrany of the majority," but that seems to be exactly what we have on our hands.


-Mike )'(
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella

"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura

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babajaga
babajaga

old hand
Location: Berlin, Germany
Member Since: 25th Aug 2004
Total posts: 863
Posted:that must be so frustrating frown

What is psychology?- Looking for a black cat in a dark room. What is psychoanalysis? Psychoanalysis is looking for a black cat in a dark room -- in which there is no cat -- but finding one anyway.

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Dom
Dom

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Bristol, UK
Member Since: 19th Dec 2001
Total posts: 3009
Posted:What is living in the US going to be like now - you're divided and a very smug looking Bush is not the person to bring you all together. Many Republicans will be gloating on this for years to come - many seem to get great satisfaction from the defeat of the intelligentsia. Yes I'm arrogant to think I know better than most Bush supporters, but I'm right wink

I'm tempted to think that at least Bush gets to deal with his own mess and really screw things up so next election Hillary can get elected, but I believe that his team can turn round anything to look good for Bush. Like the article said, a lot of people truly believe Saddam was connected to 9/11 and that the US can be invaded by a horde of fanatical Muslims at any moment. After all John Kerry just isn't doing enough about the monsters hiding under my bed! Bush turned his minority into a majority (the first time in a long while) and will now triumphantly declare that he's been elected by more people that any president ever, so can claim the right to more power than before.

Oh, and there's about 59/60 million in the UK - about 49 million eligable to vote. A lot of those will happily buy Bush's sugar coated lies as well.


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Xopher (aka Mr. Clean)
enthusiast
Location: Hoboken, New Jersey, USA
Member Since: 8th Jun 2004
Total posts: 456
Posted:New York elected a Democratic governor? Not this year.

I may have to leave this country, too. I want to make sure I get out before Ann Coulter leads a squadron of jackbooted thugs down the street to pull me from my house and beat me to death.

Think it can't happen here? Neither did German Jews in 1938.

My beloved country is sliding toward fascism. Get ready, world. :-(


"If you didn't like something the first time, the cud won't be any good either." --Elsie the Cow, Ruminations

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NYC
NYC

NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Member Since: 26th Aug 2001
Total posts: 9232
Posted:Written by: ...Lightning...

Predictions I am making:
* A draft within two years (Hey, teenagers and early 20's folk...start looking into Canada!)
* Specific excusion of sexual orientation from federal anti-discrimination laws
* Strict limitations on abortion, if not outright reversal of Roe v. Wade
* A ten-figure national debt
* A minimum 10% increase in unemployment
* A minimum 10% increase in medical uninsured
* Mean per-gallon gas prices of $2.50
* A minimum 10% increase in new cases of HIV




Yay! Striaght middle class, middle aged, white men win again! ubbangel

I don't think there will be a draft. The rest are actually conservative estimates.

I do think that there will be some more organized and determined resistances within urban areas. There are some pissed off Americans out there. My city is currently between denial and mourning but will lean towards the latter as the days move on.

As the Bush/GOP machine moves on I'm sure his approval ratings will bounce back up. Next stop. Guliani! You heard it here first!


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Durbs
Durbs

Classically British
Location: Epsom, Surrey, England
Member Since: 23rd Sep 2001
Total posts: 5688
Posted:Can I just jump in and ask what GOP is?

Burner of Toast
Spinner of poi
Slacker of enormous magnitude

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SpitFire
Mand's Girl....and The Not So Shy One
Location: Calgary, Alberta Canada
Member Since: 2nd Dec 2002
Total posts: 2723
Posted:Unfortunately, Canada won't be an option it once was for folks who want to dodge the draft.

Personally? I'm moving North of the border as soon as I either get a job, or residency.

Whichever comes first.


Solitude sometimes speaks to you, and you should listen.

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The Real Fryed Fish
God's illgitament son
Location: state of confusion
Member Since: 2nd Jun 2004
Total posts: 1489
Posted:GOP stands for Grand Old Party sense the republicans are the oldest political party in the USA

You can't avoid pain by fencing yourself from it.
Some times you need the help of others more than anything else
But you have to let them close enough to help......
People want to be needed, I found that out too

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Xopher (aka Mr. Clean)
enthusiast
Location: Hoboken, New Jersey, USA
Member Since: 8th Jun 2004
Total posts: 456
Posted:SpitFire is right. They have a treaty with Canada now.

I understand Montreal is lovely. And I loved Toronto when I was there, except that they won't let you jaywalk -- a precious freedom to a New Yorker.


"If you didn't like something the first time, the cud won't be any good either." --Elsie the Cow, Ruminations

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Dio
Dio

HoP Mechanical Engineer
Location: OK, USA
Member Since: 11th Jul 2002
Total posts: 729
Posted:Written by: Durbs

Can I just jump in and ask what GOP is?



GOP = "Grand Old Party," the formal name given to the Republican Party when it was back in its early days.

President Bush, like him or hate him, is going to be with America for 4 more years, and there's no question he won. In fact, he won the single highest popular vote in history, surpassing Reagan in 1984. Kerry ranks 3rd in the numbers too, so I'd say this election in general has probably had the largest turnout in history (good!). Here's the breakdown:

#1) 94% of Precincts Reporting George W. Bush 56,317,896 votes

#2) Reagan got 54,455,075 in 1984, the previous record.

#3) 95% of Precints Reporting John Kerry 53,004,905 votes

So this time we had a total voter turnout of more than 110 Million US voters. I'd say that's pretty significant. And I see this result as a good thing, but let me explain why.

For the last 4 years, our country has been ripped in half, literally into the Red and Blue groups, and a major reason for this is the contested 2000 election and the Florida debacle. For four years we've heard nothing but challenges to President Bush's legitimacy as a leader, and it's polarized the country into a situation where one side will do things just to spite the other. This election was much more decisive, and I think we're going to see a healing in the future of the rift between the liberal and conservative halves of the country. Democrats at this point have nothing to offer but grudging acceptance of President Bush's legitimacy, rather than indignant denial, and I think we're going to see some loosening up on both sides as they learn to get along again. Kerry's concession phone call this morning was quoted as saying "America is too divided," and I think they hit it right on the head. Kerry did the most honorable thing he could at that moment, and it shows he was really thinking about America. Pundits are already talking about unifying "both sides of the aisle" (Dems & Reps) and I'm hopeful that will happen. hug

Unfortunately I was ineligible to vote because my registration got sent in too late (stupid MTV's Rock The Vote told me the wrong election board address), I know there were a lot of issues I had strong feelings about. I didn't have a pick for President but there were several local issues I wanted to get passed (allowing gay marriage, creating a state lottery, and others) that I'm kinda upset about, but I think where I am (conservative Oklahoma) sort of overshadows my personal opinions anyway. soapbox

I predict our next election will be a big one too... Rudy Guiliani vs Hilary Rodham Clinton in 2008. juggle


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Zyanya Bella
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Member Since: 16th Sep 2003
Total posts: 70
Posted:*shudders at thought of choosing between Hillary and Rudy*

Always Beautiful

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Narr
Narr

(*) (*) .. for the gnor ;)
Location: sitting on the step
Member Since: 15th Apr 2003
Total posts: 2568
Posted:i am flabber gasted! i really dont know what to say ... but why?!! what on earth would make people vote for him?? are the majority of america really that blind to what he has done? the bridges he has burned with other countries. Those living outside the states know how powerful the US is in the world? do those who voted bush not realise or appreicate the same? Do they realise its not just about the United States?

The man is an idiot!! a puppet for the meglomanics (or maniacs i cant quite decide) that work behind the scenes.

Can anyone point out something postive that he has done? i am really curious. honestly i really am. (none of that was a sarcastic question, i really truely want to know)

watching the news aparently the trump card for bush was his moral values ( clinching the huge christian community in the states). there was also an guy saying that the europeans etc need to understand bush more and what he stanmds for in the states. I personally would, is there someone on here that can explain it to me without it sounding like a serious amount of $hite ..


all i can see is america going backwards, and bush will continue to cause embarassment and shame on the US, oh and lots more hatred toward the states all of which will take years to undo.


she who sees from up high smiles

Patrick badger king: *they better hope there's never a jihad on stupidity*

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Zyanya Bella
member

Member Since: 16th Sep 2003
Total posts: 70
Posted:All we can do now is hope that whatever happens over the next four years can be undone and that no irreversable harm is caused.

Always Beautiful

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flid
flid

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Warwickshire
Member Since: 27th Aug 2002
Total posts: 3136
Posted:Written by:
keep in mind that 48 million people voted against Bush, that's larger than the entire population of England



actually the population is 49138831 tongue


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Dom
Dom

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Bristol, UK
Member Since: 19th Dec 2001
Total posts: 3009
Posted:Dio, I don't think the split will heal as you think it will. 1) If Bush hadn't stolen the election in 200 he wouldn't have been voted back in now. 2) The US government's policy is still pro rich people, anti muslim, anti environment, anti stability and anti reason.
You can't expect people to love thier president just because he's thier president. Many people do, but they're the ones who believe fairy tales.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist but... wink
Written by:

One thing that is very strange is how much the exit polls differed from the final results, especially in Ohio. Remember that Ohio uses Diebold voting machines in many areas. These machines have no paper trail. Early in the campaign, Diebold CEO Walden O'Dell, a GOP fundraiser, promised to deliver Ohio to Bush. He later regretted having said that.




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Dio
Dio

HoP Mechanical Engineer
Location: OK, USA
Member Since: 11th Jul 2002
Total posts: 729
Posted:Written by: Dom
I'm not a conspiracy theorist but... wink
</font><blockquote><font class="small">Written by:</font><hr />

One thing that is very strange is how much the exit polls differed from the final results, especially in Ohio. Remember that Ohio uses Diebold voting machines in many areas. These machines have no paper trail. Early in the campaign, Diebold CEO Walden O'Dell, a GOP fundraiser, promised to deliver Ohio to Bush. He later regretted having said that.






Dom, mind PMing me a link to the site with that information? Google's not showing me much love today hunting for election errata.

Here are a couple of news items that deal with the situation:

First is the original controversy regarding the Diebold stuff.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0828-08.htm
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Following that, 3 months later there was an independent investigation done by two companies on the voting machines' security and reliability, and changes were implemented to account for the findings.
http://www.diebold.com/dieboldes/ohio.htm
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If Bush hadn't stolen the election in 200 he wouldn't have been voted back in now.



You know, my first engineering internship I basically got because my mom worked for the company. They asked me back for the 3 following summers and a winter - sure, I rode in on something other than personal merit, but they kept me around because I was doing a great job and they felt that I was the right person to fill the position. I was even offered a job upon graduation from Uni. Am I a crappy engineer just because my mommy got me the job? Or am I a good engineer who's proven himself to the people who decide my employment status?

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You can't expect people to love thier president just because he's thier president. Many people do, but they're the ones who believe fairy tales.




Well, at least 58 million Americans like him for some reason or another. And the other (less than) half, I'm just hoping will a) be gracious enough to accept him, and b) at the same time I hope the winning party will stop seeing it as an us-vs-them situation now that there's less to fight over and begin to listen to what the Dems have to say.

Bear in mind, the Senate and House both have overwhelming control by Republicans now as well - and Tom Daschle (Senate minority leader) was booted out by his state's voters, which is something that hasn't happened in over half a century. Like it or not, it seems like the American public has made a decision all across the board on how we would like our country to represent itself.

Honestly, do you think Kerry would do a better job in the office, or is it an "anyone other than Bush" situation? Internationally, Kerry is favored, but you have to remember the President is also in control of a lot of domestic issues that mean just as much to the people here, and they factor that in when voting as well.

On a side note: California approved a $3 Billion policy to state-fund stem cell research, despite Bush's prohibition on federal funding. I think that serves as an example of how the states can act as a counterbalance to the national government, and also goes to show if the President does something people don't agree with, they can have their voices heard and acted upon.


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Doc Lightning
Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Member Since: 28th May 2001
Total posts: 13920
Posted:Well, here's my challenge if there is a draft:

Tell 'em you're gay. Even if you aren't. THAT will get their wheels turning... wink


-Mike )'(
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella

"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura

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