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NYC
NYC

NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Member Since: 26th Aug 2001
Total posts: 9232
Posted:Election day in the US.

7 days.

Like it or not.

Storm's a comin'. Get ready for a lawsuit filled election won by Mr. Bush. Hey, don't blame me, most of you all aren't voting against him.

That's my prediction, you heard it here first.


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boomer235
stranger
Location: Arizona
Member Since: 27th May 2004
Total posts: 12
Posted:A sad day..
After another 4 years of this train wreck the deluded masses will have no one to blame but themselves. My only fear is that the damage will be irreversible by the time people realize what just happened.

In his acceptance introduction speech V.P. Cheney described the "Mandate" the people of this country have given the president. If they think that we will all sit back and let them destroy our liberties without a fuss they have another thing coming. I hope it never comes to violence before the American people wake up and create an alternative to this Republican/Democrat charade.
Peace all... Im not sure how much fire Im gonna have to spin to work this out ;-)



weavesmiley Spin cause ya' gotta!!

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Mistress Aurora
Mistress Aurora

Hot Schtuff
Location: Stillwater,OK/Wichita Falls,TX
Member Since: 19th Jan 2003
Total posts: 1032
Posted:There are quite a few Americans not happy with some of Bush's decisions, but alot of Americans think he would make for a better president than John Kerry...I agree ubbrollsmile

I agree with Dio when he says that people weighed their vote on not only international issues, but also domestic issues here at home.

My roomie who is from India agreed with me when I said this:
"It is better to have an evil you know, then have an evil you don't know".

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NYC
NYC

NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Member Since: 26th Aug 2001
Total posts: 9232
Posted:Written by: ...Lightning...

Well, here's my challenge if there is a draft:

Tell 'em you're gay. Even if you aren't. THAT will get their wheels turning... wink



OK. Here's my promise. If I ever get drafted, I'm sleeping with Lightning to get out of it. Sorry Mol... but I ain't goin' to Iraq. biggrin

Heck, I think we should ALL have a "Big Gay Get Out Of Iraq Free" party for anyone who gets drafted. I'll bring some whipped cream and a digital camera.


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Astar
member
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada.
Member Since: 8th Nov 2002
Total posts: 1591
Posted:I fail to see what is good about a unified america.

I think the most horrible things in american history came from unity. The patriot act, the mcarthy trials, the witch hunts, concentration camps for asians in ww2. Canada's worst moments happened with a unified, scared, reactionist population aswell.

I think america will be united soon enough. So will everyone who doesn't like america. All it takes is a handful of people to walk into malls and start spraying bullets and america will be very united. Canada will probably back them, especially if we are attacked (which I think we most certainly will be, as we are nothing more then americas puppet)

the UK will change their position pretty dramaticly when people start dieing there, so will all the western world powers. Bush is pressureing japan to drop the article in their constitution that prohibits them from forming a proper offensive army and using it in an offensive manner.

Their is more then enough oil in the world for the world to operate, but not with it's current unstopabble momentum towards decadent consumerism. China is slowly evolveing into more and more of a 1st world nation, consumeing more and more resources. Oil can only be pumped so fast. Fresh water can only reach so many people. Things will get desperate. If you thought 9/11 had a disgusting and dramatic effect on people world wide, it's only the start.

9/11 has proven you can convince intelligent logical people to do stupid, illogical things. 1984 is a scary book and the more I look around the more it's becomeing a reality. The next generation of reactionist policy makeing is going ot be backed by a united people as much as the last generation. The patriot act is just a sample of things to come.

The greatest area of research in the US military isn't makeing better, more sophisticated weapons, it's makeing cheaper, more economical weapons. Future missle technology will be increadibly simple and economic, with valveless jet engines that people can build with crude tools and materials without a great deal of understanding or skill. There is a guy in new zealand who is makeing some of the most outstanding examples of this technology. As of now anyone who wants to look on his website can easily build weapons greater then saddams scud's at a far cheaper cost.

So far the only thing that really makes people not like the war in iraq is the cost and the loss of coalition soldiers lives.

The cost will be reduced, and people will cease to care about soldiers lives when they are made to believe it is a justifible sacrifice to save their own lives or the lives of those they care about.


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Doc Lightning
Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Member Since: 28th May 2001
Total posts: 13920
Posted:I get to sleep with NYC? *wagging tail*

OHBOYOHBOYOHBOYOHBOYOHBOYOHBOY!!!!

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-Mike )'(
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella

"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura

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Dio
Dio

HoP Mechanical Engineer
Location: OK, USA
Member Since: 11th Jul 2002
Total posts: 729
Posted:Written by: ...Lightning...

I get to sleep with NYC? *wagging tail*

OHBOYOHBOYOHBOYOHBOYOHBOYOHBOY!!!!

wink



Can Dio come? Tiffy gave me the hall pass. biggrin


What hits the fan is not evenly distributed.

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Astar
member
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada.
Member Since: 8th Nov 2002
Total posts: 1591
Posted:also lightning on your list of predictions you forgot a rebirth of the death penalty

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Dr_Molly
Dr_Molly

Pooh-Bah
Location: Away from home
Member Since: 4th May 2004
Total posts: 2354
Posted:Written by: ...Lightning...

I get to sleep with NYC? *wagging tail*

OHBOYOHBOYOHBOYOHBOYOHBOYOHBOY!!!!

wink



umm Down boy.

He's mine ubblove


As to the politics - I find the most disturbing thing about Bush's reelection the article (that Faberge posted a link to) claiming that most people who voted for him believe that many of his policies and actions are quite the opposite to reality.
Are these people in denial?
Have they been brainwashed in some sinister B-movie scenario?
Are they happy to form a decision on who becomes president based on rumour and supposition?
I wonder how they will react if they are ever disillusioned of their misconceptions.

The other sentiment that distresses me is the one that holds Bush up for praise precisely because of his stupidity.
The fact that he is a twit of the highest order seems to endear him to people by making them feel like he is 'one of them'.
Frankly, I would like the person running my country to be honest, intelligent and articulate. I would think these would be far more desirable traits than electing someone that you thought you could have a natter down the pub with.

Bush is barely able to string together a coherent sentence, even with a team of word-smiths in his ear.
Blair is barely any better.

Minor rant over.
Sorry if it is a bit incoherent - I haven't had any tea yet.


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Dom
Dom

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Bristol, UK
Member Since: 19th Dec 2001
Total posts: 3009
Posted:Written by:

Bush is barely able to string together a coherent sentence, even with a team of word-smiths in his ear.
Blair is barely any better.



The thing is, that's not true. He's not speaking to you, his words are perfect for his target audience and he's got really good speach writers. Usually a politician has to go down the middle to keep everyone happy. Bush and the neo cons played it the other way - they aimed at the far right knowing that once they captured thier vote with a few issues like the evils of gays, communists, terrorist and abortionists and they'd have an ultra loyal group of supporters they just had to get to the ballots.


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Dentrassi
Dentrassi

ZORT!
Location: Brisbane
Member Since: 9th Apr 2003
Total posts: 3044
Posted:which makes it far funnier that he still comes across as such a stupid person - when even your speechwriters and autocues cant stop you from making an idiot of yourself!

"Here kitty kitty...." - Schroedinger.

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NYC
NYC

NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Member Since: 26th Aug 2001
Total posts: 9232
Posted:Luckily, I'm already spoken for but maybe the rest of the Americans could use this Canadian site to save themselves.

http://www.marryanamerican.ca/


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Xopher (aka Mr. Clean)
enthusiast
Location: Hoboken, New Jersey, USA
Member Since: 8th Jun 2004
Total posts: 456
Posted:NYC, I'll be your emergency backup in case Lightning can't get to town fast enough. And I'd be happy to act as Coach for the party...

But seriously, being gay ONLY keeps you out of the army if you want to be in. Some people tried that right before Iraq, and were told they'd serve their tour there and THEN be dishonorably discharged.

Bush gets things as right as he does because of the signal box on his back. He still gets some wrong because he's not so good at repeating words in the right order. Also because mangling the English language is "part of his charm," which shows how stupid and anti-intellectual his supporters are, pace any here.


"If you didn't like something the first time, the cud won't be any good either." --Elsie the Cow, Ruminations

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Astar
member
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada.
Member Since: 8th Nov 2002
Total posts: 1591
Posted:heh do you really believe that was a "signal box"

Don't you think they could hide such a thing better? He could have had a .44 magnum concealed in that suit and you would never notice it in the videos. It was a tucker in his suit. He may not have had a "wire" but it's highly unlikely and laughable that people think a bulge on someones back is a freakin radio.

But if believing ridicilous things is convinient go ahead.


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Xopher (aka Mr. Clean)
enthusiast
Location: Hoboken, New Jersey, USA
Member Since: 8th Jun 2004
Total posts: 456
Posted:Tell us, Astar, what YOU think it was.

And btw the Death Penalty is alive and well in the USA, unfortunately.


"If you didn't like something the first time, the cud won't be any good either." --Elsie the Cow, Ruminations

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Doc Lightning
Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Member Since: 28th May 2001
Total posts: 13920
Posted:Dom's right. The issues that the GOP brought to this election were moral issues and the war on terror.

The Democrats brought the war on terror, the environment, the economy, the national debt, civil rights, and healthcare.

Seems like a significant portion of the U.S. isn't interested in the latter group.


-Mike )'(
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella

"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura

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Astar
member
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada.
Member Since: 8th Nov 2002
Total posts: 1591
Posted:Written by: Astar

heh do you really believe that was a "signal box"

Don't you think they could hide such a thing better? He could have had a .44 magnum concealed in that suit and you would never notice it in the videos. It was a tucker in his suit. He may not have had a "wire" but it's highly unlikely and laughable that people think a bulge on someones back is a freakin radio.

But if believing ridicilous things is convinient go ahead.



sorry for being rational.


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Xopher (aka Mr. Clean)
enthusiast
Location: Hoboken, New Jersey, USA
Member Since: 8th Jun 2004
Total posts: 456
Posted:No, I just didn't recognize the word 'tucker'. What does that mean? A fold or something?

I'm not being sarcastic. I honestly don't know what that is. I thought it meant "something tucked into his suit," which doesn't answer the question of what it was.

And there's no need to be sarky with ME. These people cheat in every way possible, every single time. As a friend of mine said, "I deeply resent the way this administration makes me feel like a nutbar conspiracy theorist."


"If you didn't like something the first time, the cud won't be any good either." --Elsie the Cow, Ruminations

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Xopher (aka Mr. Clean)
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Location: Hoboken, New Jersey, USA
Member Since: 8th Jun 2004
Total posts: 456
Posted:Lightning, that might have been just it. Too many issues confused the feebleminded. And if you can't get the feebleminded vote, you can't win.

"If you didn't like something the first time, the cud won't be any good either." --Elsie the Cow, Ruminations

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musashii
musashii

starring Skippy the green llama
Location: Seattle, WA
Member Since: 14th Dec 2002
Total posts: 1148
Posted:it's been said before that Bush appeals to the less intelligent, and kerry was in fact too intellectual for the masses. I can vouch for this talking to some people after the debates who think Bush didn't get SPANKED in all of them.

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OrangeBobo
OrangeBobo

veteran
Location: Guelph, ON, Canada
Member Since: 21st Nov 2003
Total posts: 1389
Posted:Written by: NYC

Luckily, I'm already spoken for but maybe the rest of the Americans could use this Canadian site to save themselves.

http://www.marryanamerican.ca/




I like this guy best...

Written by: www.marryanamerican.ca
#821: Rick, from Mississauga: I have a 2 room Igloo.



That seriously just made my day!!! *uncontrollable fit of laughter*

~ Bobo


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_Clare_
_Clare_

Still wiggling
Location: Belfast
Member Since: 22nd Oct 2002
Total posts: 5967
Posted:I would quite like to stay in an igloo. Do you have his number?

smile


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KaelGotRice
KaelGotRice

Basu gasu bakuhatsu - because sometimes buses explode
Location: Angel's Landing, USA
Member Since: 21st Jul 2003
Total posts: 1584
Posted:That is HOT.

To do: More Firedrums 08 video?
Wildfire/US East coast fire footage
LA/EDC glow/fire footage
Fresno fire

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Xopher (aka Mr. Clean)
enthusiast
Location: Hoboken, New Jersey, USA
Member Since: 8th Jun 2004
Total posts: 456
Posted:Quote:Last night, I watched the returns come in with some friends here in Los Angeles. As the night progressed, people began to talk half-seriously about secession, a red state / blue state split. The reasoning was this: We in blue states produce the vast majority of the wealth in this country and pay the most taxes, and you in the red states receive the majority of the money from those taxes while complaining about em. We in the blue states are the only ones whove been attacked by foreign terrorists, yet you in the red states are gung ho to fight a war in our name. We in the blue states produce the entertainment that you consume so greedily each day, while you in the red states show open disdain for us and our values. Blue state civilians are the actual victims and targets of the war on terror, while red state civilians are the ones standing behind us and yelling Oh, yeah!? Bring it on!

--From Adam Felber's "Concession Speech"


"If you didn't like something the first time, the cud won't be any good either." --Elsie the Cow, Ruminations

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shadow steppin
shadow steppin

official hop irken
Location: Tucson USA
Member Since: 12th Aug 2003
Total posts: 401
Posted:its funny how everyone is jokeing about a secession. are we just jokeing? hello btw everyone havent been on in a while^^

i just wanted to to post this in case it hasnt been done yet. sorry dont have time to go through this thread. anyways. not like its a big suprise but the BS starts to float to the surface already >:/

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041105/ap_on_el_pr/voting_problems
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http://www.livejournal.com/users/terminaldogma/455532.html
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http://www.azinfoline.com/iboard/index.php?showtopic=5180
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im so disappointed ;; and once again the democrats just roll over.


In my hands I hold your smile and in my heart it runs so wild You are the one you are unique I'm so in love you make me weak And the reason that I feel is like a shadow from a light so if you have the chance to be with me be my shadow in the night

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Dio
Dio

HoP Mechanical Engineer
Location: OK, USA
Member Since: 11th Jul 2002
Total posts: 729
Posted:Written by: shadow steppin

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041105/ap_on_el_pr/voting_problems
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http://www.livejournal.com/users/terminaldogma/455532.html
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http://www.azinfoline.com/iboard/index.php?showtopic=5180
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Link #1:
"there were no signs of other errors in Ohio's electronic machines... Franklin is the only Ohio county to use Danaher Controls Inc.'s ELECTronic 1242, an older-style touchscreen voting system."

Sounds like some small errors that were a) caught as early as possible, b) addressed as best they could be, and c) had no effect on the outcome of the election.

Link #2:
"the official votes very likely includes absentee ballots, of which I heard (although I can't back up at the moment) that there were a large number for Florida, on the order of 1 million +. Voter turnout would likely just be the actual number of people who showed up at polling places on election day."

Livejournal hardly counts as objective factual journalism. This one self-debunked.

Link #3:
"You must already have registered for an account before you can log in.
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I can't tell if you're saying the election was rigged, or that those who say so are making inaccurate statements. As far as I have seen among the various news sources, this election was carried out in a very effective manner that leaves little doubt as to the validity of the results. Not being Pro-Bush or Pro-Kerry here (independent voter), just saying I haven't found much to convince me there's a conspiracy afoot - just lots of opinions, theory, and idealogy. smile


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musashii
musashii

starring Skippy the green llama
Location: Seattle, WA
Member Since: 14th Dec 2002
Total posts: 1148
Posted:not my words, but relvant all the same.. Hows that for links that work eh..





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This election had nothing to do with values or a poorly run Kerry campaign. The Democrats were victims of massive voter fraud via electronic voting machines and other methods. The exit polls werent wrong. Right now the GAO, House Democrats, Black Box Voting and even Ralph Nader are investigating. Please forward these links to the media, family and friends. Don't give up the fight.



1. States using e-voting gave Bush mysterious 5% advantage

www.newstarget.com/002076.html



2.Electronic voting in Ohio gave bush thousands of extra votes

story.news.yahoo.com/news



3. Ohio officials block public from observing vote count

www.enquirer.com/editions/.../11/05/loc_warrenvote05.html



4. Voting machines in Florida count backward

www.palmbeachpost.com/politic...ntent/news/epaper/2004/11/05/a29a_BROWVOTE_1105.html



5. Bizarre Florida results, county by county

ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm



6. Black Box Voting declares fraud via electronic voting machines

www.blackboxvoting.org/



7. Exit polls data: accurate except in counties using electronic voting machines

img103.exs.cx/img103/4526/exit_poll.gif



8. Did Kerry concede too soon?

www.freepress.org/columns/d...ay/3/2004/981



9. Why Kerry really won, by Greg Palast, contributing editor to Harper's and the BBC, and author of "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy.

www.tompaine.com/articles/kerry_won_.php



10. Was the Ohio election honest and fair?

www.accuracy.org/press_rel...s/PR110304.htm



11. Why the election was stolen, by Mark Crispin Miller, media critic, professor of communications at New York University, and author, most recently, of "Cruel and Unusual: Bush/Cheney's New World Order." (from Salon.com)



First of all, this election was definitely rigged. I have no doubt about it. It's a statistical impossibility that Bush got 8 million more votes than he got last time. In 2000, he got 15 million votes from right-wing Christians, and there are approximately 19 million of them in the country. They were eager to get the other 4 million. That was pretty much Karl Rove's strategy to get Bush elected.



But given Bush's low popularity ratings and the enormous number of new voters -- who skewed Democratic -- there is no way in the world that Bush got 8 million more votes this time. I think it had a lot to do with the electronic voting machines. Those machines are completely untrustworthy, and that's why the Republicans use them. Then there's the fact that the immediate claim of Ohio was not contested by the news media -- when Andrew Card came out and claimed the state, not only were the votes in Ohio not counted, they weren't even all cast.



I would have to hear a much stronger argument for the authenticity, or I should say the veracity, of this popular vote for Bush before I'm willing to believe it. If someone can prove to me that it happened, that Bush somehow pulled 8 million magic votes out of a hat, OK, I'll accept it. I'm an independent, not a Democrat, and I'm not living in denial.



And that's not even talking about Florida, which is about as Democratic a state as Guatemala used to be. The news media is obliged to make the Republicans account for all these votes, and account for the way they were counted. Simply to embrace this result as definitive is irrational. But there is every reason to question it ... I find it beyond belief that the press in this formerly democratic country would not have made the integrity of the electoral system a front page, top-of-the-line story for the last three years. I worked and worked and worked to get that story into the media, and no one touched it until your guy did.



I actually got invited to a Kerry fundraiser so I could talk to him about it. I raised the issue directly with him and with Teresa. Teresa was really indignant and really concerned, but Kerry just looked down at me -- he's about 9 feet tall -- and I could tell it just didn't register. It set off all his conspiracy-theory alarms and he just wasn't listening.



Talk to anyone from a real democracy -- from Canada or any European country or India. They are staggered to discover that 80 percent of our touch-screen electronic voting machines have no paper trail and are manufactured by companies owned by Bush Republicans. But there is very little sense of outrage here. Americans for a host of reasons have become alienated from the spirit of the Bill of Rights and that should not be tolerated.








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filthy 23
filthy 23

member
Location: USA
Member Since: 22nd Nov 2003
Total posts: 136
Posted:I just saw the CNN news reporting the vote discrepancies as being "Conspiracy Theories by suspicious minds" ! fnord!

I AM working.

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_Clare_
_Clare_

Still wiggling
Location: Belfast
Member Since: 22nd Oct 2002
Total posts: 5967
Posted:Oh god... it's not entirely unexpected... but what can be done?!

Can you guys hold rallies or protests? What about lodging an official complaint with the police (I know it sounds irrelevant, but maybe if enough people lodge complaints they will have to investigate?)

It is not too late to save this... do something now America and make sure your vote is counted!!


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musashii
musashii

starring Skippy the green llama
Location: Seattle, WA
Member Since: 14th Dec 2002
Total posts: 1148
Posted:oi, see my previous post about activist groups in each city for voter fraud, it's there if enough people get involved.

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" Life is programmed. Whether death is programmed or not is yet to be determined."

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_Clare_
_Clare_

Still wiggling
Location: Belfast
Member Since: 22nd Oct 2002
Total posts: 5967
Posted:oops... sorrys... so are people getting involved?

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