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_Clare_
_Clare_

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Location: Belfast
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Posted:Hi there everyone,

After a couple of requests, some consideration and my own rather curvaceous tangent on the thread for the Russian families of the school massacre I decided to start a thread dedicated to interesting issues in the daily news (or even the daily news itself, anything news-related really you get the idea).

Ive done a search and while theres hundreds of threads for individual news stories, I couldnt find one for an ongoing discussion of whats happening in the world around us.

I know lots of people dont follow the news, but many do, and my opinion is that discussion on current events gives people a better understanding of nations, races and humanity, for want of a better word.

HoP is in the enviable position of having a really global audience there cant be many websites with regular posting members from right across the world, covering such a wide spectrum of cultures, ideas and beliefs. We have the ability to look at events from many different viewpoints, so I thought we should use it.

Anyways, I was thinking we could post, or draw attention to, some of the main stories that affect us on a daily basis

Btw, I really dont want this to become an America-bashing thread (or any other type of bashing). I think most of us share the view that the American government are fairly appalling at the minute, and while criticism will definitely happen, I dont want any Americans on the site to feel victimised or that pro-Bush types feel their views arent valid. Try to keep all the views considered and, if possible, sourced.

So anyways, let me know what you think

A couple of interesting stories I picked up on today were:

Indonesia has become the latest nation to join the war on terrorism following the car bomb at the Australian embassy which killed 9 people and injured 180 I heard an Indonesian government official (I think it was the spokesman for the Indonesian foreign ministry) say they are 'now ready to join the war on terror', after it was alleged the militant Islamic group Jemaah Islamiah were responsible. (sorry, am about to leave work and couldn't find a source... will try to get it tomorrow).

Also, US secretary of state Colin Powell has declared the situation in Sudan a genocide:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3641820.stm
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It seems the countries are busy arguing over the term genocide as opposed to actually getting out there with aid and peacekeeping forces.

Anyways, Id be interested to hear anyones opinions on these stories as well as anything else youd like to bring up

Thanks
take care
Clare xox


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Posted:By not supporting abortions they're supporting the ruination of women who were likely to be victims to begin with (as in, the situation where they became pregnant was probably one where they were a victim) and who are likely to continue to be victimised because of the pregnancy.

Amnesty doesn't have as many problems as the church.


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Posted:dont know about that FIF amnesty has a much better track record than the catholic church when it comes to questionable moral dealings if you dout that i can provide you with an extensive list.



i meen faith lets suppose god forbid you were violently raped against your will and became pregnent as a result then you were denided an abortion and we're forced to bare that child for nine months before giveing birth haveing to spend the rest of your life raiseing the child of the man who raped and violated you. something you would be reminded of every day. would you think that you were better off because you were force to carry the child? what about the child is it fair to bring a child into a situation like that?



would you feel that by been denied an abortion you had been helped?

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_Clare_
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Posted:Am in work tonight and wanted to flag these two up...

The loss of a great artist, from pancreatic cancer:

COLLEAGUES REMEMBER PAVAROTTI'S GREATNESS
Friends and admirers of Luciano Pavarotti joined a chorus of grief as the world
paid homage to the thrilling voice and exuberant personality of the great
Italian tenor who died today.
Amid an outpouring of tributes, the Vienna State Opera raised a black flag in
mourning, the Guards band at Buckingham Palace played Pavarotti's signature aria
Nessun Dorma at the Changing of the Guard ceremony, and the tenor's northern
Italian hometown of Modena said it would name the city's theatre after its
native son.
Newscasts and websites across the world led with news of his death and radio
stations aired his unmistakable recordings in Pavarotti's memory.
``The whole world will be listening today to his voice on every radio and
television station. And that will continue. And that is his legacy. He will
never stop,'' said conductor Zubin Mehta, who directed Pavarotti in Rome and Los
Angeles for his Three Tenors concerts with Placido Domingo and Jose Carreras.
``I always admired the God-given glory of his voice - that unmistakable special
timbre from the bottom up to the very top of the tenor range,'' Domingo said in
a statement from Los Angeles.
``They threw away the mould when they made Luciano. He will always be
remembered as a truly unique performer in the annals of classical music.''
Carreras said he would remember Pavarotti as one of the ``most important tenors
of all times.''
``We have to remember him as the great artist that he was, the man with such a
wonderful charismatic personality, very good friend and a great poker player,''
Carreras said in a video clip recorded by Swedish newspaper Expressen.
Pavarotti died this morning at his home in Modena after battling pancreatic
cancer since last year, his manager Terri Robson said in a statement.
``The world has lost a great tenor, but I've lost a great friend, a brother,''
Mirella Freni, an opera great and one of Pavarotti's close childhood friends
said.
``We grew up together, studied singing and God blessed us with great careers.
I've lost a brother.''
US President George Bush said he and his wife Laura were joining Pavarotti's
fans and family in mourning. ``From singing with his father in a small church choir near Modena, Italy, to performing in sold-out stadiums in America and all across the world, Pavarotti entertained audiences with his perfect pitch and charismatic interpretations,'' Bush said in a statement.
Venice's La Fenice theatre flew flags at half staff and planned a minute of
silence at Thursday's performance. Milan's storied La Scala, where Pavarotti
performed 140 times, said that as Pavarotti's illness worsened, it had decided
to create a joint international singing competition with Modena's theatre to
ensure his legacy continued.
``With him a splendid era of opera singing is entrusted to history,'' La Scala
superintendent Stephane Lissner said in a statement.
Italians remembered Pavarotti as an ambassador of Italian style and culture
abroad. In a telegram to the star's family, Premier Romano Prodi gave Pavarotti
``a last, grateful, applause,'' thanking him for ``bringing to the world the
most authentic artistic image of our country.''
For fans and colleagues, the beauty of Pavarotti's voice and his charismatic
performances made him the ideal interpreter of the Italian lyric repertory,
especially in the 1960s and '70s when he first achieved stardom.
``It was incredible to stand next to it and sing along with it,'' soprano Joan
Sutherland said of Pavarotti's voice at the time.
A 14-week tour of Australia with Sutherland and her husband, conductor Richard
Bonynge, gave Pavarotti the recognition he needed to launch his career. He also
credited Sutherland with teaching him how to breathe correctly.
``My husband ... and I had great joy working with him. The quality of the sound
was so different. You knew immediately it was Luciano singing,'' Sutherland told
BBC radio.
Soprano Renee Fleming, preparing for a performance in Matsumoto, Japan,
remembered singing with Pavarotti during a telecast at Lincoln Centre.
``He had the most perfect technique in the history of recorded music,'' she
said in an e-mail to The AP.
But Pavarotti's voice was just the beginning.
The UN refugee agency recalled how his Pavarotti & Friends benefit concerts
with top rock stars helped collect 3.5 million for displaced people in various
conflict areas, from Kosovo to Afghanistan to Angola.
U2 singer Bono said Pavarotti was ``a great volcano of a man who sang fire but
spilled over with a love of life in all its complexity,'' while Elton John, who
sang the duet Live Like Horses with Pavarotti in 1996, said the tenor's death
marked ``a sad day for music and a sad day for the world.''
Pavarotti was also credited with bringing opera to millions through his
showmanship and his outdoor concerts.
``He brought arts performance to people who don't go to opera houses. None of
the classical singers have had the ability and courage to do that,'' said Hong
Kong tenor Warren Mok.
``He was one of those rare artists who affected the lives of people across the
globe in all walks of life,'' the Royal Opera House in London said in a
statement.
``Through his countless broadcasts, recordings and concerts he introduced the
extraordinary power of opera to people who perhaps would never have encountered opera and classical singing, in doing so he enriched their lives.''



And... BSE affects felines now... in Germany

BSE-LIKE DISEASE DETECTED IN GERMAN ZOO'S CHEETAH
A cheetah at a zoo in Nuremberg has died after contracting an illness similar
to mad cow disease, becoming the first confirmed case in Germany of feline
spongiform encephalopathy, city authorities said today.
Lulu, a female cheetah born in 1998, had suffered for six weeks from problems
that included trouble balancing and weakness in her hind legs, the Nuremberg
city government said in a statement.
The animal eventually was put to sleep, and tests by Bavarian and federal labs
were positive for FSE, it added.
It was unclear how and when Lulu became infected with the disease, which has a several-year incubation period, but Nuremberg authorities said it likely happened in the Netherlands, where she was born.
Lulu moved to Germany at the age of 15 months, returned to the Netherlands five
years later and arrived at the Nuremberg zoo in March 2006.


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Posted:I'm looking forward to that day that people stop letting the church run their lives. I just can't comprehend the mentality that is "Uh-oh, the church is mad at me because I did something they say i can't" and then you go and confess yer sins and your all ready to sin again. Beleive it or not but the clergy are no different then you or I with the exception of knowledge of the Bible and still, I know some people that know the Bible cover to cover. I guess what I'm getting at is who is to say these clergy folk have any authority...certainly not God.

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Posted:First, I have been raped
Second, I don't have to raise the child. There are lots of couples waiting to adopt infants. It's the older kids that get stuck in foster care more so

When amnesty has been around as long as the Church, we'll see how many problems it has had.

Poje: it's in the Bilble: Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."
(Matthew 28:18-20)

Confession you are only forgiven if you are sorry and intend not to do it again.

And because the Church never does any good...Please tell that to those from Katrina or in St. Kit's or Guadalajara. They get food, clothes, school supplies, housing, help with economic factors. But the Church is a horrible institution.

There is a saying that there is really only a handful of people who actually hate the Church, the rest only hate what they think the Church is


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Posted: Written by: faithinfire



Poje: it's in the Bilble: Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.





I wasn't considering Jesus as clergy



 Written by: faithinfire



Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

(Matthew 28:18-20)





this to me is saying "spread my word all over", not entirly sure where you were going with it.







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Oh and i never said i hate the church, I tried it, it wasn't for me. I think it comes down to faith, I have trouble blindly following.

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faith enfire
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Posted:so do I

Faith
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_Clare_
_Clare_

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Member Since: 22nd Oct 2002
Total posts: 5967
Posted:Hey there lads...

I don't really want this thread to become a debate about religion, abortion or the rights and wrongs of Amnesty... I'm sure there's loads of other threads you can do that.

Tis just a wee thread for posting up news stories...

Mucho gracias

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Posted:11 charged over Chaser APEC stunt



Man, the Chasers have some minerals!! ubblol



Chaser stunt raises questions about APEC security



The funny thing is, the convoys cars had Australian & Canadian flags on them. From what i've been told, Canada isn't even part of the APEC summit! ubblol

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Posted:ubblol So much for the billions spent on security. One of the Chaser crew was dressed as Osama bin Laden. Apparently they got through two road blocks, and only got caught when they decided to turn around.

ubblol wot a crock



ubblol


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Rouge Dragon
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Posted:I though Canada were and they chose Canada because it was likely that Canada would have that many cars in their entourage (as opposed to the US overkill) and were unlikely to be scrutinised too closely.

i also heard on the radio today that "apparently" the chaser boys were lucky they werent shot by the snipers, which the man on the radio assured everyone were ready to shoot...sounded more like propoganda to me!

regardless - the chasers have beated their own standards yet again!!!!


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Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...

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Posted:I couldn't beleive how far they got in .

that shrewd and knavish sprite

Called Robin Good Fellow ; are you not he that is frighten of the maidens of the villagery - fairy

I am the merry wander of the night -puk

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Posted:Fred Thompson announced is candidacy

Faith
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Posted:he's got thrush? eek

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i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

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Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...

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Posted:???

Faith
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Posted:candida tongue

i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...

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Posted:http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/girl-12-has-babysitters-child/2007/09/20/1189881664247.html This made me so sad frown Makes me not want to have kids because I don't want to bring a life into this world where people like that exist!

i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

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Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...

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Posted:the north western pass, a fabled trading route that runs close to the north pole, and is the shortest distance between europe and asia has become open for the first time in recorded history, due to global warming and polar ice cap recession... frown
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Posted:Any one hear about the kid that got tasered for asking senetor kelly some questions?





oh and check this out.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297121,00.html


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Posted:oh my god, that is disgusting. its for reasons like that that i hate america. even though i live there lol

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Posted:Thats horrendous, I'm really shocked that they can get away with that. There was absolutley no justification for them to arrest him, nevermind taser him.



It makes me very mad to see that. I'm just glad someone filmed it, and hope that the people involved get what's coming to them, although i doubt they will.


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Posted:from what i hear, 2 of the cops are suspended lemme see if i can find an article......

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/09/18/student.tasered.ap/index.html

there ya go


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Posted:and what happeneed to freedom of speech

he he i am mike the amazing gloscircus person who is mike.

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_Clare_
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Posted:The human rights abuses of the Burmese government are well known...

Opposition parties and voices are repressed with brutality and it's treatment of it's people is shocking.

Check this BBC link for more info about Burma, and particularly Aung San Suu Kyi.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7014570.stm

We're largely powerless to support the efforts of the Buddhist monks and nuns out there... but what you could do is contribute to (and spread) this petition...

http://www.avaaz.org/en/stand_with_burma/tf.php

best wishes, and thanks
Clare x


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Posted:condoms spread HIV: Archbishop

what a DANGEROUS and IRRESPONSIBLE piece of EXCREMENT!


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Posted:Clare, thanks for the information on Burma.

I got this from Tjoni:

Burma is ruled by one of the most brutal military dictatorships in the world. For decades the Burmese regime has fought off pressure--imprisoning elected leader Aung San Suu Kyi and democracy activists, wiping out thousands of villages, imposing forced labour, creating refugees-

But last Tuesday Buddhist monks and nuns, revered in Burma, began marching and chanting prayers. The protests spread as hundreds of thousands of ordinary people and public figures joined in, finding the hope theyd lost. Now theyre facing crackdown so please, show your solidarity to this movement towards reconciliation and democracy and sign the emergency petition supporting the Burmese people -- it'll be delivered to United Nations Security Council members and international media all week.

Stand with the Burmese Protesters


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Posted:My favourite news story of recent times:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/7139910.stm



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Oh, and I just found the "Ironic Story of the Day":

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6586879.stm

(zizzi is french slang for "penis" ) ubblol

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Posted:Oh BTW, Alex Trebek had a heart attack and was hospitalized, but should ok to start taping in January the new season of Jeopardy

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Posted:Terry Pratchett has been diagnosed with Alzheimers. frown He says he wants everyone to keep cheerful, as he has a few more books to write yet. God bless you Terry Pratchett! hug

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Terry Pratchett has been diagnosed with Alzheimers. frown He says he wants everyone to keep cheerful, as he has a few more books to write yet. God bless you Terry Pratchett! hug



frown if he wants me cheerful, then cheerful I shall be.. but I'm not happy about it smile

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