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_Clare_
_Clare_

Still wiggling
Location: Belfast
Member Since: 22nd Oct 2002
Total posts: 5967
Posted:Hi there everyone,

After a couple of requests, some consideration and my own rather curvaceous tangent on the thread for the Russian families of the school massacre I decided to start a thread dedicated to interesting issues in the daily news (or even the daily news itself, anything news-related really you get the idea).

Ive done a search and while theres hundreds of threads for individual news stories, I couldnt find one for an ongoing discussion of whats happening in the world around us.

I know lots of people dont follow the news, but many do, and my opinion is that discussion on current events gives people a better understanding of nations, races and humanity, for want of a better word.

HoP is in the enviable position of having a really global audience there cant be many websites with regular posting members from right across the world, covering such a wide spectrum of cultures, ideas and beliefs. We have the ability to look at events from many different viewpoints, so I thought we should use it.

Anyways, I was thinking we could post, or draw attention to, some of the main stories that affect us on a daily basis

Btw, I really dont want this to become an America-bashing thread (or any other type of bashing). I think most of us share the view that the American government are fairly appalling at the minute, and while criticism will definitely happen, I dont want any Americans on the site to feel victimised or that pro-Bush types feel their views arent valid. Try to keep all the views considered and, if possible, sourced.

So anyways, let me know what you think

A couple of interesting stories I picked up on today were:

Indonesia has become the latest nation to join the war on terrorism following the car bomb at the Australian embassy which killed 9 people and injured 180 I heard an Indonesian government official (I think it was the spokesman for the Indonesian foreign ministry) say they are 'now ready to join the war on terror', after it was alleged the militant Islamic group Jemaah Islamiah were responsible. (sorry, am about to leave work and couldn't find a source... will try to get it tomorrow).

Also, US secretary of state Colin Powell has declared the situation in Sudan a genocide:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3641820.stm
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It seems the countries are busy arguing over the term genocide as opposed to actually getting out there with aid and peacekeeping forces.

Anyways, Id be interested to hear anyones opinions on these stories as well as anything else youd like to bring up

Thanks
take care
Clare xox


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hazington
hazington

journeyman
Location: Sunshine coast, Queensland
Member Since: 17th Aug 2006
Total posts: 51
Posted:So i've been waiting all day to have a rant....so here it is! sorry i wrote so much

Recently in a semi rural town called Camden just on the out skirts of Sydney a Muslim group has decided to ask for planning permission to build a Muslim based school but it wouldn't be confined to Muslim anybody would be able to attend.

I try very hard as a person not to be sexist or raciest in any way but i do feel annoyed at the catholic and Christians approach to this situation. (please don't take offense if your Christian or catholic)

They claim the don't want 'these' kind of people in their community, in many ways making out as though Muslims are taking over Oz surprisingly there were all sorts against the school including Australians as well as Asians and Africans born here as well as immigrated here.

I live on the sunshine coast where private/religious schools out number government school 2 to 1....I'm sorry but why can't they have their own schools, many were claiming that if they want to live in our country they should live by our rules....

Why should they if i wanted to live anywhere in the world i would have the option to go to an English speaking school that does not preach any sort of religion, why should it be any different..... Heaps of Australians travel overseas each year to poverty stricken countries and teach bible classes, wheres the brains behind that one, if we travel to another country we shouldn't force our ideas or opinions on to others.

And in this case Muslims aren't imposing their ideas on anyone, their not saying we have to send our kids to their school their merely giving us the option to...unlike the Christians/catholics who in this situation are trying to force their beliefs on to Muslims, by not letting them have this school they are forcing them to attend our schools.

EVERYBODY* HAS A RIGHT TO LIVE HOW THEY WANT TO
in regard to sexuality, lifestyle, religion, family situation, etc.

*EVERYBODY this means male-female, religious-nonreligious, ethnic-or not.

I apologize for the 'there' 'our' comments in this post i do believe were all the same.hug

i am proud that i have lived in a time and a country and been a part of a family where i've had the opportunity to decide what i want to think and believe...my mum's Christian come budhist, my dads family are Christians, my sister catholic and me i suppose a bit of everything.

These reports were over 3 out of 5 TV channels it annoys me to think about how many people absorbed this information and thought that Muslims shouldn't be in our community.

There is and always will be confusion over religion all i know is most of it was written along time ago in many different languages and if anyones ever tried translating before you'll know that people make mistakes maybe the bible was suppose to say 'women shall do as men do', not 'women shall do what men say'

MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE thank you for letting me vent and rave. ubbloco


Living is loving & Loving is Living
yet
Lying is Dying &
Dying can be Lying if you let it...

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_Clare_
_Clare_

Still wiggling
Location: Belfast
Member Since: 22nd Oct 2002
Total posts: 5967
Posted:Merry Christmas indeed everyone smile

Here's a few things recently that I wanted to post up here:

Mistakes made in Iraq:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7153990.stm

Japan cancels humpback whale hunting expedition:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7155255.stm

The only man charged with the Omagh bomb (which killed 29) is freed, because of inept policing:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7154952.stm

Solstice at Newgrange broadcast on internet:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7155262.stm

Bush's ego sizes up against Syria:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7154473.stm


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faith enfire
faith enfire

wandering thru the woods of WI
Location: Wisconsin
Member Since: 27th Jan 2006
Total posts: 3556
Posted:Merry Christmas

And don't forget you can keep an eye on Santa's progress. Norad tracks the sleigh every year


Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed

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Mr Majestik
Mr Majestik

coming to a country near you
Location: home of the tiney toothy bear
Member Since: 9th Mar 2004
Total posts: 4693
Posted:i totally agree with that situation hazington.

people are trying to come up with every excuse under the sun why the school/mosque shouldnt be built, really they're just being intolerant and discriminatory.


"but have you considered there is more to life than your eyelids?"

jointly owned by Fire_Spinning_Angel and Blu_Valley

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Rouge Dragon
Rouge Dragon

Insert Champagne Here
Location: without class distinction
Member Since: 21st Jul 2003
Total posts: 13215
Posted:i've been so busy moving house lately so i've missed a lot of stuff, but i thought there was more to the muslim school issue than just "us" Vs "them". I heard that the town in question didn't even have a muslim population to be able to sustain the school therefore there wasn't a demand for the school in that area. And I do actually agree with wondering why a council should put up money that's not going to benefit the community who paid the rates to fund said council.

i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...

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Rouge Dragon
Rouge Dragon

Insert Champagne Here
Location: without class distinction
Member Since: 21st Jul 2003
Total posts: 13215
Posted:http://www.godhatesfags.com/written/fliers/20080125_heath-ledger-memorial-sag.pdf

Not that we needed more proof that the Westbro Baptist Church are all a bunch of psycho lunatics. But this is the latest instalment.

I'm a particular fan of the part where they're "trying to hide the body so that WBC cannot picket " ubblol ubblol ubblol ubblol


i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...

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Stout
Stout

Pooh-Bah
Location: Canada
Member Since: 12th May 2004
Total posts: 1872
Posted:Oh yea Phelps. You know, he got sued for 10.9 million last year and he's only worth about a million. Maybe he should watch The Secret because so far God hasn't come through. wink

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FireTom
Stargazer

Member Since: 20th Sep 2003
Total posts: 6650
Posted:...Ghandis grandson on the actual situation of Jews in Israel...

the best smiles are the ones you lead to wink

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Stone
Stream Entrant
Location: Melbourne
Member Since: 13th Jun 2001
Total posts: 2830
Posted:Bear convicted of stealing honey


A Macedonian court convicted a bear of theft and damage for stealing honey from a beekeeper who fought off the attacks with thumping "turbo-folk" music.


If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh

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Bubbles_
Bubbles_

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: mancunian
Member Since: 25th Nov 2004
Total posts: 3383
Posted:Mayor Bans Villagers From Dying

he has 'threatened "severe" punishment for anyone who disobeys...'


Disclaimer:im not responsible for what i say or do whether it be before,during and after drinking alcoholic substances (owned by BMVC).
Creater of Jenisms(TM)
Virginity like bubble,one prick all gone.

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Stone
Stream Entrant
Location: Melbourne
Member Since: 13th Jun 2001
Total posts: 2830
Posted:Cheney camp 'behind Syrian reactor claim

US Government allegations that North Korea helped Syria build a nuclear reactor have been greeted with scepticism because of their timing.

Israeli jets bombed the alleged site in Syria's eastern desert last September.

Today, after months of whispers, the White House publicly claimed that the target of the strike was a nuclear reactor.

It said the reactor was being built with North Korean help and was not intended for peaceful purposes.

US intelligence officials said the reactor had been close to becoming operational when it was destroyed.



Well, sorry guys after the Weapons of Mass destruction lie, who wouldnt be skeptical?


If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh

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_Clare_
_Clare_

Still wiggling
Location: Belfast
Member Since: 22nd Oct 2002
Total posts: 5967
Posted:Three sad stories today:

DUP (Democratic Unionist Party - Northern Ireland) sell out (for 1m of paramilitary reclaimed wealth) to support horrendous Labour campaign to impose 42-day internment (bill passes by 9 votes).

In case you don't understand what this means - the police now have the power to arrest you for ANYTHING THEY SUSPECT TO BE TERRORIST RELATED and hold you in prison for 42 days, without charge, without telling anyone.

This power was in force in Northern Ireland during the dark days of the Troubles and many Catholics were lifted off the streets, under nothing more than a 'suspicion'.

More news here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7449268.stm


Idiot government official leaves records of Al-Qaeda suspects on train (again!!)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7449255.stm


26 Dolphins killed by suspected navy training near Falmouth:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/7445786.stm


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daisydungeon
newbie

Member Since: 12th Jun 2008
Total posts: 3
Posted:So the Navy ARE suspects for the dolphins! I had thought that ever since I first heard that story - there are many Navy installations in the area.
Well, I hope they feel proud.


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Birgit
Birgit

had her carpal tunnel surgery already thanks v much
Location: Edinburgh
Member Since: 27th Jan 2005
Total posts: 4145
Posted:Oh, but it's like totally okay with the 42 days, because any day more than 28 you're imprisoned wrongly you'll get compensation! </irony> - In other words, it's completely ok for someone to be imprisoned for 28 days without a charge, and you won't even be compensated, given that after all you MIGHT have been a terrorist. Funny, given that the limit was 24 hours not too long ago...

Also I'm sure we really needed this law in the UK because there has been SUCH an increase in terrorist attacks since the time was extended to 28 days... Gah.

And about the Al Qaeda stuff - isn't it interesting that the information is labelled "for UK/US/Canadian and Australian eyes only"? Does that mean that Al Qaeda is only a threat to English-speaking countries (but not Ireland and New Zealand) and the rest of us can take bottles on the planes again? Surely if there's an international terrorist organisation that the USA and UK tried, not so long ago, to get everyone to fight and pass new laws against, then everyone should be informed of new intelligence about them?

Maybe that's why it was left on the tube then. Not incompetence, but informing tourists in London on the threats wink


"vices are like genitals - most are ugly to behold, and yet we find that our own are dear to us."
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The Tea Fairy
The Tea Fairy

old hand
Location: Behind you...
Member Since: 2nd Jul 2004
Total posts: 853
Posted:ubblol Well said, Dr Birgit!

Idolized by Aurinoko

Take me disappearing through the smoke rings of my mind....

Bob Dylan

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_Clare_
_Clare_

Still wiggling
Location: Belfast
Member Since: 22nd Oct 2002
Total posts: 5967
Posted:Just saw this in tonight's paper!!



Sad news... Possibly an aerialist?





A WOMAN has died during a practice run for an arts festival in Co Donegal. The 30-year-old from England was killed after a model globe which she was suspended from fell from a crane in Lurgybrac near Letterkenny at around 3pm yesterday. A Garda spokesman said there was no suspicious circumstances.


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_Clare_
_Clare_

Still wiggling
Location: Belfast
Member Since: 22nd Oct 2002
Total posts: 5967
Posted:more news on the English aerialist:

Garda and the Health and Safety Authority are investigating the death of a woman who was crushed to death in Co Donegal while rehearsing for an art performance.

The woman (30) was a member of a touring British group that was practicing for an aerial display that involves a large metal globe suspended from a crane.

She died when part of the display became detached from the crane and she was crushed beneath the globe.

The accident took place outside Lurgybrack National School, about three kilometres outside Letterkenny, where the Fidget Feet Performance Company had been storing their equipment following their performance at the Old Town Fair in Letterkenny during the August Bank Holiday weekend.


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Pink...?
Pink...?

Mistress of Pink...Multicoloured
Location: Over There
Member Since: 6th Apr 2002
Total posts: 6140
Posted:That woman was one of us frown



She practised in my building, her boyfriend (and the rigger - it wasn't his fault) works here. Everyone is shell shocked by this. Our riggers here who were good friends of her are walking around crying - if anyone has ever seen big strong men cry you can appreciate how horrible it is.



She will be missed.



Apparently she was testing the bungey and the bungey jumped itself loose, then the saftey line didn't work. Someone else had gone up before her, and tested it and it was fine. It was freak accident. And I know how well Bryan & Jo do their rigging, it wasn't their fault.


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willworkforfoodjnr
willworkforfoodjnr

Hunting robot foxes
Location: Huddersfield, West Yorkshire
Member Since: 8th Aug 2007
Total posts: 1046
Posted:Thats terrible - consolations to everyone affected by this tragedy frown

Working hard to be a wandering hippie layabout. Ten years down, five to go!

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Pink...?
Pink...?

Mistress of Pink...Multicoloured
Location: Over There
Member Since: 6th Apr 2002
Total posts: 6140
Posted:More about Emma's death...

We had a lovely email go round which I thought I would share with you.

Circus & Emma Insley 1978 2008



A message from Bryan Donaldson (High Performance Rigging)



Everything that has been said, has been said. The support everyone has shown to Joe comes as no surprise to me whatsoever. This couldnt have happened to a less deserving couple.

I received a call from an incredibly distraught Joe on Wednesday 20th of August shortly after 3pm. My initial reaction was one that every single person had on first receiving the news....... disbelief.

I made my second priority that of securing the truth, my first being Joes immediate welfare. It was quickly established that the paramedics, local police and Health & Safety Authority Investigators were the first on the scene. Nothing was contaminated and all the relevant pieces of equipment were secured. I liaised with all those present who witnessed the incident and also the head investigator for the HSA. Procedure was correctly followed for the implementation and assembly (in other words, rigging) and all the equipment used that belonged to Fidget Feet was 100% compliant with regulations and legislation. This was a one in a million freak accident and is just that; a freak accident. I dont want to appear on a soapbox but at the same time I do not want and will not tolerate hearing any untruths being spoken and therefore wish to establish this as record.

This could have been and in many instances would have been me in the situation that Joe has now found himself in. With my hand on my heart I can say that I wouldnt have done anything differently, and instead of Joe, it would have been me in that position, having to explain myself to him as to why Emma was no longer with us.

In 1994 I lost my best friend and working partner in an accident. We were performing an aerial act called the Wheel of Death together at the Blackpool Tower Circus on Boxing Day. The second performance of the day saw my partner Neville Campbell fall from the wheel and result in an immediate and fatal injury. We were both in our early 20s at the time and I learnt a slow, difficult and yet honest lesson: Risk remains and will always be the nature of our business, regardless of what we do to make things as safe as possible. When we work as aerialists a large part of our paying public come to see the daring and the danger and marvel at seeing people do what quite often seems humanly not possible and beyond most mere mortals. We put every procedure in place to eliminate those risks, yet, if it was honestly that simple then it wouldnt be circus. As artists we are and should always be aware that this is and will always remain a very real element of our work.





A message from Jym and Chantal (Fidget Feet)



How many people can truly say they love their job and that they are actually happy in their life? Emma Insley joyfully yelled "I hate my job!" as she sat back to back with her friend Chantal on a giant representation of the Earth as it lifted into the Donegal skies. The two were obviously so incredibly happy. Emma was like this whether on the ground or in the air, which is where she spent a lot of her life as a very talented dance/circus aerialist.



She was as developed a human being as she was an aerialist, she brought everyone out of themselves and into the party that was her life, accepting them so fully and completely just as they were that everyone felt accepted and comfortable with her. Emma was the kind of person you could only love, because that is all she gave out. Despite being one of the most accomplished aerialists on the scene, she never took herself as serious as her abilities would definitely have justified. As a high flying lady, she was in the fullest sense also one of the most grounded of us.



Emma has worked with and for Fidget Feet for many years and is a most cherished and beloved friend of the directors Chantal and Jym. All three of us have worked together both in Fidget Feet and for other similar companies. Emma has always been a bright spark and a boon to any gig, we all loved to get work together. We all were respectful of the dangers of this kind of work, but even traveling to work by any kind of transport was also a danger, and rather than deny doing what we loved, we all faced those dangers and helped each other through them. Emma faced this challenge in her life with courage and great generosity, helping others to get the right techniques to deal with situations they might face in their work. Many times I have seen her with her arm around a distraught colleague, plagued with self doubt or fear and telling them how great they were and what to do to make it work better for them, punching them playfully on the arm and sending them out to face their challenge with a hearty shout of "don't worry about it mate, youre f%$king brilliant"!



On the day of Emma's accident she was as lively and excited about her work as ever, she was playing the part of Gaia, spirit of the earth, and was delighting in the role, hamming it up as the star of the show and making us all laugh. Emma had been as lucky in love as she was in her choice of what she spent her life working at. At seventeen she met her soul-mate Joe Hull and they had been together since. Joe was part of this gig too as he was at many of her gigs. Our heart goes out to Joe as he was there at the accident. This kind of pain should not happen to anyone, and the depth of it can only be imagined.



What happened remains unknown, there are no broken parts to the mechanics involved, all we are left with is the fact that we have lost a dear and precious friend, her loss has caused a sea of remorse from friends all around the world. All we can say now is that Emma would never have given up the choice to fly in her life, and we respect and celebrate that courageous, full and beautiful life. Emma we love you deeply and forever..........



A message from Joe Hull



My life with Emma started in 95 when we met at Circus Space and we have been inseparable ever since. Em was strong, creative, determined the most amazing person. Her smile, humour, energy, the way that she went forwards with great passion for everything she did, I will miss all of these things more than I can express. I am so lucky to have had the time that we had together and Em is still here guiding me through this our most difficult time just as she had guided me through our lives.

Ive been helped and supported greatly by Emmas beautiful family John, Joan and Nikki who have been bright lights and the rocks that are lit by them in a very dark place, I cant begin to understand what they must be feeling at this time. My friends and incredible family have given me love, comfort, company, shoulders to cry on and space when Ive needed it. Chantal, Jym and the whole McCormick family have offered, provided and continue to give us a lot of love and support. To everyone for being there, helping me to try and understand and for continuing to help me find some kind of reason or answer, thankyou. This tragic thing has brought everyone involved closer together and made them stronger and these relationships will live on. Good things must and will come from this.

The messages, phone calls, emails and thoughts have re-enforced everything I know and felt about Em, they have given us strength, love and have been a great healer. Em would want us all to pause and then move on, It feels like I have spent as much time laughing as I have crying, sharing stories about her and our memories of her. I sometimes feel Im on the top of a wave and at peace and at other times like Im crashing around underneath them not being able to make myself heard how ever loud I shout, as time goes on I will get better at riding these waves and will move on to higher heights and mountain tops. The wind will keep blowing but the branches wont snap, like strong oaks we will find solid ground again.


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Pink...?
Pink...?

Mistress of Pink...Multicoloured
Location: Over There
Member Since: 6th Apr 2002
Total posts: 6140
Posted:Ok for some lighter, funnier news -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7607460.stm
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Rouge Dragon
Rouge Dragon

Insert Champagne Here
Location: without class distinction
Member Since: 21st Jul 2003
Total posts: 13215
Posted:laugh3 laugh3 laugh3 laugh3 laugh3

i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...

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