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evolsoulx
evolsoulx

journeyman
Location: Cincinnati Ohio USA
Member Since: 26th Jul 2004
Total posts: 60
Posted:i'm looking at the video, and people keep telling me to learn it, but i don't see what it actually is, i don't understand what your supposed to do. (i'm probably actually doing it and don't know it, but i need help x.x)

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esmokah
esmokah

journeyman
Location: wisconsin
Member Since: 21st Feb 2005
Total posts: 75
Posted:i know it's already been stressed, but TTN is great for helping with turns or getting an arm out of the way, and a lot more. i never learned it when glowstringing. it just never worked for me. once i got my fire poi set it came naturally and has easily added quite a bit of flair to my routine

I've never seen a supernova blow up, but if it's anything like my old chevy nova it'll light up the night sky!

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Tom_Shill
Tom_Shill

enthusiast
Location: Brighton
Member Since: 19th Dec 2005
Total posts: 213
Posted:OFS, earlier in the thread there's a link to Spherculism where you'll find vids of 5 beat TTNs, It'll destroy your mind though! Can anyone do/explain/both a same-direction TTN? I've seen it mentioned a few times but I've searched and there isn't an explanation on HoP.

Will those capable of telekinesis please raise my hand?

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Tom_Shill
Tom_Shill

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Location: Brighton
Member Since: 19th Dec 2005
Total posts: 213
Posted:*BUMP!* So can anyone do/explain this same-direction TTN business?

Will those capable of telekinesis please raise my hand?

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Rev
Rev

Bastard Newbie Messiah
Location: Apparently lost in my ego
Member Since: 14th Mar 2003
Total posts: 1269
Posted:a ttn is when you twist the arms up one way and then you twist them back the opposite direction.. it works easy with a bf since one hand can twist its direction, and then by twisting the the other hand along its direction, you get the 'counter' twist..

a same direction butterfly is exactly the same.. the difference is that since both poi go the same direction, whichever hand you choose to twist it will -always- result in normal spin one way, and antispin the other..

so I guess the simple answer is to just twist up one side of a weave, and then antispin that same side of the weave, and voila, same direction ttn..


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Tom_Shill
Tom_Shill

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Location: Brighton
Member Since: 19th Dec 2005
Total posts: 213
Posted:That was too easily described to be easily done, hehe. *scuttles off to find some poi*

Cheers Rev


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ApexProject
newbie

Member Since: 17th Jan 2006
Total posts: 5
Posted:i dont get it. at all.

Pull your right hand back to your left elbow like your pulling your sleeve back? wouldnt it wrap your arm?

wth..


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faith enfire
faith enfire

wandering thru the woods of WI
Location: Wisconsin
Member Since: 27th Jan 2006
Total posts: 3556
Posted:it's about timing...
i mean i didn't understand how the butterfly would work when i first started


Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed

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TheWibbler
old hand
Location: New Zealand
Member Since: 11th Apr 2003
Total posts: 920
Posted: Written by: ApexProject



...... wouldnt it wrap your arm?



wth..





Just a regular 2 Beat Butterfly (aka Thread the needle):



(when spinning inwards.) Say your right hand is on top of your left elbow and your right poi is just about to wrap your left arm. You push the right poi forwards, and the left poi back so they don't wrap.



then your left hand is above your right elbow and you do the same. (Left poi just about to wrap right arm, push forward on the left hand and pull back with the right)



The timing is pretty simple. You're spinning in time, so the poi cross each other top and bottom of the circle. Just as the poi pass the top and just start to fall down, you switch your arms front and back (as described above) Wait for the poi to reach the top again, just as they start to fall, switch your arms again.



Here's a video



There's loads of other butterfly variations in there too.



A bit of a rant about terminology. A ttn is a 2 beat butterfly, so the person asking about 4 and 5 beat ttn would mean an 8 or 10 beat butterfly, bit tricky to do more than a 6 beat butterfly (in time with 3 degrees of twist)



So i'm thinking you mean 4 and 5 beat butterfly, which there should be some vids near the link above. But pay no attention to the names cos they are all pretty messed up.



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VampyricAcid
VampyricAcid

veteran
Location: My House
Member Since: 27th Jun 2005
Total posts: 1286
Posted:i am proud to say the holy grail of the 6bt is nearly mine biggrin

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TheWibbler
old hand
Location: New Zealand
Member Since: 11th Apr 2003
Total posts: 920
Posted:Cool that's a pretty crazy pattern. I find the 5 beat more fun and the 6 beat isn't really any harder, just in time instead of split time. The timing is very tight tho huh smile

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ApexProject
newbie

Member Since: 17th Jan 2006
Total posts: 5
Posted: Written by: TheWibbler


 Written by: ApexProject


...... wouldnt it wrap your arm?

wth..



Just a regular 2 Beat Butterfly (aka Thread the needle):

(when spinning inwards.) Say your right hand is on top of your left elbow and your right poi is just about to wrap your left arm. You push the right poi forwards, and the left poi back so they don't wrap.

then your left hand is above your right elbow and you do the same. (Left poi just about to wrap right arm, push forward on the left hand and pull back with the right)




Thanks, that helps alot

more people should explain strange concepts simply..

it makes for everything being easier =)


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TheWibbler
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Location: New Zealand
Member Since: 11th Apr 2003
Total posts: 920
Posted:Cool, glad to be of service, everything in poi is pretty easy once you understand it and don't try to leap ahead of yourself.

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Muskelunge
Muskelunge

member
Location: Chicago
Member Since: 6th Oct 2005
Total posts: 55
Posted:Y'know, everyone has been casting ttn as a building-block move without much visual appeal by itself. But I have found that it does look quite cool if you are spinning flags. One flag will cover the other when it's in front, then the other one will jump in front.
So ttn is less lame than it would seem.


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TheWibbler
old hand
Location: New Zealand
Member Since: 11th Apr 2003
Total posts: 920
Posted:Just cos it's a 2 beat (1 cross) move doesn't make it lame

It's considered a building block because it's absolutely essential to learn.

The differentce between spinners who never cross there arms to those who can do stuff with 1 cross is immense.

2 beat butterflies with flags are great fun

Oonce you start dancing and turning with them they are wicked. They open you up to be able to move where ever you like.


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T&B
T&B

Me
Location: London/Bristol
Member Since: 30th Aug 2003
Total posts: 607
Posted: Written by: TheWibbler


everything in poi is pretty easy once you understand it and don't try to leap ahead of yourself.



Hello Matt is that a new policy of yours, I aways put you down for someone who leaped ahead of themself on a regular basis.


Maybe I should change this too something abit nicer, humm no I still think your all Ccensoredt

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TheWibbler
old hand
Location: New Zealand
Member Since: 11th Apr 2003
Total posts: 920
Posted:no no, there is a very solid foundation to all my madness, all very logical tiny steps. Although i do set my sights pretty high.

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_Clare_
_Clare_

Still wiggling
Location: Belfast
Member Since: 22nd Oct 2002
Total posts: 5967
Posted:Looking forward to the video... is it nearly ready yet? Is it nearly ready yet? Is it? Huh?!!

biggrin


Getting to the other side smile

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T&B
T&B

Me
Location: London/Bristol
Member Since: 30th Aug 2003
Total posts: 607
Posted: Written by: TheWibbler


no no, there is a very solid foundation to all my madness



I think thats way your so annoying tongue

 Written by: FurryPurple

Looking forward to the video... is it nearly ready yet? Is it nearly ready yet? Is it? Huh?!!



I second that smile but hey your a spinning so maybe it'll be ready for next years Christmas market wink


Maybe I should change this too something abit nicer, humm no I still think your all Ccensoredt

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ZeroG
ZeroG

Friendly Fire Fiddler
Location: Munich
Member Since: 21st Dec 2005
Total posts: 103
Posted:Finally cracked TTN after ages ... a cool move and important building block for turns etc methinks.



I cracked it after realising 2 things which confused me in descriptions and Vids and which may be useful for beginners like me:



I'm talking inwards direction.



- Its a hand crossing move much more than a top-down hands move. Go about it like a boxer pushing a cross: cross right fist over left arm then pull left arm back to body and push left fist over right arm, naturally leaving the pushing fists furthest out and on top.



- Its not really a butterfly, so dont go in from a butterfly but from bringing 2 wallplane circles together by crossing arms as stated above.


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faith enfire
faith enfire

wandering thru the woods of WI
Location: Wisconsin
Member Since: 27th Jan 2006
Total posts: 3556
Posted:no i go in from a butterfly

Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed

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oli
not with cactus
Location: bristol/ southern eastern devo...
Member Since: 24th Jul 2003
Total posts: 2052
Posted:yea go in from butterfly and think about potatoes and it should all make sense... umm

Me train running low on soul coal
They push+pull tactics are driving me loco
They shouldn't do that no no no

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Flowa
member

Member Since: 8th May 2006
Total posts: 43
Posted:I can now do TTN but i can't manage split time TTN its driving me nuts!!! any helpful hints?

I LOVE MY BRICK!!!

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faith enfire
faith enfire

wandering thru the woods of WI
Location: Wisconsin
Member Since: 27th Jan 2006
Total posts: 3556
Posted: Written by: oli


yea go in from butterfly and think about potatoes and it should all make sense... umm


why are you looking at me crazy
I do it from a butterfly, I swear
bouncebouncebounce


Faith
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faith enfire
faith enfire

wandering thru the woods of WI
Location: Wisconsin
Member Since: 27th Jan 2006
Total posts: 3556
Posted:

why are you looking at me crazy
I do it from a butterfly, I swear
bouncebouncebounce


Faith
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pitman
pitman

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Location: swansea
Member Since: 9th Mar 2005
Total posts: 544
Posted:it took me a whole year to learn this it just never clicked in my head i learned btb weace and harder tricks well before i learned thread the needel

DONT DO DRUGS THERE BAD FOR YOU.
SO GIVE THEM ALL TO ME AND I WILL GET RID OF THEM FOR YOU!

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faith enfire
faith enfire

wandering thru the woods of WI
Location: Wisconsin
Member Since: 27th Jan 2006
Total posts: 3556
Posted:grrrrrr

Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed

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pitman
pitman

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Location: swansea
Member Since: 9th Mar 2005
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Posted: Written by: faithinfire




why are you looking at me crazy
I do it from a butterfly, I swear
bouncebouncebounce



so do im thats what i thought u had to do? confused


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SO GIVE THEM ALL TO ME AND I WILL GET RID OF THEM FOR YOU!

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skwair
skwair

Member
Location: swampea
Member Since: 13th Sep 2005
Total posts: 44
Posted:this is driving me mental. ive been trying to do thread the needle for a few days, but cant manage it at all. im pretty sure theres just one little bit im going wrong on but cant figure out what. the poi just always get tangled. argh!

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dawn2dusk
dawn2dusk

member
Location: Italy
Member Since: 12th Jan 2005
Total posts: 34
Posted: Written by:

just found out how to do ttn btb, so now I can move between the normal one and the btb one



BTB!! BTB!! BTB!! *___* Wonderful!!! I have absolutely to work on it!!!

(It' s very nice how you have to restart all your understanding of the move you learnt in front of you, when you do that BTB :P it' s gonna be funny - good thing is I already have butterfly BTB - let' s try cool)


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Geeza
Geeza

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Location: Leeds
Member Since: 14th May 2006
Total posts: 694
Posted: Written by: skwair


this is driving me mental. ive been trying to do thread the needle for a few days, but cant manage it at all. im pretty sure theres just one little bit im going wrong on but cant figure out what. the poi just always get tangled. argh!



ha ha. im like that with thread the needle underhand, with normal (poi forward, so swinging inward) it just sort of clicked when i got it.


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