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ChuckS


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Posted:I posted this on a different thread and nobody answered. I really want to know the answer though, so I thought I'd post it as a sperate thread.

Can anyone do a one handed butterfly weave? (Meaning; tell me how to move my hand)

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Durbs
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Posted:Er... Don't think so - is it even possible?

Doesn't a buttefly weave involve TTN's - you can't TTN with one hand...


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coleman
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Posted:ttn just swaps what hand is on top so that you can lead with that poi and avoid tangles.

its not required with one hand.

a 1-handed bf weave is more than possible but i think they look far less beautiful than the 2-handed versions.

odd numbered beat 1-handed bf weaves might not work at all - i've never tried...

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ChuckS


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Posted:Yea, so to actually answer the question...

I know they are possible because I can do it over my head, but as I can't see my hand when it's behind my head I can't work out what I do differently. It must be some twisting of the hand that this position causes me to do.

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Rev
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Posted:start with a one handed split time butterfly...

bounce right...

bounce left..

bounce right...

bounce left...

odd beats... I dunno.. but that works fine.. since same time require more of a hand flip, like taking your hand from in front to bth..


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Durbs
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Posted:but that's not a weave is it?
That's just bouncing a split-time one-handed b/f smile


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Posted:depends on your definition of bf weave... if you can have a 2bt weave (which some say yes) then the same applies with a 2bt bf weave..

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ChuckS


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Posted:That was what I meant, cheers Rev, but...

I'm still not clear. This problem I have is that on the behing 'bounce' I get knotted. I've looked a bit more at what I do over my head and when it goes behind my head it is almost completely upside down. The problem I have now is that my wrist/elbow just wont bend like that to the side and so I need to know what position my hand should be in. I can't work it out.

Any ideas,

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Durbs
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Posted:If you do a split time b/f - instead of going over your head, you can bounce it side-to-side, which is slightly easier smile

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ChuckS


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Posted:Ahha, it suddenly all makes sense. Because I'm doing it splt time it's exactly the same as doing it not split time over my head.

Ahha!

Thanks for that guys, just needed a prod in the right direction.

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Durbs
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Posted:Cool biggrin
But I still don't think it's a one-handed b/f weave wink
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ChuckS


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Posted:Hey Durbs,

Just noticed Guildford is up as your location. I'm going to a Juggling convention at Crawley this weekend which is like, really close to you. Just wondered if you were going.

Chuck S

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Durbs
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Posted:Oh - first i've heard of it smile

Will look into it - cheers for the tip off


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Posted:i'm not going frown

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ChuckS


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Posted:My goodness, you live in harlow!

I live in hertford.

The excitements about to kill me.


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Posted:you start by having the two poi in your good hand.the first poi is in your two fingers the second in your other two.You start play them as one.Then you will try to move the first two fingers a little and then you will notice that the first poi will start spinning ahead of the second.Then it is all a matter of practice.Just do some micro-moves with your fingers and bend your wrists a little bit more.You will find it i am sure...Good luck

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Rev
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Posted:Written by: Durbs

Cool biggrin
But I still don't think it's a one-handed b/f weave wink
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I'm not goign to sruge it... becuase as I said.. some people dont' believe that there is a such thing as a 2bt weave...

and other people don't believe in 6,8,and 10bt bf weaves...


its all perspective.. and what you use as your reference.. (as coleman nicely put in the WW thread biggrin)

I consider weave to be nothing mroe then a follow pattern done from a plane to another plane and back.. (which fits everything from 2bt up, but discounts stuff like reels) so its perspective.. however...

if you do 3/4 of a 2bt ttn.. on the right to 3/4 of a 2bt ttn on the left.. you get a 3bt bf weave.. is that better? ubbloco


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Bzrael
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Posted:funny this comes up now, Ive just sat down from trying to do this (all in vain).
It is possible, but I think it just needs practice and practice and practice.


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Posted:Written by:
Er... Don't think so - is it even possible?

Doesn't a buttefly weave involve TTN's - you can't TTN with one hand...




What a Butterfly weave involves or not is a matter of how you define it. But you can definitely TTN with one hand which is quite difficult but possible (think I posted about this before).
A Change of the Top-Poi (TTN) is even easier when going from one side to the other.

So my answer would be: Butterfly weave onehanded - definitely possible !

good luck and enjoy the pain ubbloco

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