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majik


enthusiast
Location: Byron Bay Australia

Total posts: 231
Posted:I have been fire twirling for 6 years now and am still amazed at

how many talented twirlers are so wraped up in the technical

side of what their doing they forget to move their bodies, where

is the dance? confused confused confused

I believe dancing is such an important part of spinning fire,

because it all becomes one big flowing dance and the poi/staff is

just an extension of the body and when the body dances the

poi/staff will dance with it. I find it's much more beautiful to watch

and to be a part of. ubblove weavesmiley ubblove

It just appears to me that some twirlers put so much importance

on how many moves they have mastered that they forget that

body movement is just as important.

Any thoughts? confused

Thanks smile

ubblovemajik


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psycho44
BRONZE Member since Jan 2004

psycho44

member
Location: , USA

Total posts: 56
Posted:I have seen people spin fire poi at the beach who do maybe 3 or 4 moves only look so much better and more interesting than another who does dozens of moves because they move around more and dance. Personally I am still struggling with this because I don't dance. I have a good amount of moves but can't seem to put them together and move around so I also just kinda stand there and go through the moves. I feel very self consious when I spin because of this.

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Mele
SILVER Member since Oct 2003

Mele

A perth girl gone walkabout...
Location: Back home in Perth WA, Austral...

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Posted:I guess its like the people who forget you can move around.... twirling fire is not about being rooted to one spot... you can move around and dance, and the parts of your body not immediatly involved in spinning can still move around too.

I love twirling to music or drumming, so you can dance to the music while twirling.... altho i know notice when i go to clubs and dance it looks like i'm twirling invisable poi rolleyes


I smile because i have no idea whats going on!! biggrin

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majik


enthusiast
Location: Byron Bay Australia

Total posts: 231
Posted:The main thing is that you are aware of the importance of dancing, so the dance will come with time.
I twirled for about four years before I could let go of my fears and dance in front of people.
It can seem difficult at first to coordinate dancing and spinning, you just start with basic moves and it will come easier.
There are ways of creating dance and movement without going all out dancing.
Levels are good like moving up and down with your arms and/or your knees, shifting weight from one foot to the other and relax. This all helps in creating the dance and a visual feast for the observer and if you smile and look like your enjoying it you'll look fantastic no matter what.
Have fun with it, experiment and watch how other people dance.
I'm sure you'll dance beautifully.
hug weavesmiley smile
ubblove majik


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Jona
BRONZE Member since Aug 2004

journeyman
Location: , United Kingdom

Total posts: 78
Posted:ive just started spining, but find that dancing is one of the main things that i love about it, just standing there spinig doesnt really cut it (and i can only do the weave and butterfly at the moment, so kinda need something else to do!)

YEY! i got the poi down form under the motorway bridge!

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griffin


griffin

feminine tiddly pom
Location: cambs england

Total posts: 505
Posted:i dunno about others, but dancing came to me first, so i started automatically shaking me sassy ass and swaying to beats, whether from poi or music
(o, and poi so easy to write-all the letters are next to each other!)
but its more fun jiggling about too, and makes it more challenging


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Rouge Dragon
BRONZE Member since Jul 2003

Rouge Dragon

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Location: without class distinction, Aus...

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Posted:i was twirling a broomstick staff yesterday and i found that when i was specifically trying to do moves, i wasnt getting too far, but when i just let go and danced with it, i was able to do those moves and more without even trying! yay for dancing!

(and griffin, someone, i think it was pounce, devoted a whole thread to 'poi' being all next to each other! does anyone remember that! it was quite amusing! ubblol)


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Pyrolific
BRONZE Member since Jan 2001

Returning to a unique state of Equilibrium
Location: Adelaide, South Australia

Total posts: 3289
Posted:you got it Majik!

I reckon it is to do with fear - especially with lads. They hide behind their technical moves as if its some kind of a barrier protecting them from the evil gaze of the audience! smile

I reckon there is also something to be said for people who practice in small confined spaces...they need to develop other things to keep them amused, because they cant move.

Its the same with Juggling tho - the vast majority of jugglers think its great if they can juggle without moving anything cept their lower arms, this influence has rubbed off on poi, as its become more and more juggly.

*waits for the dancing while being technical crew to chime in*

Josh


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Ash Blackstar


Ash Blackstar

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Location: San Antonio, Texas, USA

Total posts: 177
Posted:I just seem to take the dance for granted. It seems like I just picked up the chains and immediatlly started dancing. Maybe its just because I started dancing before I tried poi, but I just close my eyes and lose myself in the music. Its like instinct. I do it even without the chains.

I think its a matter of what each individual is comfortable with. Some people aren't really comfortable with letting go that much control.
Love and hugs


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majik


enthusiast
Location: Byron Bay Australia

Total posts: 231
Posted:Thanks, I'm so glad I'm not the only one who has noticed this, I was getting worried that the dance was becoming a forgotten part of twirling. I agree that maybe people are just hidding behind the moves. We need to help them loosen up and let go of their barriers.
Keep dancing everyone.weavesmileyhugweavesmiley
ubblovemajik


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Mint Sauce
BRONZE Member since Sep 2003

veteran
Location: Lancs England

Total posts: 1453
Posted:Hummm!!confused well when I first started it was all about the moves now as the moves got harder and I lost the patients to learn them redface I started to dance more and more. Now I love ubblove to dance with my poi especially as I cant dance without them. biggrin

When you move with the poi it all just flows so much easier once I started to move with the poi I found the more complicated moves came naturally weavesmiley (I just recently got the 4 beat weave or 5 whatever you want to call it totally by accident when I was just spinning to a bit of goldfinger in my room smile). I have a pick if me dancing although it dose just look like I'm running away aghhhh!!! ubblol ubblol

http://www.homeofpoi.com/gallery/showpho...=500&page=1
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before i met those lot i thought they'd be a bunch of dreadlocked hippies that smoked, set things on fire ,and drank a lot of tea but then when i met them....oh wait (PyroWill)

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Madam Flame
BRONZE Member since Jul 2004

Madam Flame

Satisfying HOPs Lust For Fire
Location: Salem, Oregon, USA

Total posts: 308
Posted:I'm new to both staff & poi(I haven't lit the poi yet) & I dance when spinning at home, but as soon as I do it front of others I get so nervous & shaky that if I moved around much I'd drop my staff, which I've done. Until I feel more secure with my staff movements, I'll probably be pretty stationary, but for those people who never decide to move around a whole lot, maybe they see the dance being the way they spin & I think that's ok too.

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pounce
SILVER Member since Jan 2003

pounce

All the neurotic makings of America's lesser known sweetheart
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Posted:yes i mentioned the whole poi letters being next to each other before. but someone else mentioned it to me i think. i can't remember.

there's a thread floating around somewhere about this very subject. when i'm not so busy at work i'll look for it.

but yes, i'm more of a dancer than a technical spinner, but i'm definately getting better with my moves.


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ado-p
GOLD Member since May 2004

ado-p

Pirate Ninja
Location: Galway/Ireland

Total posts: 3882
Posted:I picked up poi for the first time a few weeks ago and really gave them a good spin on fire for the first time this weekend.

I must admit I think i did a bit of a wiggle, bearning in mind we were at a festival and the tunes were nothing less than super groovy.

I dont dance with my staff really, though I do move around quiet a bit and I had a completly different experience spinning the poi, like it affected me in a completly different way, I wanted to dance and found I had more freedom to move those bits that I do while im dancin.

All in all, very nice, I shall endevour to be a wiggly guy in all things poi. wiggly in a manly way mind...


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Durbs
BRONZE Member since Sep 2001

Durbs

Classically British
Location: Epsom, Surrey, England

Total posts: 5688
Posted:I think everyone knows it's a dance, but often, when you go to spin meets people are there to practice (like Spitz or whatever) - If you're trying to learn a new move or clean up planes, you rarely jump around bouncing off the walls smile

As to techy people who really dance well - My top 3 - Drew (Glass), Ros (FNF) and Oli

Apparently one of the differences between UK and Australian spinnesr is the the Aussies move more, where as the UK'ers are much more plane/circle focussed. I can see it in some videos but there's exceptions to every rule. They've got more space in Australia anyway... wink


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Bender_the_Offender
GOLD Member since Nov 2001

Bender_the_Offender

still can't believe it's not butter
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Total posts: 6979
Posted:I heard that in australia that there are technically adept, twirlers with a dancelike flow.
you need not sacrifice one to nurture the other, though it takes much more commitement, sweat and winter-twirling!


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Eveish
GOLD Member since Jul 2004

Eveish

*Tickles pretty strangers*
Location: Australia

Total posts: 610
Posted:I agree that dance is a part of Twirling. How much better is is to twirl to music! The first show that I did with my present fire troupe was at a Psy Trance Rave and we were hired to twirl for them. I danced with sticks in hand for 9 hours straight : ) It is quite cool to work with another twirler too, doing two person moves and dancing with each other at the same time.

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wouac
GOLD Member since Jul 2004

wouac

Poi-tato
Location: Iceberg 319, Canada

Total posts: 183
Posted:I completely agree with the dance aspect of poi but however regretfully have never pulled off a real dance with my poi or staff i owe this mainly to the fact that i just havent had the opportunity to twirl to music and that i was the only fire twirler around for a long time so i couldnt really work with people but i just recently recieved the COL 2 and 4 vids which have opened up new areas for me to try and the second i have my poi back in hand dancing is the sole thing im going to try and master... Also i found that doing the BTB weave was nearly impossible without moving the body

It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potato's.

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Valura
SILVER Member since Apr 2002

Valura

Mumma Hen
Location: Brisbane, Australia

Total posts: 6391
Posted:I ALWAYS dance...I cant help it.

TAJ "boat mummy." VALURA "yes sweetie you went on a boat, was daddy there with you?" TAJ "no, but monkey on boat" VALURA "well then sweetie, Daddy WAS there with you"

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majik


enthusiast
Location: Byron Bay Australia

Total posts: 231
Posted:biggrin

Live, love, laugh and dance!

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_Clare_
BRONZE Member since Oct 2002

_Clare_

Still wiggling
Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland (UK)

Total posts: 5967
Posted:I always try to dance encorporating the moves I know, but I find the music is sooo important when it comes to flow...

If there's loud dancey/techno crap playing I find it really hard to dance smoothly, so I suppose it ends up just going through the moves... but if it's nice and slow funk, or a drumming circle I find it much easier to wiggle smile

And ado, it was your state of mind, not the music, that was super groovy at the weekend ubblol

xx


Getting to the other side smile

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kermit


kermit

overlord and maggot king
Location: heathmont, victoria, australia

Total posts: 171
Posted:you need to dance while poiing, the monkey dance always gets tyhe crowds approval, but yer, i need music to poi to so i can get a dance going with a decent beat aw well, may the music live on, and long live poi
kermit


welcome back to kermits mad land.


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coleman
SILVER Member since Aug 2002

coleman

big and good and broken
Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay, United Kin...

Total posts: 7330
Posted:i move my feet and i shift weight lots but i don't consider myself to be 'dancing'.

i do these things whether i am spinning to music or not.

the only difference music makes is that the speed of my spinning is usually dictated by it (grrrr to techno and d&b for being too damn fast for me and my soft fingers mad) and that my move selection changes depending on musical style.

but to be fair, you said dance is an important part of spinning fire and i generally only spin glow nowdays wink

i know i sound like i'm just being arsey but i'm not - i think there's a difference between deliberate, controlled body movement and dancing.

accentuated posture and timed movements with an object don't make me a dancer.

compare something like a martial arts weapons kata to a form of dance and hopefully at least one person will see where i'm coming from -the body movements in a kata are highly controlled and obviously deliberate but are dictated more by how the weapon is best used, rather than by forcing the weapon to move with you.

hmmm - am i getting onto a 'do we control the poi or do the poi control us?' area here...? umm wink


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majik


enthusiast
Location: Byron Bay Australia

Total posts: 231
Posted:The question is whether we want to control or to be controled
Whether the movement is deliberate or freeflowing it is still dancing. Even deliberate moves are still rythmic and dance is rythmic movement. Then I consider most marcial arts a form of dance also.

Sorry, I should have been more exact "SPINNING ANYTHING"
it doesn't matter what your using for effect.

Keep movin'
ubblovemajik


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ado-p
GOLD Member since May 2004

ado-p

Pirate Ninja
Location: Galway/Ireland

Total posts: 3882
Posted:I get ya Cole



I met a guy at the weekend who used alot of martial arts moves in his spinning.



He handed the staff baack to me though, saying "My saftey switch says i should stop. Im following the staff and it should be following me"



He moved alot everywhere and looked cool and was in time with the music. But he wasnt dancin, no way siree, not a wiggle.



Its a home truth that you wigling makes poi seem more fluid though. I saw it last night when myflat made did a lovely smooth turn that i cant do. And i cant do it because i dont move my ass out of the way,.



There is a lot of synergy in poi and staff trwirling, I think by combining differnent energies (rythym, music, equipment, momemtum, body, flame, glow) the effect can have endless loverly combinations.



Personally, i think smiling helps alot, i dont do it often enough but i love to see it.


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majik


enthusiast
Location: Byron Bay Australia

Total posts: 231
Posted:smile

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Bender_the_Offender
GOLD Member since Nov 2001

Bender_the_Offender

still can't believe it's not butter
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Total posts: 6979
Posted:heh it must be a tradition around the world to f'wirl @ psy doofs smile

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Mele
SILVER Member since Oct 2003

Mele

A perth girl gone walkabout...
Location: Back home in Perth WA, Austral...

Total posts: 396
Posted:Written by: bender™

heh it must be a tradition around the world to f'wirl @ psy doofs smile



I doubt there is anywhere better?!
Love twirling at psy doofs!! ubblove
Fabulous people, and fabulous music and the vibe is always fantastic!


I smile because i have no idea whats going on!! biggrin

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Bender_the_Offender
GOLD Member since Nov 2001

Bender_the_Offender

still can't believe it's not butter
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Total posts: 6979
Posted:certainly i hear more about psytance in firetwirling forumness
than i do firetwirling in psy forums.
both include alot of ice cream discussions.


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Eveish
GOLD Member since Jul 2004

Eveish

*Tickles pretty strangers*
Location: Australia

Total posts: 610
Posted:mmm... ice cream.....

What if I should fall right through the centre of the Earth and come out the other side where people walk upside-down?!

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Glåss
DIAMOND Member since Nov 2001

Glåss

The Ministry of Manipulation
Location: Bristol, United Kingdom

Total posts: 2523
Posted:Dance ubblove



spot on majic, josh and cole for lots of things for me to agree with



dance is a physical interpretation of music in movement and poise



it don't mean a thig if it aint got that swing



(from a drew who is spending a year unlearning technical moves and learn LOTS of dance)


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