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ado-p
GOLD Member since May 2004

ado-p

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Posted:*edit*

so i reckon this thread will hold a record of the new things and stuff im learning along the way, all input of any kind is welcome...

*edit*



*where was I? oh yeah here, The elbow, arm, arm elbow roll*



Its simple really, I cant do it.



I've seen some real nice clips of this move (Thankyou MCP/Glass) but I still seem to be missing somthing fundamental.



So I take the staff in my right hand, bring it accross my body under my extended left elbow and roll. extend left arm and let staff roll onto right arm. Bring staff back towards body on right arm



Now here is the problem, it just stops working there, I think i might be missing an extra beat/spin or something. Or it it could be the position of my wrist. Dont ask me what my wrist is doin, it goes all wonky in a natural reaction to the feeling of the staff falling off when i start bending my right arm on the way back in,



Any ideas?



If I can get this I'll move onto to trying to combine it with a shoulder rool and a turn to get it across my back and other shoulder.



I'm hoping to put up a clip soon, not of what i cant do but of what I can, after six months it's be cool to get some HOP feedback.


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Lavatwilight
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Posted:i use my dyslexia as an excuse :P

sorry!!

ah well i can do them halo's i think smile im having problems with my doubles at the mo, i cnat remeber the patterns i should move in :s


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ado-p
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ado-p

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Posted:got back in the saddle last night

what fun. i must of spent a solid hour just dancin round the place. we were busking but i didnt even bother to light it most of the time.

the stick just felt like it stuck to me. no tech tricks, no planes. just spinny dancy madness and an attempt at continious contact spinning, which i dont think i ever tried before.

oh what fun


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Kyle McLean
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Posted:Written by: ado-p

no tech tricks, no planes. just spinny dancy madness and an attempt at continious contact spinning, which i dont think i ever tried before.

oh what fun


YES!. Yes yes and yes!. wave ubbloco help hehe tongue clap


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mcp
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Posted:Live it up ben, just cos you got TIME to spin... I haven't spun properly since the EJC really. Just bits and pieces all over the place.

Plus did manage dual fishtails in plane, with good timing, for about ten full fishtails at lunchtime, which was nice. Half the time I start to get into same time dual fishtails by accident.

Plus can almost do antti's throwing move continously. 231 I think it is.


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ado-p
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Posted:me is muchly liking throws of late.

i like same direction parrallell stuff. throws underarm.

and why, o why can i not get a btb halo entry confused

hug for Kyle smile


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Dentrassi
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Dentrassi

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Posted:Written by: mcp

ahhhhh smooth btb entry halo rolls to btb exit.



i love it when i nail that move - also nice in a doubles combo when you pass the other staff bth with your free hands at the same time as the halo. requires some nifty fast hand work though..

am playing around with a the matrix cartwheel concept. it involves throwing myself at random angles onto the ground and getting injured. its good fun though... biggrin

im afraid im completely smitten with contact ball juggling at present so havent had much time for my trust old staff.


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Nate
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Posted:argh contact juggling's fun.....i cant do much but its sooo fun

i got some nice fishtail things recently like where i do reverse fishtails, turn to one side throw it from a fishtail catch it on the back of myhand slightly more to one end so it stops still throw it up again so it goes the other direction and turn into reverse fishtails facing the other way fromwhence i started

thats fun and simple...

ive had a savagely bad back recently so i havent learnt much else

mcp, that sounds pretty cool smile i was working on loads of btb halo entry things before my back [censored] up


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Kyle McLean
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Posted:Nice one Dentrassi smile
I've been playing with some upside down wacky matrix variants too. All in the arm swinging maybe? hehe
Crazy stuff there, but my play time is being all eaten up by ball juggling just now redface


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ado-p
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ado-p

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Posted:Played Looooaaaaads with halo turns over the weekend

Been getting some nice halo, snes, jesus combos (learned the halo entry for the jesus too)

Almost got a continious jesus, two 360's so far

and been playing more with stalls (long one handed types like knox does in his vid. tasty indeed) and traps/bounces. All sorts of craziness especially when its all mixed up with the above.

got a brand spankin new pratise staff two. its the best stick i've ever touched. it just climbs around my body.

one of the lads nailed a matrix on saturday night.


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mcp
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Posted:Hoop batons!

Gotta make me one of those!


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ado-p
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Posted:One?

You mean one in each hand right?


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mcp
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Posted:well ideally at least three, one for each hand and one to roll over your back. I wonder what baton-hoop crosses would be like?

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ado-p
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Posted:righto



back of the neck. i have one. so do you smile



finally i've learned what my shoulder blades are really for (aside for moving my arms around of course)



so got some of these



full steve



full neck wrap



full spins on back of the neck



other assorted stevey type things using traps and bounces.



two to three spins on the back of my neck!!! is it possible to keep the pace more consistant here?



lots of silly combinations of all of the above



i been spending an hour or so every night wandering around my sitting room trying to keep the stick spinning on my back, neck or any other available body part. Its a fun game. there is a lot of wobbling around but some lovely moves are coming along too.



should have started practising horizontal ages ago.



thanks to fear-tine for the inspiration hug



also got a consistant (probable be gone next week) Halo Neck Halo Chest Halo Chest.



where can you go from a jesus on the front side? i keep ending up back in a halo ?



I need to find a way to impart more spin to the staff while nudging it back into plane for these kind of things. I can trap it and send it flying back int he other direction alright but otherwise i end up with a slowing tilting stick as the combos progress


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mcp
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Posted:throat wraps from front side halos...

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ado-p
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Posted:oooohhhh

damn my manly adams apple


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mcp
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Posted:and from there you can go anywhere! Hong kong, japan...

"the now legendary" - Kaskade
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Nate
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Posted:im going japan twice next year! lol


sounding cool mcp, cant wait tilll april to meet you:) oh how you inspired me so with your matrix tutorial and your site....oh your site, puire brilliance thank you


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ado-p
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Posted:woooooo!!!

start a steve and spin in the direction the staff is spinning.

instead of letting the staff roll down your arm keep it out and drop it a bit. stall the stick perpendicular to your arm on the back of your hand. keep spinning.

loads of things you can do here. i've been doing steve type things for the most part.

not today though. if you drop your hand and lift it back up again. the staff will stall a bit and you can throw it up off the back of your hand, let it rotate and catch in another stall on the other hand.

bounce2

you should be well dizzy by now too.

bounce2

i also got a full pirroutte using only hand rolls. came out of an elbow trap.

hand rolls, wall plane.

if you move an elbow trap way down your arm you can catch it on the inside of your wrist using the very base of your hand thumbside and your forearm you can lock the staff and turn it by twisting you arm. if you do this and turn 180 the staff will go behind you and still be on your wrist. the back of your wrist should be facing skywards and the stick on top of it reay to transfer into the other wrist lock position. which is the same thing in reverse. turn 180

that wrist lock is dead handy

and last but not least, i finally , finally got a halo neck roll halo turning on the spot. using a hook turn. which basicly means cross your legs and spinning out of it. if you've been reading this thread you'll know that this has been buggin me for a long time

so ado-p is a happy camper

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Nate
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Posted:woo good for you man

i love getting things clean after sooo long of them looking .....well dirty lol

improved my matrixing before my back fncked up again


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ado-p
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Posted:yeah man, it cheered me up no end.

im still no near a matrix. though it would help if i could practisea anything for more than five minutes at a time smile

imagine. 25 people all doing a matrix....


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mcp
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Posted:finally got pendulum/hand wrap thread the needle with doubles. Both ways. Hmmmmmmm.

In terms of contact, I think I almost did an anti-spin angel roll. Hard to tell though. But it feels nice, nicer than an angel.


"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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Lavatwilight
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Posted:how do you "thread the needle"? that i may have worked out, may not have :P

got some stuff going from waist, to legs yesterday, thats something new to play with, kinda linx like, but the other way round (not that good yet tho)


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B) it does not look as good on film

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Posted:now do the waist-legs thing but do it with doubles, alternating, and taking the staves back from lower leg to waist as they drop. a bit like a cascade. oh, and you've got to waddle forwards at the same time, in order to pull it off (or at least waddle. i think)

make it look elegant and i'll buy you a pint smile

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Posted:give me a few months, and you'll owe me that pint smile ....maybe

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Kyle Mclean-
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A) it does feel as good
B) it does not look as good on film

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mcp
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Posted:WOOOOO!

Dual reverse fishtails! On Fire! For as long as I wanted.... Hmmmmm. (With slippy four foots too) The second time thou, I forgot how to stop, duh!

In other news: Things to learn after you learn dual fishtails: Dual forwards fishtails, stopping and reversing direction using a back of the hand stall, dual fishtails to propellors and dual fishtail 360's. Hmmmmmmm. I almost broke the mirror in my room with that one...


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Lavatwilight
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Posted:Mcp that sounds ****ing cool!!!!!!!!!!
new vid soon?


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B) it does not look as good on film

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ado-p
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ado-p

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Posted:i'd act all surprisded and shocked and delighted but im not.

im sulking.

damn fishtails

*storms off*


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mcp
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Posted:two months of solid work went into dual fishtails... and it's not like the new things are even getting visa to visit the borders of solid...

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ado-p
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Posted:nice one

i cant do solid practise. i do five minutes and try something else. then something else then some thing else. works for me but makes things take longer.

there is bound to be a fish shop at uberstaff. you shall be top of the class young cp


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mcp
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Posted:I hopefully will be the one doing weird [censored] with doubles that nobody else does, cos I made it up in my bed room. But knoxious is like that too, except he made it up in australia with lots of girlies.

My flatmate stole my towel today, so I am still blackened...

Plus filming commenced on sunday for the great posing showdown between us in ed and ben-ja-men.

If ben reads this: 3ccd, 16 bit, 2000 pound camera... Hmmmmm. It's the most gorgeous looking camera ever: http://consumer.usa.canon.com/ir/controller?act=ModelDetailAct&fcategoryid=114&modelid=10350
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more buttons than an airplane cockpit! Yeah baby! I might pm him this... Hmmm.


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