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_Aime_SILVER Member
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Location: Hastings, United Kingdom


Posted:
Ok following today's talk by some nurse at school today I think this subject deserved a thread.
The amount of sex ed at my school (or rather the lack of it) really does worry me. I started a thread a while back concerning the numerous amount of pregnant girls at my school and I can't stop thinking that perhaps the proper sex education, these situations could have been avoided.
Today all the year 11 girls were hushed into the hall and this woman with a slideshow presentation began to tell us all about the wonder that is - periods. Sorry to be frank but, 2 years too late love.
I mean this was *really* basic stuff, the kind of info you get when you first join year 7, and yes its important to know but what, we're all 15 comming up 16 now. Surely its basic knowledge by now.
Surely this time would have been better spent talking about contreception? or STD's? or what emotional and/or physical ties come along with sex?
The talk only slightly broke the surface on the symptons of STD's and then quickly moved back onto telling us what tampons were. And we even got our own little 'goodie bag' at the end of the talk *rolls eyes*
We've had one lesson where we got to put a condom on a test tube, but no talk involved. The embarresed teacher buried her head in a book for most of the lesson.
And surely we're old enough to have mixed sex ,sex ed. classes now? nor have we even has a male teacher for one of these classes. and might I add that we havn't even touched on homosexuality or gay sex.
I think that most of britain (most not all) has a problem with sex education, and that most of these horrid situations that people wished they'd never gotten themself's into (pregnacy, STD's) could've been avoided with the right education.

Feel free to comment, state opinions and/or hurl rotten tomatoes at me smile

Aimz xx

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Posted:
Written by: Burzaruka


Actually, Mand, since homosexuality is a sin, it can be forgiven like all other sin, I could very well see you at the pearly gates. Don't be so quick to sell yourself short.




I don't sell myself short at all.
I don't believe homosexuality to be a sin, and I don't want forgiveness from your god or anybody else's.
So I guess I won't see you at the pearly gates.

Following Dom's request from his post earlier, this is the last I have to say on the matter. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

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MikeGinnyGOLD Member
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Location: San Francisco, CA, USA


Posted:
Xu,

I just want to not be the subject of a civil rights movement. To some people, I'm automatically a hero. Being gay makes me "cool" to people who would otherwise want nothing to do with me. It makes me "evil" to people who would otherwise respect me. It makes me and my relationships into a controversy.

What I want is a stable relationship that will eventually lead to a loving family. I wish that the world would let people like me just be without taking a double-take when I talk about my boyfriend. I wish I didn't have to come out to everyone. I wish I didn't have to worry about discrimination, about getting beat up, about all the bulls**t that I have to deal with just because I happen to be attracted to men.

I wish that people like Burz either didn't exist or that they were treated like white supremacists are today; as sick, evil, twisted, hate-filled people.

Now, excuse me. I'm going to take my sinful self and go and save some babies' lives.

-Mike

Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella



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MeleSILVER Member
A perth girl gone walkabout...
396 posts
Location: Back home in Perth WA, Australia


Posted:
Back on the Sex Ed topic - My yr 12 Human Biology teacher was a bit of a nut - He taught the class by referring to Hermie Spermie and Gladys the Egg, forming little bambinos when Mummy & Daddy went ompa ompa - Hello?? 17 year olds?? I had a more grown up approach to sex ed in the classes we had in year 6, and yr 7, and yr 8!! rolleyes

I smile because i have no idea whats going on!! biggrin


Burzarukaenthusiast
233 posts

Posted:
Lightning, I don't hate you, I'm not sick nor am I twisted, I don't agree with what you claim to be, nor do I feel it should grant you any special privlege, nor am I about to sit there and let your choice of a lifestyle corrupt people any longer.

You can't choose your parents, but you can choose your lovers. You can't choose your skin color, but you can choose who you are attaracted to.

Lightning save all the lives that you can, but why don't you start with your own?

wouacGOLD Member
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Location: Iceberg 319, Canada


Posted:
well the whole fack that it seems what most people seem to say british schools are for the most part embarassed to engage in sexual conversations with there students is remarkably funny to me I live in canada and perhaps its just where i grew up but as far back as about grade 5 i think is when we first started getting sex ed and i lived on an island so the teacher presenting this to u is probly your best friends dad dunno but by the time i made it to grade 11 the teachers were so open that i had some of them talking to me about there adventures with drugs and how theyd sample anything and the only thing keeping them off trying heroine was thinking theyd like it... so i dont know if alot of canadian schools are like this or only just mine and the fact that i lived in a small community and people were pretty promiscuous and what not but it seems funny to me that people would still shy away from such topics...especially with todays media

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Burzarukaenthusiast
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Posted:
The philosiphy in the school room of one generation will be the philosiphy of the government in the next.

flash fireBRONZE Member
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Posted:
Written by: Dm


People!!!! you're going nowhere here, apart from grossly off topic

Everyone: Burzaruka believes every word in the bible is true and nothing will change his mind, it's closed to you. If you want to try the tired old arguements or discuss homosexuality then please do so via PM.

Burzaruka: You're not going to change anyone's minds either.

As we've said before, leave religion out of this discussion. If you feel you can't do this then do not post.




As Dom said, take it outside guys... and stay on topic.

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Posted:
Written by: Burzaruka


The philosiphy in the school room of one generation will be the philosiphy of the government in the next.




and thats why we keep the emphasis in schools on Education rather than Indoctrination.

Josh

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TwirlyShoryuken!
233 posts
Location: Hexham, Newcastle, England


Posted:
Written by:

The philosiphy in the school room of one generation will be the philosiphy of the government in the next.




Jebus I wish that were true. My philosophy class last year consisted of one neo-nazi, a couple of middle of the road/right wingers and the rest of us were uber-liberal/anarco.

By the last year of school, with roughly 300 people in our year, you would have been hard pressed to find 20 people who would even consider voting conservative. Religeon was no longer the norm - finding out that someone was christian usually came as a suprise.

Going down to oxford uni for an interview came as such a kick in the balls - most of the people I met were just wanabe Tony Blairs. Politics students at Oxford are the people who will be in government in 20 years - and from what I saw they were mostly just same old same old.

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DuncGOLD Member
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Location: The Middle lands, United Kingdom


Posted:
My aplogies for not reading the other 99 posts but don't have time so I hope this comments has & hasn't been posted before wink

Poor sex ed in the UK stems from a culture based problem. We hide, shrowd and cover it up like it doesn't exist. If our culture was more open and easy going then so would our education. If parents talked more (personally I think this is way more important that the school version) to their children and raised them in a household that was sexually aware our problem would be greatly reduced. Also the culture in the country of a lot of younger folks (under 16 I meam) is apalling when it comes to responsibility in general never mind just sex.

I'm just sooo thankful that my Mom is a realist and raised us with truth in our minds not bullshite and fantasy about the real world and adulthood.

So basically what I'm saying is education starts in the home, if the adults were raising their kids properly the schools would only need to top this up with some medical facts and figures. Underage pregnancy and stoopid attitudes from life come from the way our kids are raised and thus the society we live in, not the education received at school. If the parents can't be bothered to do the job (and surely they know how sex works wink) they shouldn't blame the schools for not teaching the kids properly when a 14yo girl gets pregnent.

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GelflingBRONZE Member
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Location: Chepstow & Bristol, United Kingdom


Posted:
Very true Custom. Pupils are very good at knowing their rights but are useless when it comes to knowing about the responsability that comes with their rights.

However, I work at Hartcliffe School where the average child has very little general knowledge, which is probably indicative to the lack of child parent communication. Half the parents seem to think that school is a baby sitting service. Education starting at home is great when the parents are educated themselves, or even mature enough to even have children. Therefore, schools like Hartcliffe have a responsability to deliver social skills lessons to the same standard as maths, English and science.

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pounceSILVER Member
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Location: body in Las Vegas, heart all around the world, USA


Posted:
very true bug, but how and where would the parents get the information? wink

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MiGGOLD Member
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Location: Bogged at CG, Australia


Posted:
hmm, the convo gets cleaned out before i get a chance to reply to it. ah well.

sex ed. well, here in aust (btw, i went to a pretty crusty catholic school in what most people would consider outback australia, but it was pretty big, really, considering), from what i can remember, we had about an hour, total, in year 8, which would be when i was 11 or 12, i think. these two half hour sessions consisted of class segregation into male and female, piled into a room with a vcr, and watch this cartoon about kids in puberty. gee, thanks guys, i certainly know what to look for if im worried about stds (i actually only learnt of that term in that use a couple of years back, given that my old man was a telephone technician, STD always meant Subscriber/Standard Trunk Dialing). needless to say, that created a bit of confusion. The internet held a lot of the information i was looking for, and general sense helped me work out the rest, like not knowing what STD meant.

Here, nearly all of the cirriculum is set by the school, with the education board watching over their backs. usually, there is a minimum amount of hours or lessons that need be taught regarding various subjects. whether that minimum should be raised for sex ed, i dont know. maybe more information in that time, rather than a video thats older than i am.

Let's face it though, there arent many areas in schooling that don't need to be overhauled. sex ed may very well be the first subject that should be looked at, but it all needs to be done.

And yes, we do need to teach more sides of the story. Having nothing said about being gay, or worse, being told gay is bad, really isnt going to help anyone. least of all a young lad, confused by his feelings towards other lads. Having someone that is gay, someone that isnt, someone that used to be, someone thats bi, they're all people that should be speaking. The problem is, there is the current social stigma of those sorts of people (note, no offence intended by that statement, its simply the easiest generalisation to use), talking to children. the social stigma of 'i dont want that weirdo talking to my children'.

One thing though, education, while maybe wavering over the last 10-20 years, is definitely on the increase. can you imagine the amount of sex ed taught 50, 100, 200 years ago? what we learn today is miles ahead of what children learnt then. and it will only ever grow. the generation in school now will be a bit more liberal in their teachings, the generation they teach will be a little moreso, and so on.

course, we could always just go the way they did in demolition man, with sylvester stallone. anyone seen that, and know what im talking about?

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Rouge DragonBRONZE Member
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Location: without class distinction, Australia


Posted:
i remeber my primary school organising evenings that were aimed at certain age groups (ie: one for grades 1 and 2, another for 3/4 and another for 5/6). i was in grade 4, i think, and went to the 3/4 and the 5/6 one with my mother. so that was periods and the like.

in grade 6 i had changed school to a K-12 college and sex ed left me in tears. there was a few days of maybe an hour each (from memory) and girls got taught the girl stuff and guys got taught the guys stuff. all i can really remember from it was that the nurse contradicted herself so many times and made me cry myself to sleep! she was saying that (quoted from my 6 years ago memory) "girls who are overweight or obese will experience these changes before everyone else" and she looked straight at me as she said it!

at my school we can choose all our own subjects, but there are two health classes we have to do or we dont pass those years. yr7 does a sex ed, and yr9 does a drug ed. however i felt that they were a bit too late because there was nothing knew in what i got taught.

i think i learnt most things from magazines and TV. my family dont have the kind of relationship where we can talk about these kinds of things.

i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

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_Aime_SILVER Member
Carpal \'Tunnel
4,172 posts
Location: Hastings, United Kingdom


Posted:
yah see this is why i don't make threads often cos people make big long replies with big clever words which i can never replie too tongue
(been absent for a while sorry guys, stupid thunderstorm blew up the modem)

education starts at home. my family and I have always believed in that. We are very open about things and alwayts have been. Some of my friends families are not so. take my friend R, her dad is a Doctor for christ's sake and they just don't talk about anything. It came to me the other day that if family is more open then the child is more readily open to take on sex ed lessons.
Thinking back to the condom lesson,a friend told me she was the only one that would touch it, the others poked it with a ruler as if it were road kill. and she is quite an open person.
ALSO i know this is going to sound *really* bad I made the connection between open familys is the area they live in, or in fact, how posh they are *cringes* Friend R and A live in an area of sussexcalled Little Common. Very la-di-da area with big expensive houses, and they are ver conservative (is that the word) where as people like me, or friend J, live in not very expensive areas and are quite open about everything really.

i've just spent and hour and 10 minutes reading those posts and now my brain hurts - im going back to sleep.

Aimz xx

meepSILVER Member
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344 posts
Location: Midlands - nr cov, United Kingdom


Posted:
MY school didn't teach sex ed either. We had the "tampon talk" at 12, but the only sex ed was flowers.

We had PSE, but teachers weren't allowed to discuss being gay then (and therefore for us, HIV went out too.)

Clause 28 isn't legal anymore, it was abolished last year, except for one county in the southeast (i forget which) that decided to keep it.

I'm gay, and as far as i know, i've hurt no one. it's ridiculous to say you can't ever hurt anyone tho. That would mean that you ALWAYS did what everyone else wants. And if two people want conflicting things, you can't do both. In this case, you just have to be true to yourself.

Self harm and *why*? Because it works. It deals with the problem that instant, and as Gelfling said, it makes emotional pain *real*

:o)

So, go now, promote homosexuality. You may get your toaster oven yet ;o)

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Tao StarPooh-Bah
1,662 posts
Location: Bristol


Posted:
i don't really think you can compare someone cutting themself or killing themself to being gay or bi, that's like saying 'why would someone choose to be black when there's so much racism around?'

al you do when you make these comparisons is dempostrate to people how little you know about other lifestyles.

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BurningByronmember
340 posts
Location: Australia


Posted:
I teach teenagers about sex, drugs and alcohol in highschools through a volunteer program for and run by medical students.

We rock up to highschools in and do crazy skits to make them laugh a bit, then show them very graphic, real pictures of STDs which freaks some of them out (kills my sex drive for a day or so to). We then sit them down in small groups with a box of contraceptives, continue to discuss STDs further and show them what contraceptives are all about, running over pros and cons, how they function and how to use them and even some alternatives to sex. We discuss lots of different sexual issues including homosexuality (if it comes up, often highschools are way to homophobic for kids to feel safe enough to ask about it) and rape (what the minimum requirements are for someone to give consent). Often if I have a group of boys sitting with me, I give them some advice about girls like how their minds can work in relation to sex, how not to get falsely accused of rape, why putting pressure on girls for sex is actually self defeating, self esteem issues relating to sexual acceptance, legal responsibilities if they end up getting a girl pregnant, access to doctors, confidentiality laws doctors must abide to, health care cards and lots of other handy things young guys should be aware of. I often get asked about my own experiences which I happily tell them about (within reason of course).

If I get a group of "experienced" girls together, it is often a session of clarifing myths about STDs, contraception, rape, pregnancy, confidentiality laws for doctors, parental rights (or lack of rights) to access their childrens medical records smile

I love doing the session and the kids learn so much too. The amount of incorrect information that teenagers get fed is shocking. Religion should stay the hell out of medical science, the amount of damage they have done and can do by proselytising their pseudo-science crap is not ok.

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meepSILVER Member
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344 posts
Location: Midlands - nr cov, United Kingdom


Posted:
Byron, that sounds like something we could seriously do with here. Some schools in London now have a woman who goes around with dildos and condoms and teaches kids about it. she answers questions as well. I saw a documentary on it. It was very frank, and very useful and nothing like I've ever seen or heard of in a UK school before smile

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PyroWillGOLD Member
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Location: Staines, United Kingdom


Posted:
sex education at my school was given by a priest!! what the hell is that about, call me whatever u want but i don't really think a priest is the most aptly trained person to give advice on sex issues now is he

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caz86Twister Fire Starter ridin on a tratter
156 posts
Location: Bristol/Exeter UK


Posted:
Ok I have read all the post....and now I wish I'd been here to comment from the beginning but never mind! I am trying really hard to avoid the whole Christianity and homosexuality issue because a) I'm to drunk b) I'll probably get this post deleted and c) I'm trying to respect other people's view points. But if it all goes ass-backwards and I comment then feel free to ignore it!

Sex education in my school was a pile of shite. Got taught loads about periods but NOTHING about stds or contraception and a bit of the scientific stuff "sex from an animal point of view." So in conclusion it was crap.

I was also unlucky.. that as in many English homes, sex is a bit of a taboo subject in mine. You can talk about it openly but it is never discussed.

But for some strange reason I've evolved increadibly open and unembarresed talking about sex. Possibly after the things I've read about missionaries and AIDS in the third world.

After travelling Europe with a my two friends I've seen that other countries are so uninhibited about sex and we communally decided that we need to work to destroy this stupid taboo which is, fundementally, recking everyone's lives!

If I could work out how to put photos on here I'd show you the Amsterdam Condomerie pics, and the vending machienes on our Swiss campsite and the educational pictures in Berlin.

In summary. It seems that most of us agree that no education, bad education and deeply rooted social taboos aren't good at all. But how do we move a society who are, for the majority, too english and too embarrased to say sexually transmitted disease into a society which knows what an STD is, knows that they need to take preventative precautions regarding them and prioritised openess about sex throughout generations!

Ideas? Comments? Tomatoes?

Caz

Caz


CantusSILVER Member
Tantamount to fatuity
15,965 posts
Location: Down the road, United Kingdom


Posted:

Non-Https Image Link


as requested...

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caz86Twister Fire Starter ridin on a tratter
156 posts
Location: Bristol/Exeter UK


Posted:
Cheers! How do you do that?!

Caz


CantusSILVER Member
Tantamount to fatuity
15,965 posts
Location: Down the road, United Kingdom


Posted:
do what?

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DentrassiGOLD Member
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3,044 posts
Location: Brisbane, Australia


Posted:
grow tomatoes?

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caz86Twister Fire Starter ridin on a tratter
156 posts
Location: Bristol/Exeter UK


Posted:
no put photo's on! I feel so taunted!

Caz


CantusSILVER Member
Tantamount to fatuity
15,965 posts
Location: Down the road, United Kingdom


Posted:
are we dragging the subject off topic at all?

perhaps we should discuss this in PMs.


Just a thought.

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BurningByronmember
340 posts
Location: Australia


Posted:
A couple of people have pm'd me regarding information I give in these sessions, so if I get the time and no-one objects too strongly, I will post some stuff up after the string of mid semester exams I am completing now! If anyone has any specific questions they want answered in regards to stds contraception, pregnancy, Aussie doctors, rape, confidentiality, sexual acceptance, ....etc... pretty much anything, either post up here or PM me!!! I can promise you, you cant ask anything more embarressing than I have asked or been asked!!

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GnorBRONZE Member
Carpal \'Tunnel
5,814 posts
Location: Perth, Australia


Posted:
I would certainly appreciate it. As a parent out of touch with kids today and a 10yold boy it will be good.
Thanks Byron

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_Aime_SILVER Member
Carpal \'Tunnel
4,172 posts
Location: Hastings, United Kingdom


Posted:
thanks for your help bryon hug

If only we had u sorta peopel in the UK

*walks away mumbling censored-ing tampax tracy my arse*



edit- oh! and guess what? another girl from my school had her baby yesterday >.< not even 16 yet....
EDITED_BY: *Aime* (1094034364)

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