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sammie
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Location: UK
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Posted:...has anyone managed to crack into the world of (painless) behind the back poi.I'm not talking butterflies, but full on weave/train and chicken oriental moves.......and what type of fire poi are best for this (wires (can't believe I nearly wrote whips!!
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Elemental666
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Location: Bville, OK
Member Since: 22nd Feb 2005
Total posts: 45
Posted:hmmmm, ok I just dicked around with the 3bt btb, I can get in from either side when doing a reverse 3btb, but that's it, once i'm in I"m screwed, my pio get locked up tight on the opposite side. lemme see if I can esplain...

doing 3bt reverse, on right side instead of right hand going under and to the left, it goes behind the back and to the left, right hand comes over to the right as normal for its 1 beat then I start to turn my body (while leaning forward) and bring my left hand back and to the right, right hand finishes its second beat and starts to move to the right and whammo, all twisted and locked up, they meet above my head and lock up tighter than Indiana's whip... I'm not hitting myself at though, so that's good.

Any idea what's going on back there?


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PoiElf
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Location: Leicesthershire, England
Member Since: 5th Mar 2005
Total posts: 19
Posted:Hey!
Speaking as someone who has just cracked btb 3 beat weave, my advice to anyonme trying it is to try the wrists movements without the poi first, then try it with them with your eyes shut. I worked for me...o and try it with the lightest, shortest poi youve got first!! I had two weeks of briused legs and only got the hang of it when i tried lighter poi, lol, common sense really.
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Mr_Chutney
Mr_Chutney

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Location: Herefordshire
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Posted:Also- anyone wishing to move to 5bt BTB weaves should note that it really helps to accentuate the turns of the body along with adding the extra wrist-crossed beats- I finally cracked reverse BTB 5bt this way the othe night biggrin

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mtbeer
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Location: Charlotte, NC, USA
Member Since: 11th Aug 2004
Total posts: 529
Posted:Been working on BTB butterfly weaves... it's like learning them all over again. I figured they would be easy if you could do the BTB chase and most butterfly weave combos but I'm having no luck so far....

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Mr_Chutney
Mr_Chutney

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Location: Herefordshire
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Posted:Can't say I've tried them yet, but now I'm getting back into BTB stuff I''ll have a crack- let us know if you have any epoiphanies MT smile

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CanadainK9
CanadainK9

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Location: Calgary (for now)
Member Since: 14th Feb 2005
Total posts: 4
Posted:Hey there folks,

I am hoping to refresh the question of stretches for BTB poi (weaves in particular). I feel that my BTB stuff would be far better with just a wee bit of extra flexibility.

As for the male body bit - I'm 6'3 with shoulders about as broad as they get. If I can get around them anyone can. That being said, perhaps wee little people may have an edge on us big foks smile.
Those wondering how to get into them may wish to push themselves a bit less. You'll get there, it just takes time. Someone once posted on here (forget who) that it's good to start with btb butterfly and then move on. For me, one I had the BTB butterfly down the weave was easy. I'm just working on getting to the point where I don't wack my head all the time.spank

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JauntyJames
JauntyJames

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Location: Hampshire College, MA, USA
Member Since: 22nd Dec 2004
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Posted:mk, what do you all call forward and reverse behind the back? i'd consider going from a reverse swing into a btb weave a forward weave, because from the that point of view, the poi are going forward. i dunno, mabey i'm just silly

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spiralx
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Location: London, UK
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Posted:If you go from a reverse weave in front of you to BTB that's a reverse BTB weave - the poi haven't changed directions after all.

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Rev
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Posted:Written by: Whiffle Squeek


oh and also, it helps if you bend over a lot...

dunno why, but it does...



because when you bend over you point your amrs behind you rather than at the floor behind you... that is if you bend over forward... if you bend over backwards, your just asking for back pain..


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Pooh-Bah
Location: Bristol
Member Since: 6th Jan 2005
Total posts: 1785
Posted:I know this sounds stupid but i learn all the behind the back moves standing on a chair.....my reasonning!.......you need relatively long strings for behind the back stuff to work nicely but when you are beginning, you often spend a lot of time hitting the floor. if you start standing on a chair then you can master the actual moves quicker with the extra space around you

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Melemel
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Posted:i was going to post here, but instead im going to go outside and actually try to crack those pesky btb weaves

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fire puppy
fire puppy

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Location: washington
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Total posts: 69
Posted:how about the btb ttn

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Domino
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Location: Bath Uni or Shrewsbury, UK
Member Since: 26th May 2004
Total posts: 757
Posted:I finally got the hang of both forwards and reverse btb weave I'm now I'm working on constant turning (I think someone called it around the world). This is giving me trouble. Do I turn towards or away from the side with the poi are on? And roughly when?

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JauntyJames
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Posted:ditto

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Adya Miriyana
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Location: Adelaide
Member Since: 4th Feb 2005
Total posts: 6554
Posted:lol, i just cracked the forwards one the other night [thanks ben!! smile], still have to practice it, *thinks* but im pretty sure you turn on the side with the poi. yes.. and then they cross over to the other side in the other direction. that makes sense. so i presume it would be the same for btb. now for btb...

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faith enfire
faith enfire

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Location: Wisconsin
Member Since: 27th Jan 2006
Total posts: 3556
Posted:first someone point me in the direction of what a butterfly weave is please...i'm sure there is a thread someplace
second
Ok the whole btb weave thing. Its not that I dont have the flexibility in my shoulders. I have done the stick thing where you practice with ladle handles and stuff. I have done the one hand at a time thing. But it just doesnt work. I cant even get my head to wrap around the figure 8 btb. I have gotten a sort of wave down, I think. Alternating hands on circle at the side and one btb. But I cannot get the coordination down. I have read the posts and tried the majority of the suggestions
I need serious help, Yall


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LazyAngel
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Location: Cambridge UK
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Posted:information on the butterfly weave can be found in page one of the 'Helpful Advice Threads' thread at the top of the forum. The BTB weave was a mad move to learn for me. I only got it to work fairly recently (after about a year and a half of spinning), by practising in little sessions once every so often. Some things are worth waiting for..

Keep practising and good luck smile

as for turning: learning BTB waistwraps helps a lot!


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JonnyRok
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Posted:It took me about a week to learn the forward btb weave, I first worked on swinging them together behind my back and then seperating my hands when I could do that, but im still struggling with the reverse, I just get so worried when I see the poi flying towards my face!

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Ry
Ry

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Location: Brisbane, Australia
Member Since: 2nd Feb 2005
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Posted: Written by: sammie



...has anyone managed to crack into the world of (painless) behind the back poi.<BR>I'm not talking butterflies, but full on weave/train and chicken oriental moves....<P>





What's a chicken oriental move
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Devakasi
Devakasi

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Location: Kentucky
Member Since: 27th May 2005
Total posts: 17
Posted:I saw a Pupdawg video and have been trying to watch it over and over. It's not so old, and he moves fluidly between forwards weave into btb weave. I can get it now for just a bit, then I start to hit myself.

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Hilary
Hilary

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Location: Newcastle upon Tyne , England/...
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Total posts: 59
Posted:One way is to tuck your hand in by your opposite hip...this makes it a bit neater.
Bend your knee when the poi is coming up by that side.
This stops it catching your heel and hitting you in the back of the Head!!***
Also if you can do a backwards weave in front. Practice doing it as an extended weave..then bring one hand behind to go to opposite hip, then the other to follow....

it is basically the backwards weave...behind your back!!!

Good luck!!!


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Dut
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Location: Nashville, TN
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Total posts: 380
Posted: Written by: Ry



 Written by: sammie



...has anyone managed to crack into the world of (painless) behind the back poi.<BR>I'm not talking butterflies, but full on weave/train and chicken oriental moves....<P>





What's a chicken oriental move
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my BTB exploded lately. there's almost nothing i can do in front that i can't do at least for a few beats BTB --



i finally got clean entries on BTB butterfly buzzsaw tangle turns (and the matching thru-wraps. my entry happens to start with a waistwrap..) as of last week... umm. i can do most of my wrap sequences and even the move where you weave tangle (one or more "beats") and then double bicep wrap BTB forward and reverse before untangling. the exit keeps wanting to come out inverted tho, which i don't have clean, but i try not to let it go there anyways.



i still don't think i have much room to brag with so many glowstickers out there doing most of this cleaner and longer, but it's impressive enough to try most of this on fire. wink

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buggleberry_fairy

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Posted:altho cannot manage to do btb 3bt weave - can crappily do 2 bt includin an eye whack and the beautiful tangling.



but iv found that if doin it with left 1st and right followin then chantin 'just follow the left, just follow the left...' helps me to move my right hand in the right way (my right hand bein the dud hand)

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