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The Official London juggling ber spy. shh! dont tell any one
Location: the world (London)
Member Since: 15th Jul 2003
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Posted:I've been juggling clubs for a while.



but now I have left the confinds of London. And I'm of for a trip a round the world. ubbloco juggle clap bounce2 bounce



As im not in the greatness of the London juggling and spinning clubs. I thought that I would start this of to keep up with you lot.

And to keep you informed of what is out there in the big wide world.



So the latest moves that I am working on are.



1 Flats:

most of all im trying to do flat back cross.

But also 522 combos with one of the 2's caught under the leg

also box and 441's



2 stalls:

Im trying all type of stalls on different places, feet legs, shoulder and the chin.



do you have any more to add to this.

that I could be trying





When people says "plz" cause its shorter than "please" I say "no" cause its shorter than "yes"

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Carpal \'Tunnel

Member Since: 17th Apr 2002
Total posts: 15414
Posted:A really quick question about siteswaps:

does the order of throws go right left right left....or....left right left right?


and those square brackets and "X's...are they multiplex throws? with the top ball (when palm held out, the one that is furthest away from you) is that the first or the second number?

Ta muchly.


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coleman
coleman

big and good and broken
Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay
Member Since: 29th Aug 2002
Total posts: 7330
Posted:full answer: siteswap for dummies

quick answers: yes, no - square brackets are multiplexes, numbers with an 'x' are how we describe crossing throws in sync siteswaps.

for multiplexes, imagine the shape you want the balls to take in the air and arrange them in roughly the same configuration in your hand.

hug


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i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood

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mech
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: "In your ear"
Member Since: 9th Jun 2003
Total posts: 6207
Posted:ow my head!

cole next time i see you im so stealing you for an hour!

and then amybe some juggling?


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hexagonic
hexagonic

Clubbles Jugs
Location: Manchester
Member Since: 18th Feb 2004
Total posts: 1687
Posted:I find with multiplexes and other throws the best thing to do sometimes is to just throw the balls up and see how they come down. I learnt a lot of three and four ball multiplexes (in a 5b cascade) that way. But generally the ball closest to your wrist will come down first and the ball closest to your finger tips will come down last, depending on how u throw them.

Try doing a two ball multiplex (from the same hand) getting the balls to split so that on goes high and one goes low, and practice getting as much distance between them, so the low one is very low and the high one is very high. It's a flick of the wrists.


ah wah wah wah a wah wah

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Carpal \'Tunnel

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Posted:Ive got a question about jugglerisationing.

In somethign like a 7131 ...how do you kno wif it is a 3 or 4 ball trick?

cos 7+1+3+1= 12.
and 12/3 = 4
and 12/4=3

sowhats going on?


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Posted:you devide the number you get from adding them all up, by the total number of numbers you started with. there for it would be 12/4=3.

When people says "plz" cause its shorter than "please" I say "no" cause its shorter than "yes"

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Carpal \'Tunnel

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Posted:ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh/

Now I understands!

Ta.

so ina 97531 there are..

9+7+5+3+1= 25.

25/5 = 5.

5 ball trick.

So can you say that you always have the same ammount of balls as you have numbers?

(oh..and ive got the 5551....not impressive in the least..but one I got from numbers alone)


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Posted:kick ass jon, will you show me when i se eyou next?

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Carpal \'Tunnel

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Posted:No.

:oP


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coleman
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big and good and broken
Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay
Member Since: 29th Aug 2002
Total posts: 7330
Posted:Written by: Urology Centre of Florida


So can you say that you always have the same ammount of balls as you have numbers?







no.

for example:



3

4

5

6

7



all one number but different tricks with different numbers of balls smile



or for better examples:



45141

575151



lovely tricks they are as well smile





try 55514 jon hug


"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood

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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Posted:jon, yoru so mean, when your avatar pic is so nice wink

on teh good news front, i found a local juggling club last night, so now i should be able to further my juggling at pace guys biggrin im so happy about this, no longer will i have to wait to see you and not learn, i can now not learn all teh time!!! biggrin


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Carpal \'Tunnel

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Posted:Mech...i will show you as soon as I get the cds wink


*realises he is now teaching others about siteswaps so reckons he must know it properly*

*so he reckons*


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coleman
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Posted:have you read this lovely thread jon? ubbrollsmile

"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood

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Carpal \'Tunnel

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Posted:COLE!!

That is the first time I have ever been able to get onto jugglingdb.com

I usually use Outlook Express Newsreader to do it.

*reads the helpful link intently*

I shall see you tomrrow so you can show me then!


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Posted:if you really want to get into siteswap, you have to read ben beever's book.

siteswap ben's guide to juggling patterns

its like a little online siteswap bible :8)


"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood

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Carpal \'Tunnel

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Posted:hee hee....beever.



Thats rude!


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bluecat
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Location: everywhere
Member Since: 15th Dec 2002
Total posts: 5300
Posted:any idea why 7 times out of 10 when i try to get to jugglingdb the site is down....?

grr.


Holistic Spinner (I hope)

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coleman
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Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay
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Posted:do what jon does and use a newsreader.

lots of problems since they changed server - the jugglewiki is *still* not accessable.

some suggestions here.
they are unhelpfully kept on the site you can't access though rolleyes


"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood

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The Official London juggling ber spy. shh! dont tell any one
Location: the world (London)
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Posted:a nice one, and my favourite siteswap. is 55514. now that is kick ass

When people says "plz" cause its shorter than "please" I say "no" cause its shorter than "yes"

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hexagonic
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Clubbles Jugs
Location: Manchester
Member Since: 18th Feb 2004
Total posts: 1687
Posted:Try playing around with the 5's in reverse cascade for ultimate kick-arse - all in reverse is nice but just one constantly in reverse is cool, but difficile

ah wah wah wah a wah wah

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Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay
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Posted:inverse 5551 to 4 ball mills is just about the best trick i can do.
except i can't do it very well yet tongue

last night i did 55514 with 3 red balls and one yellow one which looks lovely cos the red ones get constantly flashed and the yellow one just goes underneath and up the sides of the pattern smile

i was doing (6x,4)(4,2x) last night and jonnny noticed if i do it with one less ball, it looks like a trick i learnt really recently...

martin - put this into a simulator, imagine the 4's and the 6x's to be a bit lower and see if it looks at all familiar wink

(6x,4)(0,2x)


"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood

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Carpal \'Tunnel

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Posted:Do you think any of the non juggley types on here get all these numbers?

Do you think any of the juggley types on here really get all these numbers?

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coleman
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Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay
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Posted:what numbers?

all i see is patterns.

meditate


"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood

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Carpal \'Tunnel

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Posted:*contemplates calling Cole a Juggling gimp but decides not to*

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The Official London juggling ber spy. shh! dont tell any one
Location: the world (London)
Member Since: 15th Jul 2003
Total posts: 419
Posted:got some new toys this week

5 med orange Mr babache stage balls.
and they are nice, my god are they nice.
and you can see them a mile off. so I have been told by the lovley girld in the park on sunday


When people says "plz" cause its shorter than "please" I say "no" cause its shorter than "yes"

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Carpal \'Tunnel

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Posted:Did she have to shout really loudly to tell you from a mile off?



smile


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Posted:I'm a juggily type and dont get these numbers... *scratch head*


confused


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Carpal \'Tunnel

Member Since: 17th Apr 2002
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Posted:Me, myself and I have only recently understood the numbers.

0 = empty hand
1 = pass straight along the horizontal from one hand to the other
2 = a small throw up whichy lands in teh same hand
3 = a throw at normal height from one hand to the other (like the thow in a normal cascade)
4 = a higher throw which lands in the same hand you threw with
5 = higher than a 3
6 = higher than a 4
7 = higher than a 5

Basically what no one told me... is that all the even numbers...stay in the same hand when you throw ...whereas odd numbers change hands.

Ive been waiting to see who would be the first person to do their definition of siteswap on this site for a very long time now...guess it is me then.

so the siteswap code for a normal cascade is 333
however... the siteswap for mills mess is also 333

the numbers only represent how high the balls go, not he position of your hands or where to throw the objects.

When you see a long list of numbers... the first number is always thrown with the right hand.

um..

multiplexes(throwing and/or catching 2 or more balls at eh same time) are done in square brackets such as [6x,4].
and the x there menas that the ball crosses over...which confuses me I always thought that even numbers stayed int ehsame hand.

Perhaps Coleman or Uber Seal or Bluecat could fill in anythign ive missed...

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(I liked doing that post)


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The Official London juggling ber spy. shh! dont tell any one
Location: the world (London)
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Posted:WOW.

jon you have learnt something while shoting those ducks


When people says "plz" cause its shorter than "please" I say "no" cause its shorter than "yes"

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Carpal \'Tunnel

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Posted:biggrin

and smoking vast quantities..

Maybe it was good for me... confused

wink


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