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Knoxious
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Posted:Ok... I'm broching the un-brochable...modelling balloons...yes my secret is out! I make balloon models and I love it! hah! there it has been said...

So who else on HoP does it? Mech, Bovril and?.....

And after 'inventing' (as there's nothing new under the sun) Dragon/Devil Wings ---> any one know a good recipie for horns?

NB: This thread is off-limits to Bluecat - cuz mate if yer girly was to find out....eek

smile dave


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TheBovrilMonkey
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Posted:Unless anyone gets here first, I'll have a think about how to explain the 6 petal flower in text and probably make a post tomorrow sometime.

It's pretty difficult to explain in text, but pretty straightforward if you're being shown it.



Which way do you know to make a 4 petal flower? It may well be that you already know the basic technique for making the petals.



As for books - I've got both of the books by Roberto Menafro & Paolo Michelotto that are at the bottom of this page , they're pretty good.

The New Balloon Sculptures one is probably the better of the two, it's got more variety - the other one tends to go for a smaller number of larger models.


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pricklyleaf
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Posted:I make it by tying the two ends of the balloon together. Then I twist the knotted part with the middle of the balloon which is opposite it. Then twist the middle of one of the new rings to create two of the petals, then repeat the same with the opposite side. Then I just make a stndard stem with leaves, I assume thats the same no matter how many petals.

Hope that makes some sort of sense, thanks in advance!


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TheBovrilMonkey
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Posted:Yep, that makes sense smile

You can make a 6 petal flower in a similar way, instead of twisting the knotted part into the middle of the balloon, you do it in three sections, giving you 3 loops that you then twist in half again.
It gets a bit tight trying to twist the last couple of bits if you do it like that though, and there is another way to make them. I've been thinking about it this morning and I reckon I'm going to have to end up drawing pictures or taking photos to accompany the text, so it might be a little longer before I get it sorted.

Alternatively, if you really want it today, I could scan the page from the New Balloon Sculptures book and email it to you.


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pricklyleaf
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Posted:ooo Thanks, I've worked out how to do it now.

The bit I couldn't figure out was that I knew it had to be divided into three somehow, but I couldn't work out how it would all then meet up in the middle. I didn't think about the fact the petals would bend in the middle to bring the two ends together.

I've ordered the books, thanks for the help! biggrin


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Charles
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Posted:So how a how about a picture of your 6 petal flower, PricklyLeaf.

I'd class that as one of the more advanced shapes to make from a 260, so shout it from the rooftops! smile


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Posted:One coming as soon as I get back into Glasgow. My room's beginning to look a bit like a hospital for decrepid balloons on their last legs, most with horrible deformities! Its soooo adictive, really enjoying it. biggrin (I really like the the balloon pics in you and bov's gallerys by the way!)

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Wheee
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Posted:Written by: Paddy

Anyone tried fire balloon modelling?? biggrin

Sorry, couldn't help it...I'll get back on topic now. tongue



Well if you inflate the balloons with hydrogen....


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TheBovrilMonkey
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Posted:Using an oxygen and acetylene mix that's usually used for welding to inflate balloons is fun smile

You get a massive bang and a small flash of fire - small enough that the bloke who showed me was holding the balloon in his hand went it exploded and suffered no ill effect.

If you fill a balloon with it, tie a string around the knot and set light to the string before letting the balloon drift off into the sky, you get random and very, very loud explosions in the sky, which is always good. It's possibly best not to do this in a built up area smile


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Posted:OxyAcetylene mix makes balloons float?

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Posted:I'm not sure about 260s, but it definately makes round balloons float.

260s might be too heavy for their volume, the same as if they were filled with helium, which is a real shame.


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Wheee
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Posted:Written by: TheBovrilMonkey


I'm not sure about 260s, but it definately makes round balloons float.



260s might be too heavy for their volume, the same as if they were filled with helium, which is a real shame.





A 260 isn't going to float with oxygen + accetaline if it won't float helium. Helium is the 2nd lightest gas. The only one better for making things float is hydrogen. For airships and general balloon inflation the flamability of hydrogen is a problem, making helium the best choice. For what we're on about hydrogen has no drawbacks if you can get hold of it. No idea if it'll float a 260 or not, but its a quarter of the weight of helium - stands a chance.



Adding oxygen will make a bigger bang (ideally you want 1 part hydrogen to 2 parts oxygen), but will make floating less likely.


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Wheee
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Posted:Correction - you want 1 part oxygen to 1 part hydrogen by volume. That will give the ideal mix of two oxygen atoms per hydrogen atom. I forgot oxygen exists as a two atom molecule, not lone atoms.

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Posted:Perhaps thats another reason it goes bang easily...

Bythe way, Bovril, have you ever inflated a 260 with a can of silly string?


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Posted:I can't say I've ever tried it.

*runs off to find some silly string*

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Posted:Its really cool (if expensive)...

I like to empty about 1/3 can into one and then shake it around so all the silly string clumps together. It looks all wiggly and round like a little brain.

Then twist a dog or other sculpture with the 'brain' in the head, and call it a zombie sculpture or smart poodle etc etc.

Another good zombie sculpture is to let a bit of string in after inflating it before, and tie it off with the silly string through the knot.

Then twist the sculpture with the string hanging down form the knot, and you get this icky 'spinal cord' type connection running through the whole body of the sculpture.

Looks very organic and quite creepy, especially in a quartz purple when held up to the light.


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Posted:ooooo, now where can you get silly string from these days. Ah, brings back memories of repeatedly covering the kitchen in this, to my Mums distress. Silly string is the best, got to get some and try this meethinks. ubbloco

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newgabe
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Posted:I want one of those parrots in a heart shaped perch!! ubblove

.....Can't juggle balls but I sure as hell can juggle details....

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Posted:You'd like instructions you mean? This is a do-it yourself thread...

Do you have any 260's?


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Posted:The instructions would be fine! I do have 260s.. and a silly number of balloon pumps left over from Woodford... I was more expressing pining cos Dave (Knoxious) and Di ubblove used to make them for me.... frown and I'm missing vases of balloon flowers when I get home....peace



and btw chaps you can float 260s with helium.. we had heaps of them in a sort of ladder shape decorating the ceiling of the Circadia (community circus) venue at Woodford... a slab of them came down as it cooled in the middle of the night on New years Eve and made a fabulous 10 foot tall mid air floating multicoloured installation for the trippers to play with!


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pineapple pete
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Posted:*endeavours to not make cheezy coments from back when i was in 'ballooniversity'*

cheers, pete hug


"you know there are no trophys for doing silly things in real life yeah pete?" said ant "you wont get a 'listened to ride of the valkyries all the way to vietnam' trophy"

*proud owner of the very cute fire_spinning_angel, birgit and neon shaolin*

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Posted:Parrot in a heart instructions...

1. Inflate a 260 leaving about a 6cm tail.

2. Twist off a small soft bubble (about 1-2cm) by squeezing more out before closing off the twist.

3. Twist a second bubble about 3 time the length of the first. Pull the nozzle formt he first bubble down to the end of the second (ie nozzle and end of second balloon are twisted together. The big bubble is th ehead and the little bubble is the 'shaped' beak.

4. Make a string of 2 x 15cm bubbles and one 12cm. Locktwist the 15's together like a dog head, and roll the third bubble throuhg the middle, so oyu have two long wings and a slightly shorter body, all twisted to each end (this is called a bird body, and is a common balloon sculpting technique).

5 twist off two small 3cm bubbles, lock twist them and loop the tail around and back onto itself.


HEART

1. Inflate a 260 fully, and slowly let some air out for about 1.5 seconds

2. Tie the nozzle end to the tail end making a loop, you may need to squeeze the tail end a bit to get a tail to tie with.

3. Find the middle of the loop (opposite end to the knot).

4. This netx bit is tricky to explain with text, but easier than it sounds. Make a bend in the middle bit, so that the round bit points towards the knot, giving a rough heart shape. Try to keep the whole loop flat while doing this.

5. Keeping it in the 'bent' shape, squeeze all the air out of the bend point, pointing at the knot, ( no need to squeeze hard, gentle ans slow works just as well). Still holding the bent shape, let go so the air rushes in to fill the bend.

6. Voila, you should have anice round heart shape, with which to attach the parrot. Just pull the tail and legs apart, put it on th eknot and let go, it should eaisly 'grab' the heart perch.


Does that make sense?


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Posted:I'll give it a go!!
Thanks, that would be fun to learn to make that and give one to Dave next time I see him!

*hides thread in the sock drawer so he doesn't see it*


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Posted:Hows the parrot going?

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Hanz
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Posted:I'm wanting to get into ballooning, and this was the first thread I found, is there a better thread for a newbie to post in?

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Charles
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Posted:This thread is a good start.

So are the following links... :-)

Balloon Websites


http://professorwonder.com/twists.htm
br>http://professorwonder.com/gallery.htm

http://www.balloondesigns.net/freesite.html
br>http://deantheballoonatic.com/4puppy_inst.html
http://balloonattractions.com/balloon_town/training_center/
br>http://theballoonbuffoon.com/instructions/



http://www.balloonhq.com
br>
http://www.mbd2.com.com
br>
http://www.balloonmolecules.com


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Posted:thanks Charles, I was on BalloonHQ the other day, but being new, I was finding some of the terminology a bit hard... but I'll pick it up



Actually, some of the other sites have all that, thank you!! hug


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Posted:Hanz. Try the professor wonder links first, and then log onto MBD2 and make a donation so you have access to the instructions list, well worth a few $$.

Let me know if there's any sculpture you'd like help with too, and I'll make upmy own instructions and email them to you. :-) (may take me a wee while).


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Posted:Ah, I was wondering why I suddenly didn't have access to the mdb2 instructions forum.

D'you know if there's a minimum price to get access? I don't have a lot of money at the moment, but as you said, it's a very good resource.

That doesn't stop me being very annoyed at Dale for adding an admission fee, especially as unless it's changed, very few of the instructions are actually written by him.
*starts off on a new search for a good balloon instructions site that's still free*

 Written by: Charles


Let me know if there's any sculpture you'd like help with too, and I'll make upmy own instructions and email them to you. :-) (may take me a wee while).



That goes for me too, although the list of sculptures I know is a bit more limited than Charles', but I'll help if I can smile


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Posted:Ditto about MBD2 Bovril, and no there is no minimum as far as I know.

I really do struggle to understand Dale's business approach sometimes, like the time he gave a 10% discount on an US$7 bag of balloons, and then complained in a thread on his site that no-one was buying off him despite him being cheaper than Tmyers.. (by about 50 cents US).

But props to him, he has maintained a great resource, that, if not stymied by his donation conditions, may grow like HoP in the future.


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Posted:Charles, I would but having barely any money, and no access to being able to pay for online things... Im out for that one.

Found a store in Bendigo today that sells 260Qs, AUS$18 for 100, and AUS$40 for 250.


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