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Posted:I've been learning loads of throws this year. I took a lot from home of poi. This is all the info I could found on throws in the staff forum over a number of threads. A search didn't return much but I have gone through all the pages I could searching using my eyes.



Below are what I have found. I have placed a link to the relevant thread at the top and a quote of moves in that thread. I hope this doesn't annoy anyone but this took some time that it may save someone else in future.



If anybody involved in these older threads feels that the threads are better linked too and not quoted pm me and I'll sort it out as these words don't belong to me.



I was going to briefly decribe what was there like in The Tangles Galore thread Simian got together but found it was more difficult and I ended up describing what was already there. I also think it's handier to have them all in one thread because now the throws people know of that aren't here can be added and it can all be together. Let me know what you think anywho... smile



Double staff throws



Josh say :

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1) I think the easiest horizontal throw to do with Doubles is when you have em going in a stacked corkscrew (helix). As the lead staff in the pattern reaches the top you throw it straight up spinning horizontally, and you do a straight helicopter pass over your head with the other staff. Then you catch the thrown staff in your free hand and it becomes the following staff in the pattern. Done continuously and you have a nice cascading effect.

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2) As you are about to cross the first staff up and to the other side of your body you release it and sweep the other stick through the gap and then catch the original staff in the original hand. The throw is done quite low and its really quick and nice.

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3) doing Parallel Rotors (ie one hand in fwd the other in rvs)



The hand thats doing the fwd rotor does an under leg throw while the other hand does a pinwheel behind the head pass.



Then with your newly free hand reach under your other leg and do an underleg catch of the first staff, which ends up on the other side



So its an underleg throw to opposite underleg catch while doing a pinwheel pass with the other.





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1) Somthing I've been playing around with my larger staffs...



Tuck one staff under your arm (pointing horizontally) when the other is airborne, catch the airborne one on the end of the first one and throw it from there (or do some devil sticking then throw it).



I'm not sure what it looks like, but for me at least, it seems original



2) Here's a fun one that looks hard but is quite easy to pick up.



1. Do a standard double-figure 8 with both staffs.

2. in one handlet the staff slide a few inches down your hand so one end is longer than the other.

3. As it passes in front of you, stick your leg up and throw it from under the leg.

4. With the empty hand still under the leg, pass the other staff into it and pull it back out.

5. Catch the thrown staff with the now empty hand.









Throw 2 at a time



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try going btb (staffs going opposite to each other)to throw under the opposite arm and out in frotn, the timing seems to suit continuous throws...

also with both in the same direction throw one staff under the other, the best way i can describe it is similar to juggling chops, may be the most beautifully fluid move i have ever seen.....





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Easy one, which looks kinda nice...

you have both staffs close together (your hands basically touching) in front of you in different hands.

If you spin (using fingerspins) the one in the right clockwise and the one in the left anticlockwise, they sort of just miss each other, like, interlocking... it puts me in mind of the poi butterfly.

You can throw this and it keeps its shape really well, and looks like the staffs are sort of bouncing off each other (in the same way that the poi in the butterfly look like they are bounciong off each other).

Catching is simply a matter of keeping youe hands out in front of you and looking at the point where the staffs cross.







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1) ok... bit of a strange one this, came to me as i was burning myself last night trying something else new....which is also quite nice so maybe i will start with that one then the one with throws....i guess i should have read the naming threads to find out what this is all called but i will try to make it clear...both hands doing what i think is called reverse rotor(?) with alternate timing, then when coming to the front each staff does a head roll to the same hand, looks a bit sloppy if you catch in front, but behind with extra wraps....wow. so...the hard version. as one staff does a head roll the other is thrown giving enough time to swap hands on the first one...then turn 180 and go the other way(or there are ways of getting back from forwads rotor to reverse without the 180 but then you are in extra combos...)

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mmmmmm fabulous, got some new throws and wraps, double throws only a few tho... kind of links into contact stuff this one - contact one staff on top pof the other so you are only holding one(nice way into it charles is to go from the double palm spins you mentioned in another thread, throw one up(must be same direction!!!) and land it on the other) then spin both above your head and throw... catching is just a cas of keeping your eyes on the centres....easier said than done, but a beautiful move....

enjoy

have to say hto just been getting smoother, not too much new throwing, but wraps, oooooohhhhhh....

ax

3) start both staffs horozontal, left hand acw, right hand cw. as they come up together in front of you throw them both so one passes just above the other, then catch same time in opposite hand... then to get back to the start position you can snake them both(clubswinging terms, sorry) and pass accross in front of you....







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Throw one under your leg (remember two legs, and two ways to come from under.... i think that makes four total different versions for the under the leg staff)and one straight up. (i can do this from just about anything that isn't over teh head.)



Throw them over your head from the sides.



Throw one from the front and one from behind so they pass over your head. *warning* *warning* this one is really hard to do and i've actually not worked on it almost since i started doubles cause it hurt so much.



Throw one from the front so it would pass over your head and one from behind straight up, turn 180, and catch both in what is now ur front.



Throw both in lazy throws that intersect at the top of the arc,this one is also kinda hard to do cause they like to hit.



And I think someone already said this, but you can always throw both in front of you.



that's all i know for simultaneous in seperate hands....





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Meanwhile, back at the left hand side of the body... In your left hand you should be doing the figure eight normally at your side - so as the staff comes infront of your body your thumb should be leading. Once the right hand staff is thrown, pass the left hand staff behind your back to your right hand - just like the bottom part of the standard behind the back move ...the star/windmill. This leaves your left hand free to catch the staff that was thrown.







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both hands doing alternate backwards figure 8 (or forwards, but i prefer to throw onna backwards) right hand throws up for one spin, as it comes down throw and imeadatly cath the other staff with the left hand, catch the now airbourn staff with the right and your into forwards alternate figure 8.



to split the staffs (sommit i been praticing hard) have them held fairly off center to each other (at least a wick length) both in the same hand. Throw in your prefered style and they should split sideways midair, catch





Doubles throws



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instead theres this. Y'know when you have both staffs doing backwards figure eights mirrored (both on the samme side of the body, front and back) and you throw them up and cross each other and catch in forward figure eights?



well its a little like that but with the staffs going alternate sides of the body (left in fron, right behind and swap) for example the right and throws for 1 turn and the left hand trows a turn later and imeadatly catches the right hands staff, whilst the right hand catches the left a beat later and your into alternate forwards, but like juggling pattern.



Also, I just heard from robb that to spit the doubles sideways you hold them off center to each other, he says about a foot off for 5 foot staffs. Thanks rob, tried it today and she works a beute.







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mwwwaaahahahahah single throw i know but couldn't keep it to myself any longer



both in forwards 8's to left and right, throw one veryveryveryvery high, gives you time to do pinwheel and a half(three hand changes) before catching)



soon to be four







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very nice, inferno, the juggler in me is thinking SWEEET! but then again, he always want chocolate icecream.

i like to do a horizontal throw combo - helicopter throw as the other hand passes a high palm to the free hand...





Doubles throws



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Yippee, something I can actually do as well as explain! (Josh pulled me up in the Cartwheel section a while ago.

The only double staff throw I can do at the moment is very very simple but looks very effective.

I hold both staffs in the middle ( my 1.4 metre ones) under my armpits gripping just up from the centre.

Pointing them at the ground (for a VERY short space of time i.e burns) I then spin then backwards (pinkyfirst) in two complete spins and then where I would normally roll them over the back of my hands, I throw them into the air for a 1/2 or 1 1/2 spin. Catch them, and tuck them back under my arms...

As far as fluidity goes, its not bad, but is defintely a standalone trick, very hard to put into a routine



2) Just doing a basic FIGURE 8 where I throw one as it scoops up in front of me and then throw the other when it does the same thing, then catch the first then ctach the second.







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Basically i end the figure 8's so that the leading ends of my staffs are pointing towards the sky at about 45degrees. And I let the momentum of the spin carry the both out of my hands and (as longs as one is slightly in front of the other -practice, practice, practice) they glide passed one another and into their respective hands. Allowing me to carry the movement on into normal forward figure8's.





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with one staff you can figure8 round the body, pass behind, figure eight to the front and throw then catch, fairly standard? With two you start wit both ends pointing at the ground but one behind your body and one in front. spin them in thier figure eights and as the rear staff comes forward throw it high and for 360degrees, meanwhile the other hand has come round the back and you will have a space to transfer to the throwing hand and then catch the other staff. the process can be repeated, in a continous paralell circle or transitioned into some side on reverse shinobi stuff.







General hints on throwing from front to behind and visa versa



General throwing tips



Doubles staff throws



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if you can do anything like a rvs 3-beat btb weave with poi this one shouldnt be too hard.



as you cross behind you with one staff (helps if its going bkwds in rotation) switch the other staff to the other side of you body in front. Then throw the btb staff straight up behind the body and a bit forward, as it turns in the air bring the other staff over the top of it, pull your throwing hand around your body and reach over the front and catch the thrown staff on that side. From here you are set up to go straight into the opposite backcross throw with the other staff.



you will probly find that your backcross throw hasnt got much oompf! the easy way to add a bit of height to it when you are just starting out is to do 'pop' it up using your legs, so as the staff backcrosses you are bending at the knees and as its coming up for release you 'pop' your legs straight. This little push is all you need to get that control happening.



In essense its a thrown extension to the doubles parallel rvs btb weave.



have fun - I love this one.



my fav variation is at the moment, backcross throw to underleg catch

the staves should be in time with each other.



Also, the throw doesnt have to be over the shoulder, it can be done from in front of your body - a bit like a poi:crossers position.



O yeah, I should add that the move I posted can be done the other way round too (as can all moves I guess) ie; drop from front reach around behind and catch btb.







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Swinging outward reels in wall plane. With the right hand do a "double spin" behind, then instead of moving back to the front of the body bring the right hand behind the back with pinky side leading to the waist wrap position.



The act of doing this really twists you up cause it's kinda like a triple spin which isn't easy to do (in the outward reel behind position).



Then throw from behind the back waistrwrap position. This can then be caught by the right hand after a 180 turn (of the body).



The "triple spin" seems unnecessary and excessive (sometime painfull ) but the benefit (I believe) is a better throw because you have nearly a full revolution of unwinding in the waistwrap position before the throw.





From Rob's staff thread

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foot catch and throw

this is a continuous move, the staff never stops and never touches the ground...and can be used in singles or doubles:

nb i prefer my right hand for obvious reasons but as with all other moves this is just because of my non-perfect ambidextrosity, so if you're left handed just change in ya head what i'm saying.:



spinning vertically in reverse direction(leading with pinky) in wall plane to your right.

as the staff is coming to the front let it drop to a foot catch, slightly more staff away from you than in towards you, then do a flick up...



the easy way to practise is to get the staff to stop on the ground in the right position to do a (juggling) kick up. then slowly work oyour way towards doing it without any loss of speed or touching the ground.




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Posted:Ok that throw make more sense though I gotta say that snake is not my favourite way of getting that extra circle in front at all.

This is my currently my favourite throw. Basically a throw from forward figure 8 from behind the back. The throw is straight up behind you. It's easiest while learning to turn and catch it in the same hand as this allows you and extra bit of flick when say throwing with right hand turn left.

2 things that I think are important.
Firstly you want to get the staff into a position where there's more stick on your thumb side than your pinky side. This allows you to flick it for more height.

Secondly, when you throw you want the back of your hand to be pointing forwards. I think this is very important as you cannot easily get height otherwise.

2 ways in are forward figure 8 thumb side of stick in front. Then thumbside at back, then thumbside comes up past back of legs in a straight line behind and the stick is thrown straight up behind. Another way in is from forward figure 8 1 beat circles as thumbs side completes a revolution (in front) bring thumb side behind and up back in same fashion with same results.

With practise there's a feel of flicking and you can get real height well above the head. I suspect a longer staff is better for height.

You don't have to turn to cath it though. It's not too difficult to catch it in the opposite hand (palm facing backwards) blind BTB.

You can throw with right hand over left shoulder from behind. When you do this the stick is released pretty much in front of you and it's a nice throw. But in future I want to work on the throw straight up behind and walk forward to catch in front. It's hard to explain the differences between the 2 but it's do with at what stage the staff begins spinning and this affects the height of the throw from what I can make out.


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Posted:Nice double combination is the throw behind with turn and same hand catch done with both staffs on follow time. As you go for the throw do another circle in front with the staff doing backwards figure 8 and then turn, catch and continue. smile

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Posted:sounds good but its just so hard to understand. we need more videos......

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Posted:ok time to get this wonderful thread active again..



let me first explain the throw i call the shower throw (used for 2 and 3 staff showers).



first practise this. grab your staff with the right hand below the middlemark thumb up. lock your wrist (so that if you hold your hand up straight the staff also points up) and do a big circle anticlockwise infront of you with the upper end of the staff, so that the staff never goes to your backside. so no spinning with your wrist, just make a circle infront of you. you can also call this circle a chop.



the shower throw is similar to the chop. now that the staff comes down and starts going up again you release or throw the staff and catch it again with either hand. if straight down would be 0/360 degrees of the circle then release it in 80 to 110 degrees. if you already know this one it's easy to get the beginning of the next one.



easy way to go to this one is the forward 3 beat weave. throw from your right side, right hand first with a shower throw high and the left one follows with a lower snake throw. catch these in either hands.



something i made up recently to continue from this..



catch the snake throw again with your left hand spinning it backwards figure 8 in the opposite direction you were facing in the beginning (so you turn 180 deg.). As you get the left staff on your right side the shower throw comes down (on your left side) and you catch it behind the back with your right hand.


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Posted:Written by: Nekobasu

This is one of m favourites at the moment.. sorry for bad description, i don't have any clue on english terms for even basic spinning, but here goes

snake & back throw for double staff

- spin the staves like in reverse butterfly (with poi) but so that the other is in front when the other is in the back (what do you call this?)

- do a high snake throw in the front with right hand

- with left, do a lower throw from behind your back, so that it comes infront of you (over your right shoulder/head), and catch it with the same hand and continue spinning

- catch the snake throw with the right, spin

- then the same, on opposite hands.. left first

i have it on mpg and try to put it on the net for you to see. in a few days.

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and now it's here!

www.rubberheart.com --> Videos --> RHD Tricks 001

It's a bit dark and blurry but with this video and the earlier description you'll get it..


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Posted:eek eek

Someone quoted me.... now thats scary.

Whats even scarier is I was just thinking when I walked home from work, i really havn't worked on throws in a long time, other than the simple rotary in front kind, which just follow naturally from my circles, in, well, ages...

and then i get home and read this. sounds great smile I know what i'm doing for the next few days... biggrin


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Someone quoted me.... now thats scary.





Sorry couldn't resist



Throws are where it's at! biggrin

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Kyrian
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Posted:People have been corrupting me with their contacty ways. Nonetheless, I might go back to my more circular and aerial ways, as it seems to make loads more sense to me, altho it hurts more because instead of clunking it into my head i'm now dropping it on top... haha

I'm honoured, really, just surprised, as everyone knows i'm crap.

But there were less really awesome crazy people with videos back then. So it must have been less obvious tongue

What I can't get smooth is getting them to pass over my head from the front and catching behind, that one for whatever reason i just can't get the amount of horizontal movement to work for me....


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Posted:*bumpity bump*

I realised yesterday that making new staffs probably isnt the best time to start practising throws... smile

I also realised that as much as i thought i was... I cannot -yet - throw a staff straight up...


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