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Mags The Jedi
GOLD Member since May 2004

Mags The Jedi

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Location: Cornwall, UK

Total posts: 2020
Posted:I was thunking. When trying to get gigs spinning fire, it would be very cool to be able show the person doing the booking something official like a membership card to a Guild or Society of fire performers. Something to set their minds at rest that you have acheived a certain level of experience and will not burn their things or their customers.

Does anything like this exist?


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Posted:Nope. Although I imagine a Suit would see it as a way to make money.

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Pele
BRONZE Member since Dec 2000

Pele

the henna lady
Location: WNY, USA

Total posts: 6193
Posted:Actually, yes they do...three of them

One is at ground level, and has been for two or more years.

One started with alot of gusto and then burned out. I have no idea what happened to it.

And one...well, it keeps changing but not really evolving.

Part of the problem are the participants. Everyone claims they want it, but no one is actually willing to invest time or money to support it and just a few people can not carry it for all.

Then there are the disputes between who should regulate whom. Who is the best to determine guidelines to be followed?

Next, who enforces it? Who gets to travel around and follow up on all the members, updating trainings and such? Whoever does this essentially gives up life as they know it.

And then it takes years to build up the kind of recognition that would allow people to simply look at a card and feel secure.

There have been alot of issues because what we deal with is so dangerous.

A good insurance policy and a letter of recommendation from your local fire authority goes a long way.

Take care,
Pele


Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK

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Spanner
BRONZE Member since Feb 2003

Spanner

remembers when it was all fields round here
Location: in the works... somewhere...

Total posts: 2790
Posted:Written by: Pele

Actually, yes they do...three of them

One is at ground level, and has been for two or more years.

One started with alot of gusto and then burned out. I have no idea what happened to it.

And one...well, it keeps changing but not really evolving.




Do they have an online presence? And if so, do you have their links to hand?

If more people show interest in them, they may find it easier to evolve smile


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Pele
BRONZE Member since Dec 2000

Pele

the henna lady
Location: WNY, USA

Total posts: 6193
Posted:One has gone into a fire tribe at tribes.net. I think it just goes by Fire Guild. There are threads about why have a guild and who should belong. It is very grassroots and is headed up by John Voldel. There is alot of interest but alot of different opinions trying to be appeased to. Kind of "too many cooks spoil the stew" type thing.

The other, The North American Fire Artist Association had a website but last I checked it was gone. Feel free to search for it.
Ted Ward and Donia Love were big proponents in it. This one started at the top and went right for safety regulations, contacting airlines and such, trying to gather a database of every fire marshall in the northern hemisphere type stuff. Great at it's core but more than what I think they could take on.

The other was Fire Arts Association International. It is another that had a website that vanished. I don't even remember who headed this one up.

So there you have them, in a nutshell.

People are supportive but afraid. Fire attracts the non-authoritative, (as I am told) "radical, hippy" element, which is known for not wanting to be regulated. People are wanting regulations to help keep other people in line and to prevent the actions of others from inhibiting their ability to spin, but then they do not want to be regulated themselves.
Case in point, a group I recently worked with was *preaching* safety to their new people. But when it came time for the troupe creators to rehearse lit, and the safety was not ready they complained "Why do things always have to be so regulated? Why can't we just light up and spin. We don't have anything to worry about." This is an all too common mentality, that it is someone else's problem and someone else's fault, and that is part of the barrier from a true meeting of the minds with these projects.

Kindest Regards,
Pele


Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK

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Posted:Wow! I stand corrected! Thanks Pele.

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Diz


Diz

Mr Dizzy....
Location: Spiralling into uncertainty

Total posts: 154
Posted:As an alternative but a much more general one and specifically to the UK (although outside the UK similar unions have affiliations) you can join Equity as a Circus/Variety performer, of course this would not be a regulatory body for fire spinning, but membership offers many benefits.

It provides you with public liability insurance which covers you for most things, however for fire you need to pay an extra premium through Equity's insurance company First Act, and it kinda gives you a bit of "respectability" for want of a better word by being and Equity member. However a said above it won't necessarily regulate the quality and safety of the performer. I could go on and on, there are a host of reasons listed on their web-site.

Equity

Have a look.
Diz
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Malcolm
SAPPHIRE Member since Nov 2003

Malcolm

HOP admin
Location: Christchurch, New Zealand

Total posts: 1017
Posted:There is also www.fireperformers.com which I helped to start.
We had over a 1000 listings but I deleted them all to only show those who could prove their insurrance etc. Now only two are shown. It does have 1400 websites pointing at it and does get quite a few visitors.
I gree with Pele
"A good insurance policy and a letter of recommendation from your local fire authority goes a long way."
also References from previous hirers and the manner in which you conduct business and your contracts.

All the best

Malcolm


May your balls always burn

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