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SILVER Member since Jul 2003

Your Face!
Location: el paso, tx, USA

Total posts: 1173
Posted:I got this in an email earlier today and thought i would share. I have nothing to say about this article because i just have no clue as to what to say. It was written Sunday, April 4th, 2004 and can be found here.

Up Against Fanaticism

By Phil Lucas, Executive Editor, Panama City New Herald

If straight talk of savagery offends you, if you believe in ethnic and

gender diversity but not diversity of thought or if you think there is an

acceptable gray area between good and evil, then turn to the funny pages,

and take the children, too. This piece is not for you.

We published pictures Thursday of burnt American corpses hanging from an

Iraqi bridge behind a mob of grinning Muslims. Some readers didn't like it.

Mothers said it frightened their children. A woman who works with Muslim

physicians thought it might offend or endanger them.

Well, we sure don't want to frighten, offend or endanger anybody, do we?

That's just too much diversity to handle. I mean, somebody might get hurt.

We could fill the newspaper every morning with mobs of fanatical Muslims.

They can't get along with their neighbors on much of the planet: France,

Chechnya, Bosnia, Indonesia, Spain, Morocco, India, Tunisia, Somalia,etc.

etc. etc. Can anybody name three ongoing world conflicts in which Muslims

are not involved? Today, where there is war, there are fanatical Muslims.

We might quibble about who started what conflicts, but look at the sheer

number of them.

One thing is sure. Muslim killers started the one we are in now when they

slaughtered more than 3,000 people, including fellow Muslims, in New York


Madeleine Albright, the former secretary of state and reckless appeaser who

helped get us into this mess, said last week Muslims still resent the

Crusades. Well, Madam Albright, if Westerners were not such a forgiving

people, we might resent them too.

Let's recap the Crusades. Muslims invaded Europe, and when they reached

sufficient numbers, they imposed their intolerant religion upon Westerners

by force. Christian monarchs drove them back and took the battle to their

homeland. The fight lasted a couple of centuries, and we bottled them up for

1,000 years.

Now, a millennium later, Muslims have expanded forth again. Ask France. Ask

England. Ask Manhattan. Two-and-a-half years ago fanatical Muslims laid

siege to us. We woke up to the obvious. Our president announced it would be

a very long war, then took the battle to the Islamic homeland. Sound


Let's consider the concept of a "long war." Last time it was 200 years, give

or take. Anybody catch Lord of the Rings? You know, the good part, the part

that wasn't fiction, the part that drew us to the books and movies because

it was the truest part: the titanic struggle between good and evil, between

freedom and enslavement, between the individual and the state, between the

celebration of life and the worshipping of death.

That's the fight we are in, and it never ends. It just has peaks and


There may be a silent majority of peaceful Muslims - some live here - but

that did not save 3,000 people in the World Trade Center, the million gassed

and butchered in the Middle East, the tens of thousands slain in Eastern

Europe and Asia, the hundreds blown to bits in the West Bank and Spain, or

the four Americans shot, burned and hung like sausage over the Euphrates as

a fanatical minority of Muslims did the joyful dance of death.

Maybe we are so tolerant, we are so bent on "diversity," we are so

nonjudgmental, we are so wrapped up in our six-packs and ballgames that our

brains have drained to our bulbous behinds. Maybe we're so addled on

Ritalin we wouldn't know which end of a gun to hold. Maybe we need a new

drug advertised on TV every three minutes, one that would help us grow a


It doesn't take a Darwin to figure out that in this world the smartest, the

fastest, the strongest, and the most committed always win. No exceptions.

Look at your spouse and children. Look at yourself in the mirror. Then look

at the pictures from the paper last Thursday. You better look at them. Those

are the people out to kill you.

Who do you think will win? You? Or them? Think you can take your ball and

go home and they will leave you alone? Read a little history. Start

with last week, last month, last year, and every other year back for half a

century. Then go back a thousand years. Nobody hides from this fight.

Like it or not, that's the way it was and that's the way it is.

But many Americans don't get it. That's why we published those pictures.

If they jarred you off the sofa, if they offended you, if they scared your

children and sent you into a rage at mass murderers or heartless editors,

then I say, it's a start.

Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism - how passionately I hate them!
-Albert Einstein-

Peanut butter... It fills the cracks of the soul! -Paul Blart-

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GOLD Member since Aug 2003


playing the days away
Location: The Middle lands, United Kingd...

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Posted:hmmmm.....good points but on the whole he's a bit of a prick. IMO of course ubbangel

The flip side of another fanaticists coin.

Let's relight this forum ubblove


Doc Lightning
GOLD Member since May 2001

Doc Lightning

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Location: San Francisco, CA, USA

Total posts: 13920
Posted:I'm sorry, but the entire article is a non-sequitur.

Muslim this Muslim that...

Then suddenly, charred corpses this charred corpses that.

I wasn't aware that this sort of brutality was limited to Islam fanatacism. This article would have you believe it was.

But if we accidentally blow up a wedding party, it was a mistake. Oops. It's OK, though because we weren't trying to kill civilians.

And it's apparently OK if we torture them, too. Whether they're guilty or innocent of anything.

I see fanatacism in more places than Islam.

-Mike )'(
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"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura


GOLD Member since Aug 2003


playing the days away
Location: The Middle lands, United Kingd...

Total posts: 7263
Posted:Yeah he goes on about looking at history but is only interested in one very sheltered side of it all. I like (erm....?) how he defends the christians when those nasty muslims decided to invade the surrounding areas ubblol oooh those nasty muslims causing sooo much trouble against the nice christians. He almost sounds as fanatical (but slightly less agressive) as a certain poster here whom shall remain nameless wink

Let's relight this forum ubblove


BRONZE Member since Jan 2001

Returning to a unique state of Equilibrium
Location: Adelaide, South Australia

Total posts: 3289
Posted:Yep - I reckon this article is one of the best examples of Western Fanatical Doctrine Ive seen in a while.

Itd be funny if it werent so sad.


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BRONZE Member since Nov 2003


Location: 8 days at Cloudbreak, 6 in Per...

Total posts: 1433
Posted:A lot of my friends are Muslim and they are not fanatics...so why group them all together.

There is a difference between Muslims and extremists....please can we make that know right from the start!


GOLD Member since Nov 2001

still can't believe it's not butter
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Total posts: 6979
Posted:an eye for an eye? to behave with tolerance is to be deserving of it, nevermind when fundametalists take the agenda.

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Posted:if we mention mindless violence, maybe we also should have a look at:
-crusades: for no apparant reason, thousands of women, children and men were slaughtered, if you read chronicles of that time it is full with mass murder and violence
-colonialism: my own country is the cause for 10 million unnatural deaths in congo during the first half of past century
-settlers and native americans
-hitler and the jews

but i guess they were muslims too??:-)


BRONZE Member since Sep 2001


Classically British
Location: Epsom, Surrey, England

Total posts: 5688
Posted:From another of his articles - HERE


Oppose modern diversity wherever you find it. It is racism, not diverse, but a perversity of our ideals.

Reject the buzzword tolerance. It is a code word of collectivists, who are intolerant, who if you oppose them are swift to scream "hate speech"; who attempt to silence you, to put your opinions in chains.

Fight multiculturalism. Our ancestors lived and died to find a culture that was better, and they did.

These words stand for everything America is not.

On this Memorial Day, celebrate instead everything it is: liberty. Your liberty. Salute the ones who knew America is not a multi pot, but a melting pot. They wore our uniforms with pride. They lie in common bond for eternity - in soil dearly won.


He scares me...

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GOLD Member since Aug 2003

Location: Dublin, Ireland

Total posts: 1459
Posted:Is this guy for real? eek

scary indeed....

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GOLD Member since Sep 2002


Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Berlin, Ireland

Total posts: 2617
Posted:Manipulation of people's fear and insecurities.

Find a solution to fear and the world can really reach it's full potential. heart

I live in a world of infinite possibilities.


Doc Lightning
GOLD Member since May 2001

Doc Lightning

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Location: San Francisco, CA, USA

Total posts: 13920
Posted:Fanatics operate and gain/brainwash followers by:

1) Splitting the world into two groups, "us" and "them."

1) Asserting superiority over "them" and reassuring the potential follower that s/he is part of the superior group.

2) Appealing to the potential follower's humanity by emphasizing the follower's duty to "us."

3) Telling the potential follower that the other guy is out to get him and that part of his/her duty to "us" is to get "them" before "they" get "us."

4) Threatening the potential follower by asserting that if s/he doesn't join the crusade, then s/he is going against "us." ("You are either with us or against us.")

5) Drawing the conclusion that if the potential follower is not one of "us" and helping "our" crusade, then s/he is aiding/one of of "them."

I think I see all five points being hit here.

-Mike )'(
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"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura


GOLD Member since Nov 2001

still can't believe it's not butter
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Total posts: 6979
Posted:yeah mike's rite!
polarisation belongs only on sunglasses, and possibly curtain-blinds.

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SILVER Member since Feb 2004

spiny norman
Location: Cincinnati,damn it, USA

Total posts: 314
Posted:wow, is this being taken seriously? sorry what newspaper does this guy write for? that is so scary because people are more likely to believe something they see in the newspaper than anywhere else, shudder, as if the world wasent bad enough already...

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Location: Aberystwyth/ Newcastle

Total posts: 22
Posted:Goes to show how differently some people interpret history! It always worries me when people are this sure of their views - you get the impression he'd never listen to the other side of the argument

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Mags The Jedi
GOLD Member since May 2004

Mags The Jedi

Location: Cornwall, UK

Total posts: 2020
Posted:I'm a first year journalism student. This is why i hate journalists.

He makes me angry.

"I believe the cost of life is Death and we will all pay that in full. Everything else should be a gift. We paid the cover charge of life, we were born."

Bill Hicks, February 1988


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