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Animal rights arguments cut no mustard with me; I've never been able to figure out what's supposed to give a chicken more right to live than a broccoli plant, which compares favorably in mental capacity!
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Animal rights arguments cut no mustard with me; I've never been able to figure out what's supposed to give a chicken more right to live than a broccoli plant
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Also, I'm not sure I follow your example of football (bladder from a dead pig) and a child. Plants and animals are both alive. A dead pig, is a dead pig.
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-Mike
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A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
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OWD, I still don't c the point of your Buddhist example. Your argument for vegetarianism seems to be based on Buddhists being vegetarian.
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there are many good Buddhists who are not vegetarians. The Dalai Lama is not a vegetarian. It is true that when you eat meat, you are indirectly and partially responsible for killing a creature but the same is true when you eat vegetables (from Buddhists web site).
One who eats meat can have a pure heart just as one who does not eat meat can have an impure heart. In the Buddha's teachings, the important thing is the quality of your heart, not the contents of your diet. Many Buddhists take great care never to eat meat buy they are not concerned about being selfish, dishonest, cruel or jealous. They change their diet which is easy to do, while neglecting to change their hearts, which is a difficult thing to do. So whether you are a vegetarian or not, remember that the purification of the mind is the most important thing in Buddhism (from Buddhists web site).
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It is true that when you eat meat, you are indirectly and partially responsible for killing a creature but the same is true when you eat vegetables (from Buddhists web site).
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Late edit: OWD, I also think u are confusing vegetarians with animal liberationists.
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-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
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I live in a world of infinite possibilities.
"If you didn't like something the first time, the cud won't be any good either." --Elsie the Cow, Ruminations
"If you didn't like something the first time, the cud won't be any good either." --Elsie the Cow, Ruminations
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Any living organism that obtains its energy from organic substances produced by other organisms. All animals and fungi are heterotrophs, and they include herbivores, carnivores, and saprotrophs (those that feed on dead animal and plant material).
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the average American wouldn't eat a chimpanzee
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A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
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Aren't We Designed to Eat Meat?
Not at all. Many people say that we are meat eaters because we have sharp teeth. This is like judging a book by its cover. Look inside and you'll find out what is really going on.
Our digestive system resembles that of the herbivores and the frugivores (fruit eaters). It consists of a very long intestine allowing slow digestion of nutrients. By contrast, carnivores have a short digestive tract designed so that meat can quickly pass through the body before it putrefies and becomes toxic. To compensate for this rapid transition, carnivores have a stomach acid concentration ten times greater than that of vegetarian mammals (including humans) to enable them to quickly digest the meat.
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"If you didn't like something the first time, the cud won't be any good either." --Elsie the Cow, Ruminations
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Aren't We Designed to Eat Meat?
Not at all. Many people say that we are meat eaters because we have sharp teeth. This is like judging a book by its cover. Look inside and you'll find out what is really going on.
Our digestive system resembles that of the herbivores and the frugivores (fruit eaters). It consists of a very long intestine allowing slow digestion of nutrients. By contrast, carnivores have a short digestive tract designed so that meat can quickly pass through the body before it putrefies and becomes toxic. To compensate for this rapid transition, carnivores have a stomach acid concentration ten times greater than that of vegetarian mammals (including humans) to enable them to quickly digest the meat.
-Mike
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A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
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I don't buy your definition of 'sentience', OWD. Nor do I see why it should be a criterion.
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Various people draw the line in various places: dogs are too familiar, say, while cattle are not. Or land animals are too close, but fish are fair game. Or the Animal Kingdom is right out, but the Plant and Fungus Kingdoms are in. This latter group are called "vegetarians," but I see no objective reason to call their (our) choice better than any other place to draw this rather arbitrary line.
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Otherwise: is it OK to amputate limbs from animals and eat them? They don't have to die, after all...
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