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_VT_
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Posted:12th May 2004WTF! Sorry, I saw this and i'm so censored

pissed off right now i can't even think strait. I under stand why it was done, but since when do two wrongs make a right?

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SpitFire
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Posted:13th May 2004They won't be executed. They will be court martialed if they're found guilty....what gets me is that those who are in real positions of power might get off...Cambone and Rumsfeld. They are just as accountable as the Brigadier General.

There are 25 deaths that are under investigation. If someone murdered a prisoner, I'm not sure if they'd be subject to execution or not.

VT, the MP's in that prison were in the army, not the marines, according to CNN, and the folks who testified.

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_VT_
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Posted:13th May 2004ahh, ok. sorry for the mis-information.

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_VT_
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Posted:13th May 2004well, it seems the middle eastern news agencies are down playing it and some are makeing no mention of it at all. MSNBC

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robotface

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Posted:13th May 2004heh, al jazera had it on before american news.

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flash fire
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Posted:13th May 2004(aside: I'd just like to congratulate everyone in this discussion for keeping it civil and mature. Keep up the good work guys!)

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Spanner
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Posted:13th May 2004Quote:
if the 'guys in the army' truly believed the iraqi's 'had it coming to them' (whatever 'it' may be), they wouldn't have needed to do anything but wait.

Hey Cole,

I'd just like to point out that VT wasn't clear whether he meant the military thought Iraqis "had it coming". He may have meant the Army thought this execution had been on the cards for the Marines, given recent events. Not necessarily in a kind of rivalry, but maybe in genuine concern for their fellow soldiers.

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_VT_
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Posted:13th May 2004My confusion was on that I thought the the people doing the tortureing where the marines, but yes that was the point i was makeing. When I posted that I was a bit tippsy so I wasn't to clear on it. Like I said, sorry for the mis-info. redface

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Ade
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Posted:13th May 2004 soapbox

This issue has really got my blood boiling.

If the countries that have gone into iraq to 'liberate' its people, how in gods' name can they justify what they have done?

I dont think you can justifying torturing another human being - ever.

I am very saddened by the humiliation people have had to suffer on both sides of the stupid 'war' - it is not right.

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robotface

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Posted:13th May 2004That womans defense that she was ordered seems pretty goofy to me. Why would she be ordered to smile for the camera? It's the crapiest defense ever.

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Burzaruka

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Posted:13th May 2004Passing the buck is the only defence she has.

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robotface

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Posted:13th May 2004and when it fails like it ultimatly does, she will have dug herself deeper then if she was atleast a little honest.

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coleman
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Posted:13th May 2004spanner & vt:

i don't think i misread - i was very careful and checked that i wasn't jumping to conclusions.

this quote from vt a few posts before the one i quoted is pretty unambiguous i think:

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That's just it, they don't feel bad. They feel the iraqi's got what they had comeing to them.

'they' refers to the soldiers that abused the iraqi's, as mentioned in robotface's post, that the above quote is a reply to.

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