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_VT_
Your Face!
Location: el paso, tx
Member Since: 15th Jul 2003
Total posts: 1173
Posted:WTF! Sorry, I saw this and i'm so censored pissed off right now i can't even think strait. I under stand why it was done, but since when do two wrongs make a right?

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SpitFire
Mand's Girl....and The Not So Shy One
Location: Calgary, Alberta Canada
Member Since: 2nd Dec 2002
Total posts: 2723
Posted:They won't be executed. They will be court martialed if they're found guilty....what gets me is that those who are in real positions of power might get off...Cambone and Rumsfeld. They are just as accountable as the Brigadier General.

There are 25 deaths that are under investigation. If someone murdered a prisoner, I'm not sure if they'd be subject to execution or not.

VT, the MP's in that prison were in the army, not the marines, according to CNN, and the folks who testified.



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_VT_
Your Face!
Location: el paso, tx
Member Since: 15th Jul 2003
Total posts: 1173
Posted:ahh, ok. sorry for the mis-information.


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_VT_
Your Face!
Location: el paso, tx
Member Since: 15th Jul 2003
Total posts: 1173
Posted:well, it seems the middle eastern news agencies are down playing it and some are makeing no mention of it at all. MSNBC

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robotface
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Member Since: 2nd Apr 2004
Total posts: 190
Posted:heh, al jazera had it on before american news.

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flash fire
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Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia
Member Since: 25th Jan 2001
Total posts: 2758
Posted:(aside: I'd just like to congratulate everyone in this discussion for keeping it civil and mature. Keep up the good work guys!)

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Spanner
Spanner

remembers when it was all fields round here
Location: in the works... somewhere...
Member Since: 27th Feb 2003
Total posts: 2790
Posted:Quote:
if the 'guys in the army' truly believed the iraqi's 'had it coming to them' (whatever 'it' may be), they wouldn't have needed to do anything but wait.



Hey Cole,

I'd just like to point out that VT wasn't clear whether he meant the military thought Iraqis "had it coming". He may have meant the Army thought this execution had been on the cards for the Marines, given recent events. Not necessarily in a kind of rivalry, but maybe in genuine concern for their fellow soldiers.


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_VT_
Your Face!
Location: el paso, tx
Member Since: 15th Jul 2003
Total posts: 1173
Posted:My confusion was on that I thought the the people doing the tortureing where the marines, but yes that was the point i was makeing. When I posted that I was a bit tippsy so I wasn't to clear on it. Like I said, sorry for the mis-info. redface

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Ade
Are we there yet?
Location: australia
Member Since: 14th Mar 2001
Total posts: 1897
Posted:soapbox



This issue has really got my blood boiling.



If the countries that have gone into iraq to 'liberate' its people, how in gods' name can they justify what they have done?



I dont think you can justifying torturing another human being - ever.



I am very saddened by the humiliation people have had to suffer on both sides of the stupid 'war' - it is not right.





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robotface
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Member Since: 2nd Apr 2004
Total posts: 190
Posted:That womans defense that she was ordered seems pretty goofy to me. Why would she be ordered to smile for the camera? It's the crapiest defense ever.

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Burzaruka
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Member Since: 13th Apr 2004
Total posts: 233
Posted:Passing the buck is the only defence she has.

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robotface
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Member Since: 2nd Apr 2004
Total posts: 190
Posted:and when it fails like it ultimatly does, she will have dug herself deeper then if she was atleast a little honest.

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coleman
coleman

big and good and broken
Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay
Member Since: 29th Aug 2002
Total posts: 7330
Posted:spanner & vt:



i don't think i misread - i was very careful and checked that i wasn't jumping to conclusions.



this quote from vt a few posts before the one i quoted is pretty unambiguous i think:



Quote:
That's just it, they don't feel bad. They feel the iraqi's got what they had comeing to them.





'they' refers to the soldiers that abused the iraqi's, as mentioned in robotface's post, that the above quote is a reply to.


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